Dillards 49: Dull Dillards Dulling

[Crazy Enough to Join]

Personally I think Jill's nose ring and pants and henna was a way to get attention from her family and social media since she knows she won't be able to get attention by having the most pregnancies of any Duggar daughter. And in the Duggar family, that is how you get attention, by being pregnant. While trying to get attention through piercings and (henna) tattoos might be immature, it has way less long-term negative effects than using your children for attention imo, which is what Jessa is doing. I personally think Jill is happy to be off the show because the show is basically one big pregnancy competition (the "x kids and counting!" title that started the Duggars' fame) and Jill knows she's going to lose that competition because of c-sections. She has a chance though at winning the competition for "saving the most souls" though, so I think that's what we'll see her really throw herself into. I think that's why she switched from being a midwife to her attempts at missions too. Midwifery is about babies, and she's losing out on # of babies. She's having way more contact with "heathens" than her sisters though, so she's winning there for sure. Also, as much as you might disagree with her methods, having conversations with people about religion is a somewhat intellectual pursuit that will probably teach her a lot academically (improve her reading comprehension level etc.) and push her toward higher education.

[libgirl2]

10 hours ago, PennySycamore said:

@libgirl2,  I am old enough to remember Keith Michell as Henry VIII in The Six Wives of Henry VIII and yes, he's how I tend to envision Henry.  I was looking at the Wikipedia article about that series and hadn't realized that the Duke of Norfolk was played by the Second Doctor, Patrick Troughton.

I didn't notice that right away either but I kept thinking he looked familiar. I was just starting to watch Doctor Who at that time and knew what previous Doctors looked like but had yet to see any before Pertwee. It was years later that I saw it was him!

[MoonFace]

On 1/11/2018 at 6:44 AM, HarleyQuinn said:

I feel validated in thinking Jill's new wardrobe is because she's trying to appeal to college kids.  

I think she saw that Jinger didn't burst in to flames helped 'inspire' her.     

I'm waiting for a family pictures with the older girls, wearing pants, surround Boob and ME, and the two of them are wearing stony smiles 

[MoonFace]

18 hours ago, BlondeIdol said:

(Snip) Appeal to college kids is what Derick does now, I guess. (snip).

I find this hysterically funny.  I can't imagine that a kid with enough smarts to go to college would fall for "Wreck's' BS.   Unless they are on the cusp of losing their scholarship or parental funding , I think they would be laughing at him and his Ok, no more worldly fun for you any more ways. 

[Carm_88]

12 hours ago, Crazy Enough to Join said:

 When you have 19 kids, you can be working your tail off 24/7 and still need several sister moms just to make sure that babies don't die. 

I think Michelle was very lazy. She passed those babies off at 6 months old and made her young daughters raise her kids. That is lazy and selfish. 

[Crazy Enough to Join]

21 minutes ago, Carm_88 said:

I think Michelle was very lazy. She passed those babies off at 6 months old and made her young daughters raise her kids. That is lazy and selfish. 

100% agree on the selfish! But think about her at the beginning. She had two, three (and more) babies in just a few years. After getting the first three through diapers and to school age she was so over it. That is perfectly normal and not lazy behavior. It's totally normal by the time you've gotten two or three kids to school age to be so over the work of babies and just want a little break while they go to school. Millions of SAHMs send the kids to kindergarten and use the time to catch up on some housework and take a breather. Nothing wrong with that, not lazy. What makes Michelle selfish and even evil was when she was naturally burned out and wanting a break, her plan for taking the break wasn't to stop having kids (the right choice!) but to make the older girls do all the work (selfish!).

There's a publication, Crowned with Silver, I think it is. They wrote articles about how when you're a mom of many and feeling so exhausted, just remember once the oldest are teenagers you won't have to do any work anymore because the teens will do all the work. It was called how you'll be the Queen with so many teens and young adults serving your needs. They never mentioned how unfair that was to the teens. We pity the married women having so many babies, but the Queen part actually can sound super appealing. If your body can't sustain 13+ pregnancies or your headship doesn't allow it, you never get to be the Queen. That's a bitter pill for any Duggar daughter to swallow imo.

[Carm_88]

@Crazy Enough to Join Michelle may not have been lazy in the beginning with her kids but once Jana and company were old enough to care for the kids, she sure was. Michelle hasn't had anything to do with her kids in years and it's not because they're babies who need diapering. She's just checked out. I would consider that lazy and selfish. Just look at the birthday video for Jorydn in 2016, Jordyn didn't even want to stand with her parents. The way that the younger girls cried (not only the Duggars but the Bates kids as well), show that there is little attachment to the bio parents. They were attached to their sister Moms. 

Also Michelle was feeding Jordyn peas out of a can as Jim Bob lifted weights over her head and she cooed at him. Lazy, selfish, stupid. Lots of bad adjectives. 

[Jenn The Heathen]

Re: the thought of Derek appealing to college kids...

When I was in college there was this local older guy (I have no clue how old he was then, 30s or 40s probably) who would stand outside one of the classroom buildings and “preach” about how we were all going to hell for any variety of offenses.  Sometimes it was sex, sometimes it was drinking and doing drugs, worshipping false idols, you name it.  I’m pretty sure none of us took him seriously.  Even the more conservative, religious of my friends thought he needed to get off his high horse.  

That’s who I think of when I think of Derek trying to appeal to college kids.

[imokit]

Derick was a college kid once, he'll appeal to vulnerable college kids like he was.

[Glasgowghirl]

I think Michelle is lazy compared to Sue Radford, who has the same number of kids, and didn't have sister mum's for her kids. Sure her kids all pitch in and help with house work but she didn't hand her kids over at six months old to her older kids. She probably spent more time with her younger kids than Michelle and Kelly did and she never home schooled. 

No parent is perfect and having families that big are always going to be a disadvantage but Michelle and Kelly placed all responsibilities on their older children: from cooking to potty training and not forgetting Kelly letting 14 year old Lawson pay for groceries because Gill was too lazy to provide for the family.

[TheMustardCardigan]

4 hours ago, MoonFace said:

I find this hysterically funny.  I can't imagine that a kid with enough smarts to go to college would fall for "Wreck's' BS.   Unless they are on the cusp of losing their scholarship or parental funding , I think they would be laughing at him and his Ok, no more worldly fun for you any more ways. 

To be fair, I've known plenty of not-so-bright and/or gullible people who have gone to all kinds of colleges. I'm a huge proponent of education but not everyone at every college can really be called smart. 

[Iamtheway]

19 hours ago, nst said:

Ben never posts anymore... and we haven't heard about Flame in eons.   Ben knows where his bread is buttered unlike the man. 

the man has no clue 

actually i think weeks ago he highjacked Jessa's instagram and said something but apart from that he is just raising those babies.

 

Isn’t that what we wish they’d all do? Take care of their kids and shut up. 

Derick, Jeremy, be more like Ben. Please!

[Markie]

I like how even Derick is questioning his in-laws praise and adoration of little Sam. 

[Mayluka]

17 minutes ago, Markie said:

I like how even Derick is questioning his in-laws praise and adoration of little Sam. 

I’m thinking he might be questioning how random this tweet looks since it comes through without the pictures that were posted with this text on Facebook. Without the pictures, there’s no context and it seems weird. 

...Or Derick is finally recognizing the insanity of his in-laws and has decided to question everything they’ve ever known? Lol.

Also, I like that you blocked out the other commenters’ names, but I am 95% sure the commenter under Derick is Becky M.  She’s always asking for random fundies to join Instagram or provide more updates!

[nst]

now that gave me a great laugh 

[just_ordinary]

10 hours ago, TheMustardCardigan said:

To be fair, I've known plenty of not-so-bright and/or gullible people who have gone to all kinds of colleges. I'm a huge proponent of education but not everyone at every college can really be called smart. 

Sadly, your intellect has nothing to do if you are going to fall for a cult or not. Sometimes very bright people are the first to jump. I think it is a mix by character, socialisation and a tendency to overthink.

I graduated with history and philosophy. Philosophy teached and challanged me in many ways but it also fed into my overthinking and negativ outlook on the future of the human race. So from time to time I am very gullible for easy answers and relativism. I think that keeps me sane. 

Smart people in cults are the most dangerous thing because they can compete in arguments better and therefore can seem more appealing.

[Eternalbluepearl]

Do you think Jill knows deep down that Derick is a jerk, idiot, bully, etc. But she feels she has to keep pretending she snagged a great guy? Or is the culture she was raised in is so messed up she really thinks he's a great guy? 

[Chewing Gum]

I think she genuinely believes it. 

[Iamtheway]

Considering divorce is not really an option for her I really hope she thinks he’s actually great. Knowing you’re stuck with shit for life, and not be able to do anything about it, sounds horrible. 

[freedom_for_all]

On 1/19/2018 at 5:19 PM, libgirl2 said:

Katherine of Aragon. She did nothing wrong except not produce a male heir that lived. She was sent here to marry Arthur and he dies. Her position was uncertain. Henry VII strung her along. She had very little money and had to sell some of her possessions. He dies and Henry VIII sees her as his princess and marries her. All those still births and miscarriages.... Henry strays one too many times and decides he wants to put her away. The husband that she adored no longer wants her, he also makes her life miserable. She can't see her daughter, she loses her position as queen, not to mention seeing Henry turn from Catholicism.

She dies lonely, save for a few faithful, but without the lights of her life, Mary and Henry. She loved him to the end and in a letter to him said Lastly, I make this vow, that mine eyes desire you above all things.

Yessss another Catherine fan! Have you read Garrett Mattingly’s bio of her? It’s from around WWII but it is the best bio of her IMHO. He helped publish catalogues of the state papers in Simacas/Vienna/etc that are related to England in that time period so the man knew his stuff. I maintain that Catherine of Aragon is one of the most bad ass Queens of England and it is a shame her early life is overshadowed by the kings great matter. While I doubt she would align with the feminist movement today, if you look at her letters and the way she stood up for herself, her household, and the rights of her daughter Mary by manipulating what a “obedient wife” should be to her advantage and using her kick ass brains to hide it underneath what men wanted to hear she does come out as what I call a proto-feminist. Plus she was a HUGE proponent of female education and never doubted Mary’s right and ability to rule as Queen Regent ie Queen in her own right. That had never happened in England. Ever. But Mary did and if you look at a lot of things Elizabeth did that made her popular she models them after Mary. Urg, I have got to convince someone to give me grant money to write a book on Catherine that focuses on her early life. The woman was just amazing. 

 

 

[freedom_for_all]

On 1/19/2018 at 10:09 PM, DancingPhalanges said:

Can I be a little weird and post a pic of my books? I absolutely loved the thread drift.

Be my best friend!

[tabitha2]

Most ambitious Female Royal Power players  in history ruled through weak or underage males and tended to damn well. So much so that when it came time to give up the throne to the male they resisted and went to any ugly  means possible to hold the throne.Pharaoh  Hatshepsut and her step son  Thutmose III come to mind. She ruled as Pharaoh for over 20 years, Placed her daughter in the Queen position and had  him lead her armies. 

 

[VelociRapture]

Yes Derick. Mugs are perfect for drinking something. For instance, a steaming hot mug of, “Shut the fuck up and stop trying to be relatable because it’s not working,” would be great for you to drink out of that mug.

[libgirl2]

3 hours ago, freedom_for_all said:

Yessss another Catherine fan! Have you read Garrett Mattingly’s bio of her? It’s from around WWII but it is the best bio of her IMHO. He helped publish catalogues of the state papers in Simacas/Vienna/etc that are related to England in that time period so the man knew his stuff. I maintain that Catherine of Aragon is one of the most bad ass Queens of England and it is a shame her early life is overshadowed by the kings great matter. While I doubt she would align with the feminist movement today, if you look at her letters and the way she stood up for herself, her household, and the rights of her daughter Mary by manipulating what a “obedient wife” should be to her advantage and using her kick ass brains to hide it underneath what men wanted to hear she does come out as what I call a proto-feminist. Plus she was a HUGE proponent of female education and never doubted Mary’s right and ability to rule as Queen Regent ie Queen in her own right. That had never happened in England. Ever. But Mary did and if you look at a lot of things Elizabeth did that made her popular she models them after Mary. Urg, I have got to convince someone to give me grant money to write a book on Catherine that focuses on her early life. The woman was just amazing. 

 

 

I don't know if I read that book, but I have read so many bios of the Tudors in addition to fictional accounts (Jean Plaidy books a favorite).

 

I think Mary would have been successful if she would have laid off the obsession of Catholicism. Elizabeth, while Protestant, kid of turned a blind eye as much as she could to it. I also think Mary would have been better off with an English husband or none at all. Phillip was a poor choice.

[LacyMay]

On 1/19/2018 at 1:23 PM, Crazy Enough to Join said:

They really are not isolated at all, hanging out with college students and Muslims and people from other countries etc.

They are not "hanging out with college students and Muslims" They are ministering to and trying to convert college students and Muslims. These are two very different things. I could be totally wrong but I don't think the conversations they have with their Muslim "friends" are two way sharing knowledge and experience. Jill and Derick very much have an agenda that they are trying to push.

I also don't think we have any evidence to say that Jill is more or less "free" than Jinger. Sure Jill spoke to a group of college students, what was the context? was it a campus ministries type of thing? was it an event held at CCC? what was she speaking about? (And Jinger has also been shown speaking at events for SWAN)  They have both been wearing pants and dressing more modern modest so we can't really use that as an indicator of anything. 

I think it's also a reach to say that Jeremy befriending Ben means anything, iirc them meeting was almost a coincidental type thing. And religion (even more mainstream religion) can be super insular I have church friends who are within 8 years of my age in either direction, I don't think that indicates that I have a need to be the Alpha in my relationships. It just means that there's a finite number of "young" people in my church and that faith gives common ground even between a 22 and a 30 year old. 

Jeremy has hateful harmful beliefs, we have evidence of this. Jeremy is a super controlling headship who controls Jingers every move? No evidence. 

Derick has hateful harmful beliefs, we have evidence of this. Derick is an absentee husband and father who gives Jill more freedom and autonomy to make her own choices? No evidence.