The Seewalds, Part 11: Future Baby Mama

[titerlitury]

21 hours ago, Lurky said:

(I will never forget seeing Xoeigh, pronounced Zoe, on STFU parents)

Wonderful. If I see this name, not knowing pronunciation I will just cough. And pretend this is it. 

I like my country legislation when it comes to naming children. 3 simple rules: 1) by knowing just name you could determine if kid is a girl or boy 2) name can not be vulgar, offensive, be a common noun, etc. 3) two names only

Unfortunately they cancell my favourite rule: no tryndy spelling! No X's, V's, Q's, we don't have them in our alphabet, no "Johanna" form, we have our own equivalent, etc. Only if one/both parents have foreign citizenship they could name child with name acceptable for example in Great Britain.  

I really loved this rule, so many kids saved...

[BabyBottlePop]

17 hours ago, Stormy said:

I hate to be the person to bring this up again, but with Seewald smugness/famewhoring aside and 30-something days to go,  I'm just hoping that the labor and birth go...accordingly.

I'm genuinely kind of worried about Jessa and baby with the lack of prenatal care (that we know of) and whatnot, and it would be really horrible if she tried a homebirth again and something went awry, or if something was amiss now that she doesn't know about due to the lack of ultrasound(s). I don't know how Jessa (or any of the other girls) would handle it if she had an unexpected stillborn or a baby with a serious birth defect. There'd be the whole "God has a plan" schpiel for the cameras of course, but how would she really feel? Sure, Jessa might be milking the attention she's getting for all it's worth, but she's also a young mother who's over the moon for this baby. Add in the fact that she lives in a world where her worth revolves around her duty and responsibility to sire lots of children.

I just really hope nothing bad happens.

I am really curious what would happen if something during a homebirth or no prenatal care caused a Duggar to be unable to have any more children. You would think with their drive to reproduce that they would be making sure that they could have as many as possible! Instead they just fall back on the whole 'Jesus is our insurance' plan.

If a medical issue happened that caused future infertility I would hope it wouldn't be framed as "She angered God, so he took her ability to have children away" but it probably would be.

 

[Chevreuil]

47 minutes ago, titerlitury said:

Wonderful. If I see this name, not knowing pronunciation I will just cough. And pretend this is it. 

I like my country legislation when it comes to naming children. 3 simple rules: 1) by knowing just name you could determine if kid is a girl or boy 2) name can not be vulgar, offensive, be a common noun, etc. 3) two names only

Unfortunately they cancell my favourite rule: no tryndy spelling! No X's, V's, Q's, we don't have them in our alphabet, no "Johanna" form, we have our own equivalent, etc. Only if one/both parents have foreign citizenship they could name child with name acceptable for example in Great Britain.  

I really loved this rule, so many kids saved...

Its worth remembering that what are now common names were once trendy or made up names that probably made our ancestors shake their heads.

[nastyhobbitses]

20 hours ago, missegeno said:

Even as someone who likes cooking and doesn't care much for football, the latest ig post of Ben and Spurg watching football bugs me. Maybe I'm on edge today but you know that the boys just think of thanksgiving as a lazy football day and the women never get a chance to escape the kitchen heat. Grrrrrr

They probably think of cooking as un-manly. Meanwhile my dad spent about 10 hours in the kitchen yesterday (with an apron on, of course) making the stuffing and the turkey (PROTIP: splay the thighs in a most unladylike fashion and sear it in the roasting pan on the stovetop before you put it in the oven....so effin' good), helping my grandma flambee chicken livers to to make chopped liver, and using gadgets to help me make pound cake faster (immersion blenders are awesome and I want one).

[Lurky]

1 hour ago, BabyBottlePop said:

I am really curious what would happen if something during a homebirth or no prenatal care caused a Duggar to be unable to have any more children

This is why, when in usual circumstances I am massively anti childbirth being filmed, outside of in-hospital/education shows, I'm a bit relieved the Duggar grandkids are likely to be born on TV - because a) the TV crew should call an ambulance, and b.  if anything goes catastrophically wrong, there's a record somewhere.

[Stormy]

1 hour ago, BabyBottlePop said:

I am really curious what would happen if something during a homebirth or no prenatal care caused a Duggar to be unable to have any more children. You would think with their drive to reproduce that they would be making sure that they could have as many as possible! Instead they just fall back on the whole 'Jesus is our insurance' plan.

If a medical issue happened that caused future infertility I would hope it wouldn't be framed as "She angered God, so he took her ability to have children away" but it probably would be.

 

Part of what boils my milk about the medical care (or lackthereof) is that, while JB & M are a lot of things, they at least promoted going to the damn doctor!

There was that minor hoopla with them going to some kind of specialist regarding potential future pregnancies (pre-Jubilee, I believe); the reason the Duggars gave was that if God were to give them any more blessings, they wanted to do so safely. I also remember that they once sought out an OBGYN who had experience with VBAC (Vaginal Birth After Cesarean) because Michelle wanted to try to have a vaginal birth after her C-section with Jackson; I remember that they consented to the C-section per the doctor's (strong) recommendation, and that they'd be open to having to do that again in case the next birth (Johannah) didn't go as planned with the VBAC. In short, Michelle and Jim Bob actually took initiative to ensure that mom and baby made it out okay. I don't know where Jill and Jessa are getting these overly-idealistic, borderline-crunchy ideas about pregnancy.

[nausicaa]

32 minutes ago, Stormy said:

I don't know where Jill and Jessa are getting these overly-idealistic, borderline-crunchy ideas about pregnancy.

Changes in holier than thou trends. When Michelle was in her peak baby making years, I don't think the whole "all natural, all the time" thing was quite competitive yard stick that it is now. Of our most fecund families, it seems all of the mothers went to the hospital and/or had a certified midwife and had pre-natal visits of some sort (Michelle Duggar, Kelly Bates, Cathy Arndt, Teri Maxwell). I always felt any medical corners cut were because of budgetary reasons, not ideology.

However, in the last decade, competitive motherhood has veered into the woo territory just as there has been an unfortunate increase in scientific skepticism, and it seems to have especially invaded the Fundie community. 

 

**And to be clear so that I don't accidentally start a Mommy War: I'm not bashing people at all for having a natural childbirth or using a midwife (two things I would seriously consider if I ever have a child) but rather criticizing gross negligence and prideful ignorance when it comes to science and basic medical precautions.

[Arix]

3 hours ago, titerlitury said:

Wonderful. If I see this name, not knowing pronunciation I will just cough. And pretend this is it. 

I like my country legislation when it comes to naming children. 3 simple rules: 1) by knowing just name you could determine if kid is a girl or boy 2) name can not be vulgar, offensive, be a common noun, etc. 3) two names only

Unfortunately they cancell my favourite rule: no tryndy spelling! No X's, V's, Q's, we don't have them in our alphabet, no "Johanna" form, we have our own equivalent, etc. Only if one/both parents have foreign citizenship they could name child with name acceptable for example in Great Britain.  

I really loved this rule, so many kids saved...

That sounds like a nightmare for trans people.

 

Being able to have a unisex name has gotten me out of many a sticky situation.

[SamiKatz]

3 hours ago, titerlitury said:

I like my country legislation when it comes to naming children. 3 simple rules: 1) by knowing just name you could determine if kid is a girl or boy 2) name can not be vulgar, offensive, be a common noun, etc. 3) two names only

 

 

I have a name that can be used for either boys or girls but seems to be far more popular (in North American anyway) as a boys name.  Hence I spent my childhood and young adult years telling people "Yes, my name is ******, and yes, I am actually female".  I even got put into the boys gym class when I started high school.

So I like the idea of people knowing if you're male or female just by your name.

 

[Carm_88]

4 hours ago, Lurky said:

This is why, when in usual circumstances I am massively anti childbirth being filmed, outside of in-hospital/education shows, I'm a bit relieved the Duggar grandkids are likely to be born on TV - because a) the TV crew should call an ambulance, and b.  if anything goes catastrophically wrong, there's a record somewhere.

It would be great if they went to the hospital or had a real midwife. However, Jessa and Jill have both had big babies so far. That would make me nervous. If I had a 10 pound or near 10 pound baby, I would be like give me the freaking drugs. I don't get the need a hme birth mentality. I would want what was safest. To each their own. I just think that Jessa and Jill should be careful since they both had their issues. 

[missegeno]

That sounds like a nightmare for trans people.
 
Being able to have a unisex name has gotten me out of many a sticky situation.

This was my thought. I would hate if I had to choose a specifically gendernormative name for my child just as much as I'd hate having to put a giant bow on a baby girl's head. Not that I might not choose a traditionally gendered name or like the aesthetics of a bow, but the idea of being forced to put my baby in that dichotomous box long before gender expression begins makes me very uneasy.

[Timetostoplurking]

Those naming rules would never ever work in America.  No way would the public be OK with government involvement in such a personal matter.

 

(however, I still think using Spurgeon as a first name should be illegal.  Lol)

[Carm_88]

There should be some sort of naming rules though. People are getting a bit crazy and I just don't mean Spurgeon. Naming your kid things like Hashtag, should be illegal. 

[nausicaa]

37 minutes ago, Carm_88 said:

There should be some sort of naming rules though. People are getting a bit crazy and I just don't mean Spurgeon. Naming your kid things like Hashtag, should be illegal. 

But doesn't freedom also mean the freedom to be a dumbass?

A free society doesn't need to protect the decisions we all agree on. The test of a free society is the right to make unpopular decisions that the majority may disapprove of.

[Carm_88]

9 minutes ago, nausicaa said:

But doesn't freedom also mean the freedom to be a dumbass?

A free society doesn't need to protect the decisions we all agree on. The test of a free society is the right to make unpopular decisions that the majority may disapprove of.

Yes but that doesn't help the child, that's the hard part about it. Dumbass names, dumbass parents, some kids get the absolute shit end of the stick. If you're going to be stupid, you can at least give your kid a name that won't get them beat up on the playground. 

[missegeno]

No name is safe from being made fun of on the playground. Kids are cruel even with traditional names. These naming rules are yet another reason I will never move back to England. Sure, some names suck but most people know responsibility lays with the parents and if the person saddled with it hates it that much they can change it (as any trans person with a gender normative name might). As much as I hate Spurgeon as a name, I fully support the ability to name him whatever Binessa want(s?). The idea that you are forced to be able to determine sex or gender just from a name is ridiculous and suffocating, imo, and makes me feel slightly ill.

[nausicaa]

32 minutes ago, Carm_88 said:

Yes but that doesn't help the child, that's the hard part about it. Dumbass names, dumbass parents, some kids get the absolute shit end of the stick. If you're going to be stupid, you can at least give your kid a name that won't get them beat up on the playground. 

I agree it sucks for the kid (I don't even like it when parents give daughters "cutesy" names that will make it difficult for them professionally as adults) but I think the parents still have the right to do it. 

And unfortunately, if you have dumbass parents, they're probably going to do a lot of other things to mess up your childhood other than your name. (Jessa and Ben, Imma looking at you.)

[Alachantal]

On 11/24/2016 at 2:21 PM, Lurky said:

Obvs I want the Seewalds to have a boy (fewer female victims for the cult) but if it's a girl, I hope they do that weird Fundy thing of Biblical names for the boys, and either hyper-tryndy names for the girls (so Ys for the vowels, a k and a Z)  or something utterly batshit yoonique, like Sauntina or Heistheway.  But something like Nyveyah ("Neveah is heaven spelled backwards, but we thought it looked more unique this way") would be perfect. 

(I will never forget seeing Xoeigh, pronounced Zoe, on STFU parents)

I read that name in Sacha Baron Cohen's voice from The Dictator. 

I think they should go with Forrest or Arrow or Rockwell or Rusty for a boy... Novalie or something similarly irritating for a girl.

[SamiKatz]

Spurgeon could be shortened to Spur.  Very butch and he could become the subject of Christian western romance novels.

[Lurky]

1 hour ago, missegeno said:

These naming rules are yet another reason I will never move back to England.

Huh?  What naming rules in the UK?  I have literally never heard of any, and I've seen some crazy names here.  (a friend used to work on vaccination programmes, and talked about accidentally mis-spelled names, like Micheal, through to incredibly random and/or themed names for twins....)

[missegeno]

Huh?  What naming rules in the UK?  I have literally never heard of any, and I've seen some crazy names here.  (a friend used to work on vaccination programmes, and talked about accidentally mis-spelled names, like Micheal, through to incredibly random and/or themed names for twins....)

Perhaps i misunderstood the location of the poster who said names in their country had to clearly distinguish sex. I thought they said something about uk, but i could easily be wrong. My apologies if so.

I loved living in England for many reasons, but its not the country for me for a variety of reasons. I thought this was another to add to the list, but i would love it if I'm wrong.

Wonderful. If I see this name, not knowing pronunciation I will just cough. And pretend this is it. 
I like my country legislation when it comes to naming children. 3 simple rules: 1) by knowing just name you could determine if kid is a girl or boy 2) name can not be vulgar, offensive, be a common noun, etc. 3) two names only
Unfortunately they cancell my favourite rule: no tryndy spelling! No X's, V's, Q's, we don't have them in our alphabet, no "Johanna" form, we have our own equivalent, etc. Only if one/both parents have foreign citizenship they could name child with name acceptable for example in Great Britain.  
I really loved this rule, so many kids saved...

May I ask what country has these naming laws?

[JillyO]

2 hours ago, nausicaa said:

But doesn't freedom also mean the freedom to be a dumbass?

Meh. Your own freedom ends where you're infringing on another person's rights. By giving your kid a dumbass name, you're not (just) hurting yourself, you're mainly hurting your child. While I don't think there's a perfect solution to the naming question, I don't think a parent has the right to name their child whatever they want. Is it okay to name your kid Hitler? After all, they can change it if they really mind...

[missegeno]

Oh, i see, Britain has names that wouldn't otherwise be acceptable in op's country. I misread it, apologies to England.

[DaniLouisiana]

Kids with unique names often hate them while they are growing up and suddenly fall in love with them as a teenager or as a young adult. Case in point:my daughter is named after a Celtic goddess and has to frequently explain that she is not named after a song. She changed her name 6-7 times in high school. Then she really got into the Goth community and now loves her name. My oldest had 5 other boys with the same name in kindergarten.  Youngest changed his from a Dr Who companion name to a very common male name when he cane out as trans.

[Chevreuil]

36 minutes ago, JillyO said:

Meh. Your own freedom ends where you're infringing on another person's rights. By giving your kid a dumbass name, you're not (just) hurting yourself, you're mainly hurting your child. While I don't think there's a perfect solution to the naming question, I don't think a parent has the right to name their child whatever they want. Is it okay to name your kid Hitler? After all, they can change it if they really mind...

I dont think many (there is always someone) would argue limiting vulgar or offensive names. Having laws like the one that was mentioned sounds, to me, less to save kids from being called hitler and more to limit those pesky foreigners naming their kids something from their culture.