(CW: Possible CSA) Josh & Anna 38: Can't Believe I'm Typing This, but YAY Bobye Holt

[OMG]

Just now, EmCatlyn said:

Ah, but do you remember that OJ set up a hotline and offered a reward for information leading to the killer?  😉 They tried!  

Oh, right! I had forgotten that. I wonder if they got any calls..? What a travesty of justice that trial was. Let's hope this one gets it right.

[EmCatlyn]

Since we all need a little snark around now, I want to report that when asked about the partition and Tor, Josh claimed that he used Tor to sell cars.

Yeah, if you want to sell a car, the best way is to do so anonymously.  😉

[OMG]

Color me late but what would some of you recommend for sites to follow re: trial updates? I'm aware The Sun has a running blog but is there any where else that is more accurate and/or informative? Sorry for being annoying....

[Not that josh's mom]

It doesn't matter to Anna what is on the child porn videos. She doesn't believe Josh downloaded them. If someone else downloaded and watched them, that truly means nothing to her. If the prosecution can prove it and he's found guilty, she still will believe he's been framed. Nothing will convince her and she'll be waiting when he gets out.

 

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[MaryOrMartha]

9 minutes ago, OMG said:

Color me late but what would some of you recommend for sites to follow re: trial updates? I'm aware The Sun has a running blog but is there any where else that is more accurate and/or informative? Sorry for being annoying....

I second this. I want to keep up, but unfortunately am not able to read a billion pages right now.

[OMG]

2 minutes ago, MaryOrMartha said:

I second this. I want to keep up, but unfortunately am not able to read a billion pages right now.

I suppose if we were patient enough to wait, a Lifetime Movie will be produced eventually. But I kinda want to know what's going on NOW.

[arareyeah]

Wait, I just read the BuzzFeed article

Spoiler

Could it be they were mistaken? They only made corrections on the part about the CSA materials.

Edited December 2, 2021 by dawbs
redacting names of possible abuse victims.

[indianabones]

The Redditor who is at the trial wrote that only the jurors viewed the CSAM- they each had an individual screen. Even if Anna had stayed (it sounds like she was escorted out by a lawyer well before the videos were shown, rather than "fleeing" the courtroom as some sources reported) she wouldn't have seen it.

The defense is arguing that since Josh's router wasn't password protected someone at the neighboring McDonalds could have downloaded the CSAM. Which makes no sense, of course.

[EmmieJ]

1 hour ago, Bluebirdbluebell said:

Many people have brown eyes and aren't filled with shit.

I agree she makes up too much. I dislike the way she tries to write the narratives among the other 18 kids.

It's a saying, not a jab at brown-eyed people.  One of my friend's mom used to say it when she thought my friend was bullshitting her.  "You're so full of bullshit, it's reached your eyes!". I don't use the phrase but I've heard others do so.

[Antimony]

5 minutes ago, indianabones said:

The Redditor who is at the trial wrote that only the jurors viewed the CSAM- they each had an individual screen. Even if Anna had stayed (it sounds like she was escorted out by a lawyer well before the videos were shown, rather than "fleeing" the courtroom as some sources reported) she wouldn't have seen it.

The defense is arguing that since Josh's router wasn't password protected someone at the neighboring McDonalds could have downloaded the CSAM. Which makes no sense, of course.

I'm tempted to map out the mileage between the McDs and the Car Shack because that'd be an impressive wifi signal (and also wouldn't magically put the downloads on Josh's computer but...you know.)

[nokidsmom]

1 hour ago, Bassett Lady said:

So, this is the best defense money can buy? 
 

I think Jim Bob is OVERPAYING for this legal team, even if he got a Groupon .

It might be the best defense JB could buy....after being turned down by other attorneys who didn't want to touch this case.  Don't know for sure but I wouldn't be surprised if some attorneys he contacted said no.

[duggerme]

Lots of comments on Bobye Holts FB- mostly supportive, but a few folks calling her out for not having done more, years ago.  She responds that they have been “misinformed”.  She hasn’t (yet) gone private or blocked comments.

Fundie Wonderland on FB has a running synopsis of the trial that has been concise and updated regularly.

 

[QuiverFullofBooks]

15 minutes ago, nokidsmom said:

It might be the best defense JB could buy....after being turned down by other attorneys who didn't want to touch this case.  Don't know for sure but I wouldn't be surprised if some attorneys he contacted said no.

Isn’t Justin Gelfand JB’s usual attorney? Does he actually have any experience with criminal work?

[EvilAthiest]

26 minutes ago, Not that josh's mom said:

It doesn't matter to Anna what is on the child porn videos. She doesn't believe Josh downloaded them. If someone else downloaded and watched them, that truly means nothing to her. If the prosecution can prove it and he's found guilty, she still will believe he's been framed. Nothing will convince her and she'll be waiting when he gets out.

 

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I truly don’t understand how Anna can not believe it’s possible that Josh did this.  Not after everything she already knows about him.

She knows he repeatedly molested his younger sisters.  She knows he went on Ashley Madison to find random people to have sex with and cheat on her with.  She knows he admitted to a porn addiction.  She even had to monitor his computer usage with Covenant Eyes.  Somewhere in the back of her brainwashed mind, she has got to know it’s a possibility that he did this too.  

She may not want to admit it, even to herself.  She may think God is testing her and requires her to stand by him.  She may be frightened about what will become of her and her children if she ever spoke a word of doubt, and the Duggar’s found out.  But somewhere inside of her, I believe she has to have at least an inkling that this could all be true.  

It would be difficult for anyone to realize they are married to a disgusting piece of 💩 who gets off on children being violated.  It would be hard for almost anybody to accept that.  Even more so for someone who’s entire life has been spent in a cult, and who’s entire identity is being his wife and broodmare.  But I think she has got to realize, after everything she already knows about her husband, that it is possible that Josh did this - even if she will never admit it to anybody.

She’s been brainwashed, but not lobotomized.

[Anne Of Gray Gables]

16 minutes ago, QuiverFullofBooks said:

Isn’t Justin Gelfand JB’s usual attorney? Does he actually have any experience with criminal work?

He's the federal attorney - used to be a prosecutor.

Travis Story is the Duggar house attorney.

[3KidsAndStopped]

I have read from a few sources Anna left the room before the CSA footage was shown, but not before it was described. If this trial does not wake Anna up, nothing will. 

Also read that Josh made a quip about CSA when the police originally raided the car lot. Disgusting.

Edited December 2, 2021 by 3KidsAndStopped

[Dominionatrix]

For those asking for sources, the local Northwest Arkansas news outlet has the most detailed reporting of the trial that I’ve seen from a credible source, and they seem to be the source of a lot of other reports:

 

https://www.nwahomepage.com

[usmcmom]

2 hours ago, Bassett Lady said:

So, this is the best defense money can buy? 
 

I think Jim Bob is OVERPAYING for this legal team, even if he got a Groupon .

“Buy used and save the difference.” 

[SassyPants]

59 minutes ago, indianabones said:

The Redditor who is at the trial wrote that only the jurors viewed the CSAM- they each had an individual screen. Even if Anna had stayed (it sounds like she was escorted out by a lawyer well before the videos were shown, rather than "fleeing" the courtroom as some sources reported) she wouldn't have seen it.

The defense is arguing that since Josh's router wasn't password protected someone at the neighboring McDonalds could have downloaded the CSAM. Which makes no sense, of course.

Sure, you can bootleg Wi-Fi, but it doesn’t download info/sites etc to a computer from the site where you are bootlegging from. I could never be a defense attorney. They must charge exorbitant rates to say the BS that they shovel. Could it be worth it? Sounds soul sucking.

Edited December 2, 2021 by SassyPants

[EmCatlyn]

The Redditor who has been attending court also had an account of interaction between Derick and Josh.  The Redditor, who was a row behind Derick, reports that Josh walked in with Anna after the break and went back to shake Derick’s hand and jokingly said “Nice to meet you.”  🙄 Then Anna apparently chatted a bit with Derick.

So apparently the reports that Derick was talking to Anna were correct, but the contact was initiated by Josh!  

[dawbs]

Alrighty, I shouldn't have to say this, but we at FJ DO NOT SPECULATE ON THE IDENTITY OF ABUSE VICTIMS.

If people have come forward, it can be openly discussed. 

If the rest of the internet speculates on a victim's identity, but the victim themselves has not come forward, well, we don't boss around the rest of the internet, but we will not name names on FJ; we respect the privacy of abuse victims who have chosen not to be public.

So discuss without naming names. 

[16strong]

1 hour ago, EmCatlyn said:

Since we all need a little snark around now, I want to report that when asked about the partition and Tor, Josh claimed that he used Tor to sell cars.

Yeah, if you want to sell a car, the best way is to do so anonymously.  😉

But add to that his easy to guess passwords. Wasn't one his own name? If he was so concerned with security, wouldn't he have used more secure passwords? 🤔

[feministxtian]

2 minutes ago, SassyPants said:

Sure, you can bootleg Wi-Fi, but it doesn’t download info/sites etc to a computer from the site where you are bootlegging from. I could never be a defense attorney. They must charge exorbitant rates to say the BS that they shovel. Could it be worth it? Sounds soul sucking.

how stupid are these people? You can't "bootleg" WiFi and make it download to another computer...especially if you're on a phone. IF I remember right, most WiFi routers cover roughly a 100ft diameter area, so I can like access my router from my car but that's about the edge of it. I know how that all works, in a rudimentary way, but it seems even I know more than they do. Grasping at straws? Can we just send this to the jury now? The "defense team" is really reaching for the absurd now. 

[Anne Of Gray Gables]

1 hour ago, Antimony said:

I'm tempted to map out the mileage between the McDs and the Car Shack because that'd be an impressive wifi signal (and also wouldn't magically put the downloads on Josh's computer but...you know.)

There is/was no neighboring restaurant to the Wreck Shack. 

Things can't be going well for the pest if the defense is claiming "It must have been some guy at McDonalds!". 

[QuiverFullOfCondoms]

Did Pedophile Josh Duggar get to see the CSAM?