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Kristen Nicole Young

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Kristen Young is the close friend of Jessa Duggar and Sierra Dominguez. Kristen’s baby shower for her first child was heavily featured on an episode of Counting On. 
 

 

Kristen frequently posts about Christianity, natural remedies, mission trips, her two (soon to be three) children, and her husband’s struggle with alcoholism. She is anti-vax and has a separate Instagram where she shills for free products that have a “mission.” Kristen is also a blogger.

https://instagram.com/thecausecommunity?igshid=1kn0ug9r19u7h
 

Currently her family is battling the flu virus and instead of considering vaccinations she is sharing “natural remedies” as an alternative. 

I find Kristen to be at least as equally as annoying as Sierra and potentially more damaging than Jessa due to her promotion of anti vaccine propaganda. I figured it was time she have her own topic.

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purple_summer

I always wonder if anti vaxers realize that people....die....from the flu....relatively often????

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catlady

Screw you and your oregano oil, Kirsten Young.  An eleven-year-old kid in my city died less than two weeks ago from the flu (I can't link the articles due to a paywall, but several have been published in the local paper since this poor child passed away).  Kristen is an idiot, and definitely dangerous.

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blackkatya
23 minutes ago, purple_summer said:

I always wonder if anti vaxers realize that people....die....from the flu....relatively often????

Yep. A HS classmate of mine died a couple months ago. Left work on a Friday, said he wasn’t feeling well, and was found dead in his apartment on a Monday. Autopsy determined he died from influenza. Otherwise healthy 29 year old.

The flu is scary stuff.

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quiversR4hunting

I am SO sick of hearing about Elderberry syrup. Per Penn State medical center The bolding was in the article. I made part of the text red. People just take these stupid herbal remedies without looking at what it might also do to other medical issues they may have. 

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If you are being treated with any of the following medications, you should talk to your health care provider before taking elderberry:

Diuretics (water pills). Diuretics help the body get rid of excess fluid and increase the amount of urine your body makes. Elderberry may also act as a diuretic, so taking it along with a diuretic could make that drug stronger and raise your risk of dehydration. Diuretics include:

  • Hydrochlorothiazide 
  • Bumetanide (Burinex)
  • Furosemide (Lasix)
  • Amiloride (Midamor)
  • Metolazone (Zaroxolyn)

Diabetes medications. Elderberry may lower blood sugar levels. If you are also taking drugs for diabetes, taking elderberry may increase your risk of developing hypoglycemia, or low blood sugar.

Chemotherapy. Elderberry may interact with some chemotherapy drugs. If you are undergoing chemotherapy, ask your oncologist before taking any herb or supplement.

Laxatives. Elderberry may act like a laxative and should not be taken at the same time as other laxatives.

Theophylline (TheoDur). Elderberry may reduce levels of theophylline, a drug taken for asthma and other respiratory conditions. That could make the drug not work as well.

Drugs that suppress the immune system. Because elderberry may stimulate the immune system, it could interfere with medications taken to suppress the immune system. These medications include corticosteroids (prednisone) and medications used to treat autoimmune diseases. People with organ transplants should also avoid elderberry.

 

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OhNoNike

Sawbones (the podcast) did an episode on this recently. It’s my small “yay” because I actually wrote to them to ask about it and my name is one of the ones they read as a person who’d asked. Haha. (Among many names). They basically said a study of a very small number of people said it may alleviate the symptoms somewhat but obviously wouldn’t protect anyone against it, etc.  The number of People who suggested it when a family number was ill was staggering, and I’m not on social media.  

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28 minutes ago, quiversR4hunting said:

I am SO sick of hearing about Elderberry syrup. Per Penn State medical center The bolding was in the article. I made part of the text red. People just take these stupid herbal remedies without looking at what it might also do to other medical issues they may have. 

 

I remember drinking an elderberry tea that was delicious but I definitely still got sick that winter. 

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Seculardaisy
2 hours ago, purple_summer said:

I always wonder if anti vaxers realize that people....die....from the flu....relatively often????

I know people who are pro vaccinations and somehow still anti flu shot. It’s so absurd and scary to me. I’m always petrified of my children getting the flu and we vaccinate for it as soon as we are able to each year. The flu is so much more deadly than people seem to realize.

Kristen has a photo of her teeny daughter lying sick on the couch in her stories and all I can think of is how that poor kid isn’t likely being medically treated in any way and instead is drinking some homeopathic BS.

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NakedKnees

I've never heard of Elderberry, but is it related to Elderflower? That has such an incredible flavor. I've had elderflower lemonade a few times, St. Germaine's liquor is well. So tasty.

Something that gets me about folks who attempt to replace institutional/"normal" western medicine with herbal remedies is just how much time they must be pouring into researching and learning. You'd think that same time commitment could be spent learning about the traditional medicinal treatments as well... but nooooo.

Glad Kristen has her own thread. The Duggar-adjacents are more interesting to follow than the Duggars themselves, these days.

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Maggie Mae
18 minutes ago, NakedKnees said:

I've never heard of Elderberry, but is it related to Elderflower? That has such an incredible flavor. I've had elderflower lemonade a few times, St. Germaine's liquor is well. So tasty.

Elderberries and elder flowers are from the same plant. Don't eat Elderberries raw, you will get sick.

 

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Bad Wolf

Elderberry wine is good. I've had elderflower  cordial, also good. I also got my flu shot, though I read it might be the wrong one for this year 's flu strain.

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42 minutes ago, Seculardaisy said:

I know people who are pro vaccinations and somehow still anti flu shot. It’s so absurd and scary to me. I’m always petrified of my children getting the flu and we vaccinate for it as soon as we are able to each year. The flu is so much more deadly than people seem to realize

In my country anti-vax is a minority. Authories are very pro-vaccination. But the flu shots are only for elders and immunodepressed people or those who work in hospitals. 

I see US parents much more worried about flu than Spanish ones and I wonder if the flu virus is harder in US. I know several people who work hospitals and doctor offices and they aren't specially worried about the flu (they are worried because flu means being 1 week ill, but there's not a deep fear for their kids). 

Also, doctors say that the flu virus changes a lot and some years, the shot is not useful at all, but they cannot know in advance, so elders got the shots just in case.

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adidas

Elderflower syrup is awesome - add a bit of gin, soda water and lemon wedges for a refreshing summer drink. And get your flu shot.

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7 minutes ago, Melissa1977 said:

In my country anti-vax is a minority. Authories are very pro-vaccination. But the flu shots are only for elders and immunodepressed people or those who work in hospitals. 

I see US parents much more worried about flu than Spanish ones and I wonder if the flu virus is harder in US. I know several people who work hospitals and doctor offices and they aren't specially worried about the flu (they are worried because flu means being 1 week ill, but there's not a deep fear for their kids). 

Also, doctors say that the flu virus changes a lot and some years, the shot is not useful at all, but they cannot know in advance, so elders got the shots just in case.

I worry a lot about vaccine preventable diseases here in the US because there are so many antivax people in this country and they are often very loud and very ignorant. Being antivax is a minority here. But there are enough to cause herd immunity to go down and we are dealing with measles and flu. Almost everyone has access to vaccines here. It’s ridiculous that so many choose not to.

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Well I’m very embarrassed. I didn’t know elderberry could flare up asthma. We ARE vaccinated, but my mother in law got us these elderberry gummies to go with the kids vitamins for ‘cold season’ and I didn’t think anything of it basically thinking it’s probably a placebo... but they taste good and make her happy that I’m using them... well my son does have mild asthma and he’s having his worst winter in years with it. I’m so embarrassed. I didn’t even think to read up on them. Thank you for the info:(

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Peaches-n-Beans
6 hours ago, purple_summer said:

I always wonder if anti vaxers realize that people....die....from the flu....relatively often????

Normal people don't realize this. We have the first case of Wuhan Coronavirus in my country right now and about everyone on this goddamned military base and their mother was freaking out about it. 201 people have it and 3 have died. That is NOTHING compared to the flu. Not to mention this particular strain of coronavirus is only transmissible from animal - to - person at the moment. Never mind that half the elementary school has the flu. No no we definitely need to worry about the one person in quarantine 100 kilometers away. 

People underestimating the severity of the flu infuriates me because it feeds into this antivaxxer narrative that diseases we vaccinate against aren't dangerous. 

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And don't you just love the people who get intestinal/stomach flu and say "those flu shots are useless. I still got the flu"?

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8 minutes ago, Not that josh's mom said:

And don't you just love the people who get intestinal/stomach flu and say "those flu shots are useless. I still got the flu"?

Sorry for my ignorance...I was given the mandatory vaccinations....but I was told the flu vaccine is useless because you still get the flu. Is this not true?

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10 minutes ago, meep said:

Sorry for my ignorance...I was given the mandatory vaccinations....but I was told the flu vaccine is useless because you still get the flu. Is this not true?

There are several different strains of the influenza virus, and it tends to mutate. When making the vaccine, manufacturers have to try and figure out which strains will be most prevalent for that year. So it's still possible to still catch the flu even after having the vaccine, if the strain you got is different than the one the vaccine was designed to protect against. Another thing to note, even if you do get sick, having the vaccine does help reduce the length and severity of the symptoms.

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5 hours ago, NakedKnees said:

I've never heard of Elderberry, but is it related to Elderflower? That has such an incredible flavor. I've had elderflower lemonade a few times, St. Germaine's liquor is well. So tasty.

Something that gets me about folks who attempt to replace institutional/"normal" western medicine with herbal remedies is just how much time they must be pouring into researching and learning. You'd think that same time commitment could be spent learning about the traditional medicinal treatments as well... but nooooo.

Glad Kristen has her own thread. The Duggar-adjacents are more interesting to follow than the Duggars themselves, these days.

I don’t think they pour hours over research, they watch a movie, read a blog talk to other anti vaxers and bob’s ya uncle they are experts. 
If they did proper research they would prove themselves wrong 

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JermajestyDuggar

“Stomach flu” isn’t actually influenza. It’s just what people call a stomach virus. It makes things incredibly confusing when talking about the actual flu. 

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4 minutes ago, AussieKrissy said:

I don’t think they pour hours over research, they watch a movie, read a blog talk to other anti vaxers and bob’s ya uncle they are experts. 
If they did proper research they would prove themselves wrong 

Face it, Fundies are NOT terribly deep thinkers, they're intellectually lazy because God forbid something challenges their beliefs. 

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Peaches-n-Beans
28 minutes ago, meep said:

Sorry for my ignorance...I was given the mandatory vaccinations....but I was told the flu vaccine is useless because you still get the flu. Is this not true?

It's not. You can still get a different strain of the flu, though it does lessen the time and severity of the flu if you do get it, which saves lives. Also contrary to popular myth you cannot get the flu from the flu vaccine. Flu vaccines are often given at times when people are more likely to get sick, and when they get sick they go to a clinic, where many people receive the vaccine, so if you happen to get sick after getting the flu shot it is not in fact from the shot itself. The shot has a neutralized virus, the mist does have a live virus and thus can give you the flu but it's not terribly likely unless you're immune compromised. 

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2 hours ago, Peaches-n-Beans said:

Not to mention this particular strain of coronavirus is onlytransmissible from animal - to - person 

If you are talking about the new coronavirus that has originated in China, bad news they've confirmed person-to-person transmission.

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/person-to-person-spread-of-novel-coronavirus-confirmed-in-china--66995

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Peaches-n-Beans
Just now, WiseGirl said:

If you are talking about the new coronavirus that has originated in China, bad news they've confirmed person-to-person transmission.

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/person-to-person-spread-of-novel-coronavirus-confirmed-in-china--66995

Well that sucks, my info was a few days old though. Person- to-Person makes it a bigger problem 😕 
 

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