Gwen Shamblin 2: Divorce? What Divorce?

[Briefly]

Just now, JermajestyDuggar said:

I admit that I would buy any fundie material I see in a thrift store. I never find it in the thrift stores though. Let’s hope most of it is in a landfill somewhere. 

I would have bought it, but the budget is a little thin.  We each have a small amount we call our allowance or play money and I'd spent most of mine already!  So I did what I could to protect people.  I have found a few fundy things before but not a lot. My daughter is also on the lookout for it, for the same reason.

[SJWaterford]

1 hour ago, Briefly said:

I would have bought it, but the budget is a little thin.  We each have a small amount we call our allowance or play money and I'd spent most of mine already!  So I did what I could to protect people.  I have found a few fundy things before but not a lot. My daughter is also on the lookout for it, for the same reason.

I'll go buy it! There's a lot of ammunition in those books.

[SilverBeach]

15 hours ago, SJWaterford said:

I credit him for getting me and my husband on the same page about our finances. But I too stopped listening to him on the radio when he started getting snarky and kind of unfeeling(prob old age). 

Uh, old age has nothing to do with it. No to ageism!

[sajetime]

Before being photographed for her Remnant Fellowship Weddings page, a recent Remnant bride had a far less flattering photo taken last year.

A mug shot.

https://bustednewspaper.com/tn-williamson-karlee-beld-2017-05-05-150000/

[quiversR4hunting]

20 minutes ago, sajetime said:

Before being photographed for her Remnant Fellowship Weddings page, a recent Remnant bride had a far less flattering photo taken last year.

A mug shot.

https://bustednewspaper.com/tn-williamson-karlee-beld-2017-05-05-150000/

interesting. So there are a multitude of reasons people steal (poverty, thrill, entitled, etc.) The reason she is interesting to me is because Remnant is so "shiny" and has a "rich" (veneer) vibe that I wonder what this young ladies motivation was for her crime.

[LouisvilleGirl]

18 minutes ago, quiversR4hunting said:

interesting. So there are a multitude of reasons people steal (poverty, thrill, entitled, etc.) The reason she is interesting to me is because Remnant is so "shiny" and has a "rich" (veneer) vibe that I wonder what this young ladies motivation was for her crime.

She was probably hungry and stealing food!!!

[SJWaterford]

3 hours ago, sajetime said:

Before being photographed for her Remnant Fellowship Weddings page, a recent Remnant bride had a far less flattering photo taken last year.

A mug shot.

https://bustednewspaper.com/tn-williamson-karlee-beld-2017-05-05-150000/

http://remnantfellowshipweddings.com/beld-gallardo-wedding/

And then you can see what she wrote regarding how Gwen helped her, how wicked her teenage years were(even tho she grew up in the church). I do not take any pleasure putting the spotlight on her. It just goes to show that they are as flawed as anyone else just trying to figure life out. God or religion or Gwen Shamblin cannot keep you from being human.

19 hours ago, SilverBeach said:

Uh, old age has nothing to do with it. No to ageism!

Ok! Sorry Dave Ramsey for suggesting your loss of patience with the financially challenged had anything to do with your age. All I know is that as I get more mature in years, I def have a less patience. ?

[Briefly]

22 hours ago, SJWaterford said:

I'll go buy it! There's a lot of ammunition in those books.

It's the VHS set and is at a thrift in Tulsa.  If I get a chance to get back there and they still have it, I probably will go ahead and get it.  I did what I could, though, and hid it.

[sajetime]

3 hours ago, SJWaterford said:

 I do not take any pleasure putting the spotlight on her. It just goes to show that they are as flawed as anyone else just trying to figure life out. God or religion or Gwen Shamblin cannot keep you from being human.

 

Precisely. It shows that Remnant — and their children — are not perfect, sinless and flawless as they pretend. The kids and teens who grow up in what they call “Zion”  (as this girl did since she was 4 years old) have their problems too. The congregation is no different than that of worldly churches — just thinner (at least those who are allowed to attend).

[SilverBeach]

4 hours ago, SJWaterford said:

All I know is that as I get more mature in years, I def have a less patience. ?

I never had much patience! If anything, I may have chilled a bit in my "mature" years. A bit. A little bit. A tiny bit.

[Observer]

8 hours ago, sajetime said:

Before being photographed for her Remnant Fellowship Weddings page, a recent Remnant bride had a far less flattering photo taken last year.

A mug shot.

https://bustednewspaper.com/tn-williamson-karlee-beld-2017-05-05-150000/

Wow. You say you take no pleasure. So what is the point? Take it down. She is just a human being.

[MarblesMom]

@Observer People here post truths others want closeted. 

Might want to put on your Big Girl Pants....  people here are blunt, cite sources, and are direct.

 

[zee_four]

On ‎9‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 5:10 AM, SJWaterford said:

Just wantedWell I can attest to the MTSU thing. My child emphatically did not want to go there until the horny boy in the cult got ahold of her. I know there is at least one member who is a professor there. And they have a creepy campus club. 

How could a non-profit prohibit anyone from canceling a membership? Seems like that would be a contradiction in helping people. Even the gym and Fabletics lets me cancel my membership whenever I want(they make it difficult as hell but I can). The IRS could have a heyday I think on so many levels of wrong in this whole situation. 

If she has a complex about being copied, I saw several woman at the courthouse with her whose hair was aspiring to be like Gwen's! And I walked into a car maintenance place and the woman at the desk looked Gwen-like and so I knew they had to be buddies(I already knew they were Remnant before I walked in).  LOL   And looks like she and Joe copied the Day's in regards to the black Tesla. 

Just wanted to say ❤️ your username, I ❤️ the Handmaid's Tale SOOOO much!!!

[sajetime]

8 hours ago, Observer said:

Wow. You say you take no pleasure. So what is the point? Take it down. She is just a human being.

1. It is a matter of public record. So even if it was taken down here, it’s still available out there. The church has a team devoted to its Internet image called “Truth Rises to the Top,” and this is merely that — truth. 

2. She was not a child; she was 19. (And while that’s a young age, note that she was married in the church a year later — so at least by Remnant standards, she should have been mature.)

3. The point is revealing that Remnant Fellowship — for all its claims of  obedient, under-authority children and “good fruit” — does have its share of bad apples from time to time too. (And I’m *not* calling this girl bad; a choice to steal is.)

[formergothardite]

8 hours ago, Observer said:

Wow. You say you take no pleasure. So what is the point? Take it down. She is just a human being.

A human being who was raised in RF and still didn't end up that perfect shiny fruit that Gwen likes to brag about. Of course, Gewn is now shown to lie about very important things that would scuff her perfect image so who knows what else is sh is hiding. 

Gwen likes to act like she has found the One True Way that will churn out near perfect people, but obviously she hasn't. RF folks are just as flawed as the rest of us, some of them even more flawed. 

[Pandora Spocks]

8 hours ago, Observer said:

Wow. You say you take no pleasure. So what is the point? Take it down. She is just a human being.

Yeah, that's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

[SJWaterford]

18 hours ago, Observer said:

Wow. You say you take no pleasure. So what is the point? Take it down. She is just a human being.

Well she belongs to the place that started this shit storm with my family, so now they got me. No mercy from me until I'm in the ground or they are out of business. I didn't ask to be associated with them or want to be. They intruded on my family, taught my daughter to be deceitful and lie to us in order to recruit her. They should be more selective about the potential risks associated with recruiting teenagers with "crazy" moms. 

 

That must be one of those spies on here. 

[LovelyLuna]

11 hours ago, Pandora Spocks said:

Yeah, that's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

a good friend of mine asked why I Free Jinger.  I thought about it and told her, along with discussing the dangers of religious fundamentalism, because I can be a rough and tumble snarky assed bitch.  I need an outlet because you can't be that way around humans in real life.  Big girl/boy panties are required. 

[Hane]

A while back, I wandered into the RF Weddings site and noticed an interracial couple. For a minute I was glad—“At least RF doesn’t seem to be racist!”—but then noticed that the primary thing posted about them was how much weight the two of them had lost there. Nothing about their jobs, families, interests, as I recall—just weight loss and how fabulous Gwen is.

[sajetime]

Another Remnant member mug shot from last year. He’s been a member since his youth and he and members of his family have appeared in a couple of the WD class videos speaking about the fruit of the message.

https://bustednewspaper.com/tn-williamson-blake-zanoni-2017-05-18-144500/

Again, the purpose of pointing out these matters of public record is not to pick on or embarrass anyone. It’s to show that Remnant members are not faultless. Children who grow up in the message have issues too. So to anyone out there considering packing up your life to move closer to the only “true church,” consider this truth too.

And with regards to alcohol, here might be a decent place to share that Gwen is not a supporter of AA and other recovery plans — other than her own (Strongholds class). She does not regard alcoholism as a disease; she thinks being able to drink moderately in all cases is simply a matter of hearing and obeying God’s voice. Oversimplification much?

 

[SJWaterford]

2 hours ago, sajetime said:

Another Remnant member mug shot from last year. He’s been a member since his youth and he and members of his family have appeared in a couple of the WD class videos speaking about the fruit of the message.

https://bustednewspaper.com/tn-williamson-blake-zanoni-2017-05-18-144500/

Again, the purpose of pointing out these matters of public record is not to pick on or embarrass anyone. It’s to show that Remnant members are not faultless. Children who grow up in the message have issues too. So to anyone out there considering packing up your life to move closer to the only “true church,” consider this truth too.

And with regards to alcohol, here might be a decent place to share that Gwen is not a supporter of AA and other recovery plans — other than her own (Strongholds class). She does not regard alcoholism as a disease; she thinks being able to drink moderately in all cases is simply a matter of hearing and obeying God’s voice. Oversimplification much?

 

I hear they are quite the drinkers over there. I wonder if there is a wine store owned by someone at Remnant?

[sajetime]

1 hour ago, SJWaterford said:

I hear they are quite the drinkers over there. I wonder if there is a wine store owned by someone at Remnant?

That I don’t know. But I do know that leaders Tedd and Candace Anger have started some side hustle called Rare Wine Specialists where they locate rare wines and find buyers; they host wine tastings and such. Drinking is definitely part of the Remnant (viti)culture

[Pandora Spocks]

6 hours ago, sajetime said:

She does not regard alcoholism as a disease; she thinks being able to drink moderately in all cases is simply a matter of hearing and obeying God’s voice. Oversimplification much

Consistent with her general denial of mental illness. People who deny mental illness and their often comorbid friends substance abuse and alcohol abuse really make me ragey. Hairiumus Excessus really makes me ragey.

[LovelyLuna]

do they count the calories in alcohol?  I’d much rather eat 300 calories then drink them, but we have established that Gwenny and I wouldn’t see eye to eye on anything.  I salute their livers for being able to handle that.

[WorseThan1Thinks]

4 hours ago, SJWaterford said:

I hear they are quite the drinkers over there. I wonder if there is a wine store owned by someone at Remnant?

Remnant certainly has more than their fair share of members with alcohol abuse issues.  They are plentiful.

I've been out of town so I'll try to add to a number of comments the past week without quoting them all.

So Karlee (Beld) Gallardo was charged with retail theft last year.  Teenagers (or adults) making mistakes are nothing new.  But the reason why this is different and deserves to be mentioned is because Remnant pounds it in member and prospective member heads, that the people here are different.  They slam all other churches for their imperfect people, and convey themselves as the opposite.  Their whole marketing technique is selling how Remnant is a panacea.  Where life is beautiful and the people are beautiful and there's "no place on Earth I'd rather be".  Remnant is BIG on testimonies.  Let take a look at part of Karlee's:

http://remnantfellowshipweddings.com/beld-gallardo-wedding/

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"My parents first introduced me to Remnant Fellowship when I was just 4 years old in 2002. I cannot believe that I have gotten to spend these last 16 years growing up in a place like this one that has completely changed my life for the better.  "

"Growing up I hit a low point during my teenage years, I was often very depressed, and began to love praise of man. "

 

But wait, didn't you grow up in Remnant? 

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And with that, I also became very self–focused and wanted everyone to look at me. 

Just like Gwen.  Maybe that's where you got that from?

Karlees's new husband Jordan was the brother of Jake Gallardo who committed suicide this spring.  Like Karlee and Jordan, Jake Gallardo basically grew up in Remnant too.    

So Jordan has a wife who was busted for retail theft and a brother who committed suicide.  That's 'the fruit' Remnant speaks of that poor Jordan has to live with.

I wish Karlee the best of luck in life, I really do.  And one arrest for retail theft doesn't and shouldn't ruin her life.  But Remnant does.  I hope she and her new husband find their way out of this cult.

Don't confuse Jake Gallardo with the other Jake who grew up in Remnant that also committed suicide this spring.  The other Jake was Jake Gormsen.

Here is Jake Gormsen's mug shot if someone is making a collection.  Another DUI.  

https://bustednewspaper.com/tn-williamson-jacob-gormsen-2017-04-12-014500/

By all means may he rest in peace, but it's public record that Jake Gormsen and Jake's younger brother where both passed out drunk in a car.  So a top leader of Remnant has two of his children passed out drunk in a car, breaking the law.  There's more 'fruit' for you.

What's also interesting is how this DUI case was appealed.  As if they wanted this off his record.  Their asinine reason for the appeal was the cop didn't have probable cause to interact with them passed out in a parked, running car.  The court denied the appeal.

https://cases.justia.com/tennessee/court-of-criminal-appeals/2015-m2014-01731-cca-r3-cd.pdf?ts=1446398798

Two small excepts:

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The defendant, Jacob Dale Gormsen, pled guilty to one count of driving under the influence, a Class A misdemeanor, in violation of Tennessee Code Annotated section 55- 10-401 (2010). He reserved a certified question challenging the trial court‟s denial of his motion to suppress. 

 

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Here, Officer Boyd observed a car which was stopped in the roadway of a deadend residential street at around 3:51 a.m. The car‟s brake lights were illuminated, and all four tires were in the roadway. When Officer Boyd approached the vehicle, he noticed it was running. However, both the driver and the passenger were slumped over and unconscious. Attempts to rouse the defendant verbally failed. So did an attempt to rouse the defendant by shining a bright strobe light in his eyes. When Officer Boyd shouted “hey” at the defendant, the defendant opened his eyes, gave Officer Boyd a “blank” look, and shut his eyes again. The defendant‟s eyes were bloodshot. Officer Boyd shook the defendant to wake him. The defendant began to mumble, and Officer Boyd described the defendant‟s speech as slurred.

   

Why didn't they just take responsibility for being drunk instead of try to hide behind some loophole?  Perception!!  Remnant is all perception.  They didn't want a leader's son to have a record.

 

So just in this thread so far Remnant members include murderers, a thief, multiple cases of tragic suicide, multiple cases of DUIs, and underage drinking. 

But "Look at the fruit" (I've heard that more times than I can count.)  Look at their weight loss.

What is harder to see is the non-public, but very real, things that happen behind closed doors.  Adultery, ruined marriages, split families, stress on members to get fat off their thighs or face the wrath of God, etc.  

What I'm trying to show is that this is just a small sample of what's out there.  How much more bad fruit is there behind closed doors?  A ton.  They just hide it behind glitz and glamour.

This cult is nothing but bad news, but with the prettiest pictures.