Judge says Hobby Lobby must offer BC coverage

[emmiedahl]

I think that's a great idea! Businesses can just offer insurance but not pay any part of the premium and make the employees pay 100%. I hope they all start doing that and then we'll see how well the "affordable" part holds up.

That is actually what Hobby Lobby currently does for hourly employees that make up most of their work force. They want to tell employees what they can buy with insurance that the company does not contribute to.

[Sola]

There's no interference "yet." Just as they can change other aspects of the law, they can also change that part of it.

Your tinfoil hat is showing SWL.

[luckylibrarian]

SWL, have you ever had an abnormal pap smear? I had one when I was 25. They re-did it, and luckily everything was fine. However, when I tried to purchase my own health insurance, I was denied because I'd had an abnormal pap smear, even though it came back negative the second time. I had to wait two years before I could purchase my own coverage. What would you suggest someone in that situation do? Wait it out and hope their financial livelihood isn't decimated by ovarian cancer?

Stupid troll.

[Anxious Girl]

Sorry, everybody. I forgot to put my Jigglypuff in its pokeball, then into the pss. * :oops: goes to do so now *

[emmiedahl]

To sum up how She Who Laughs and Hobby Lobby feel about economics, health care, and other social issues, just replace the word "God" in the Bible with "money".

And He said, "If you will give earnest heed to the voice of the LORD your God money, and do what is right in His money's sight, and give ear to His money's commandments, and keep all His money's statutes, I will put none of the diseases on you which I have put on the Egyptians; for I, the LORD money, am your healer.

Trust in the Lord money with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.

Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit money which is in you, whom you have from God money, and that you are not your own? For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God money in your body.

You see, money is their God.

[Witsec7]

SWL, have you ever had an abnormal pap smear? I had one when I was 25. They re-did it, and luckily everything was fine. However, when I tried to purchase my own health insurance, I was denied because I'd had an abnormal pap smear, even though it came back negative the second time. I had to wait two years before I could purchase my own coverage. What would you suggest someone in that situation do? Wait it out and hope their financial livelihood isn't decimated by ovarian cancer?

Stupid troll.

My best friend died in 1996 due to undiagnosed ovarian cancer and lack of insurance.

[formergothardite]

To sum up how She Who Laughs and Hobby Lobby feel about economics, health care, and other social issues, just replace the word "God" in the Bible with "money".

You see, money is their God.

She will just claim you are taking the Bible out of context. She has a very odd understanding of the Bible. In her Bible Jesus also teaches his followers to only be nice to people they like, screw all the people who aren't nice to them, cuss those motherfuckers out just like Jesus would.

Anyway, it still stands that they aren't being forced to go against their religious beliefs because they aren't being forced to cover abortions. So their whole claim is just stupid. So if they try and scream that they are being persecuted for their beliefs they will be lying.

[Kaylee]

I think that's a great idea! Businesses can just offer insurance but not pay any part of the premium and make the employees pay 100%. I hope they all start doing that and then we'll see how well the "affordable" part holds up.

Some already do that. My husband's former employer tried it for a while, but they didn't bother announcing it until after they'd stopped contributing and people started asking what as up because they were going to the doctor and finding out they were no longer insured. (First they covered half of a family plan, then dropped the matching part for families and only contributed for the employee, then they just stopped paying at all and didn't tell anybody). Most people dropped the insurance because they couldn't afford it. We wouldn't have been able to either, so we checked into private insurance, which I was denied repeatedly, but I was able to get insurance only because of the ACA.

I am obese (I have no weight-related health conditions and work out somewhat regularly, but that doesn't matter).

I am a leukemia survivor (7 years past full remission - 5 is typically considered "cured", or as close as it gets).

I was hospitalized for mental illness (depression & PTSD) in 2009.

I am taking medication for hypothyroidism, which is finally under control (and contributed to the depression mentioned above).

We are a family of 3 with an income around $1,600 a month, $1250 of which goes to a Chapter 13 payment composed of our mortgage and a portion of my medical bills. This is high enough that I can't get Medicaid, but barely covers the cost of food, gas, & utilities.

Tell me again where the fuck I'm supposed to find insurance I can afford under a for-profit, corporate-run system.

[doggie]

Stupid troll.

My best friend died in 1996 due to undiagnosed ovarian cancer and lack of insurance.

[Witsec7]

My best friend died in 1996 due to undiagnosed ovarian cancer and lack of insurance.

according to Romney no one died of cancer at home they just hopped into a ambulance and was taken care of.

[formergothardite]

Some already do that. My husband's former employer tried it for a while, but they didn't bother announcing it until after they'd stopped contributing and people started asking what as up because they were going to the doctor and finding out they were no longer insured. (First they covered half of a family plan, then dropped the matching part for families and only contributed for the employee, then they just stopped paying at all and didn't tell anybody). Most people dropped the insurance because they couldn't afford it. We wouldn't have been able to either, so we checked into private insurance, which I was denied repeatedly, but I was able to get insurance only because of the ACA.

I am obese (I have no weight-related health conditions and work out somewhat regularly, but that doesn't matter).

I am a leukemia survivor (7 years past full remission - 5 is typically considered "cured", or as close as it gets).

I was hospitalized for mental illness (depression & PTSD) in 2009.

I am taking medication for hypothyroidism, which is finally under control (and contributed to the depression mentioned above).

We are a family of 3 with an income around $1,600 a month, $1250 of which goes to a Chapter 13 payment composed of our mortgage and a portion of my medical bills. This is high enough that I can't get Medicaid, but barely covers the cost of food, gas, & utilities.

Tell me again where the fuck I'm supposed to find insurance I can afford under a for-profit, corporate-run system.

People like SWL and Jericho and Romney don't care about people like you. Or, pretty much people in general. But people the insurance companies would refuse to cover, they really don't care about. I guess they just want you to die.

[She Who Laughs]

Some already do that. My husband's former employer tried it for a while, but they didn't bother announcing it until after they'd stopped contributing and people started asking what as up because they were going to the doctor and finding out they were no longer insured. (First they covered half of a family plan, then dropped the matching part for families and only contributed for the employee, then they just stopped paying at all and didn't tell anybody). Most people dropped the insurance because they couldn't afford it. We wouldn't have been able to either, so we checked into private insurance, which I was denied repeatedly, but I was able to get insurance only because of the ACA.

I am obese (I have no weight-related health conditions and work out somewhat regularly, but that doesn't matter).

I am a leukemia survivor (7 years past full remission - 5 is typically considered "cured", or as close as it gets).

I was hospitalized for mental illness (depression & PTSD) in 2009.

I am taking medication for hypothyroidism, which is finally under control (and contributed to the depression mentioned above).

We are a family of 3 with an income around $1,600 a month, $1250 of which goes to a Chapter 13 payment composed of our mortgage and a portion of my medical bills. This is high enough that I can't get Medicaid, but barely covers the cost of food, gas, & utilities.

Tell me again where the fuck I'm supposed to find insurance I can afford under a for-profit, corporate-run system.

I would guess that with your income, you'll be able to get Medicaid under Obamacare.

[She Who Laughs]

Actually any business that contributes to the cost of an employees insurance under PPACA will get their usual write off for the cost plus, a tax credit, and have their cost subsidized. Folks participating in exchanges will receive subsidies to cover their side of the costs of insurance, deductibles and copays.

You wingers really need to take some time to educate yourselves regarding the PPACA, the pearl clutching isn't working for douchenozzles like you. But hey you are free to spin it until you are dizzy.

I meant we'll see how affordable it is for the employees when they have to pay 100% if the company decides not to contribute at all.

[BravaAmica]

I meant we'll see how affordable it is for the employees when they have to pay 100% if the company decides not to contribute at all.

I imagine that the Hobby Lobby staff member working 28 hours a week at, say $6.50/hour, will be eligible for Medicaid. So it'll be YOUR federal and state taxes that cover their insurance premium. :lol:

[apple1]

Any one person is one day and one diagnosis from being uninsurable under the US's traditional "health insurance" system.

One day I had no "risks" for having BC (per the Gail model scoring), and the following day I was diagnosed.

It could happen to anyone.

And (this is for the trolls) if you are uninsured and it hasn't come home to roost yet, you have just plain been incredibly lucky. Luck runs out eventually. For everyone.

[Witsec7]

I meant we'll see how affordable it is for the employees when they have to pay 100% if the company decides not to contribute at all.

Pay attention troll, read the PPACA. Citizens will all have the ability to have their ins. subsidized, as well as their deductibles/copays and prescriptions.You wingers really need to take some time to educate yourselves regarding the PPACA, the pearl clutching isn't working for douchenozzles like you. But hey you are free to spin it until you are dizzy, careful you don't spill your koolaid.

[mpheels]

I meant we'll see how affordable it is for the employees when they have to pay 100% if the company decides not to contribute at all.

The plans offered by employers cannot cost more than 9.5% of an employee's annual salary for individual coverage. If an employer offers insurance but does not pay for it, and even one employee qualifies for subsidized insurance (insurance premiums greater than 9.5% of their income), then the employer has to pay $3,000 to the benefits exchange for each subsidized employee. So yeah, Hobby Lobby and their ilk could offer without paying, but I guarantee their low wage employees will qualify for subsidized insurance in the exchanges (if not Medicaid), and HL will have to pay one way or another.

[formergothardite]

I would guess that with your income, you'll be able to get Medicaid under Obamacare.

So after you research Obamacare a little more, do you think you can get back to me on where Jesus says his followers should only be nice to people who are nice to them? Or why you don't apply the verses where he says to love(love, in the Bible also being defined as not being rude) your enemies because even the ungodly are nice to people who aren't nice to them?

I really, really bet even your non-Christian followers would like to see this whole conversation in the newsletter.

[mpheels]

I would guess that with your income, you'll be able to get Medicaid under Obamacare.

That will depend on whether or not the state chooses to expand Medicaid. It also won't be in place for another 13 months.

[Kaylee]

I would guess that with your income, you'll be able to get Medicaid under Obamacare.

But I thought people like you were opposed to Obamacare.

So, basically, I should just fuck off and die?

Gonna print that in your newsletter?

And, no, that still puts us just above the income limit. I think it might be different if we were renting, but owning a home seems to work against you the way these things are calculated (and that won't change because then neo-Cons would be bitching about people in welfare living in these huge mansions while all they have is a singlewide or some shit). I really doubt NC will expand Medicaid considering the results of the last election pushed things even more Conservative and the state's had budget issues for years.

[She Who Laughs]

But I thought people like you were opposed to Obamacare.

So, basically, I should just fuck off and die?

Gonna print that in your newsletter?

And, no, that still puts us just above the income limit. I think it might be different if we were renting, but owning a home seems to work against you the way these things are calculated (and that won't change because then neo-Cons would be bitching about people in welfare living in these huge mansions while all they have is a singlewide or some shit). I really doubt NC will expand Medicaid considering the results of the last election pushed things even more Conservative and the state's had budget issues for years.

[Sobeknofret]

And if Obamacare is so great, then you really have nothing to complain about do you? Isn't the great savior of America going to make everything all wonderful for you with his healthcare plan?

It's not about making "everything all wonderful," it's about giving the most basic care to the people who need it the most desperately. Yanno, "The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’" Like Christians are supposed to do? Remember that part of the Bible?

[She Who Laughs]

It's not about making "everything all wonderful," it's about giving the most basic care to the people who need it the most desperately. Yanno, "The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’" Like Christians are supposed to do? Remember that part of the Bible?

What does Obamacare have to do with the Bible and Christianity? Aren't you all the ones who are always crying about separation of church and state?

[OkToBeTakei]

What does Obamacare have to do with the Bible and Christianity? Aren't you all the ones who are always crying about separation of church and state?

I think it is called wanting to help your fellow man. I know this may be alien to you. Look, why don't you just take out your concealed weapon and shoot all the poor folk trying to take your money and be done with it.

[Caribou]

As a Canadian, I find the US for-profit health care system unfathomable and confusing. I certainly don’t pretend that our evil, socialist system is without flaws – there absolutely is waste and inefficiency - but to even have a discussion regarding whether or not a person is WORTHY of basic healthcare is beyond absurd.

I consider myself a fiscal conservative (on social policy I’m completely liberal) as do the majority of our friends and family but I can think of no one who feels the US system is better and that all Canadians (read: all humans in general) don’t deserve access to medical care without fear of financial hardship or bankruptcy.

It infuriates me to hear the bullshit some fear-mongers spew about the Canadian system. I’m the first to admit that for non-urgent issues our wait times can be long and inconvenient. But for preventative healthcare, I can honestly say that we have access to wonderful care (speaking on my personal experience). And for any serious/urgent care issues, our medical system is second to none. My father suffered an aortic aneurysm and my mother dealt with breast cancer for 17 years. Both received care that was first rate in all areas.

Oh, and contrary to popular belief, we don’t have death-panels.

I fervently believe that everyone deserves healthcare and have no issue paying higher taxes to ensure it is available to all Canadians.