Trump 5: Coming up trumps

[AmazonGrace]

I find Gary Johnson's ignorance about the world troubling. I would expect a person who is running to be the president to read up on the current news and the hot spots around the world because if he wins he will be expected to have an informed opinion about such stuff . But i guess he is the safe choice as he probably won't win so the chances that he will be able to do some actual damage in the Oval Office are slim to none.

Hillary does not scare me as she seems to know her stuff, mostly, and  but I think it's unfortunate she has such a lot of baggage. She will have a hard time governing because of everyone who hates her to hell and back.

Trump is a disaster, believe me. Hillary had 30 years to fix things and Trump is still a disaster. SAD.

[Destiny]

Serious inquiry here. What specifically is it that you find about Hillary to be dangerous, let alone as dangerous as Trump? 
 

This. I'd honestly like to see your answer.

[GreyhoundFan]

2 hours ago, Cartmann99 said:

I have news for you, you are pro-choice!  There's quite a few people in the pro-choice camp who would never personally have an abortion, but strongly believe that the option should exist for others. 

 

This. Personally, I can't imagine having an abortion. Of course, I can't imagine having a child either. I just feel that if the situation presented itself, the decision should be between me, my partner, and my doctor. 

I know a few women who have had abortions. None did it willy-nilly. I don't believe I should judge them for such a difficult decision. I firmly believe the option should exist.

 

[OnceUponATime]

4 hours ago, AuntK said:

I didn't really understand the reasoning (if there was any), behind Trump's joke about Hillary "pretending not to hate Catholics."  WTH? She's been accused of a LOT of shit, but that's a new one.

that's related to something in the emails put on Wikileaks.

[formergothardite]

40 minutes ago, AmazonGrace said:

I find Gary Johnson's ignorance about the world troubling. I would expect a person who is running to be the president to read up on the current news and the hot spots around the world because if he wins he will be expected to have an informed opinion about such stuff . But i guess he is the safe choice as he probably won't win so the chances that he will be able to do some actual damage in the Oval Office are slim to none

John Oliver is right that Johnson has been greatly benefited by the media not digging too deeply into his policies. Even Johnson seems to realize that if people take a hard look at his plans he is going to come off looking really terrible. 

Trump is saying he would end freedom of press if he is elected. Combine that with all the other really horrible stuff he is saying he will do like kill children who are related to terrorists and attack religious freedoms, I too would like to know how Hillary is just as dangerous as he is. 

[AmazonGrace]

Everyone is saying Crooked Hillary hates Catholics. Sad!  Some of those Catholic Mexican bad hombres are good people I'm sure.

[Cartmann99]

2 hours ago, Scribber said:

@cartman99, I know the odds are extremely small that Roe V Wade would be overturned. However? I know at least a dozen ultra conservative families who truly believe that Trump will "make abortion illegal" -- some understand it's a Supreme Court thing (on a limited basis) and some just are dumb enough to believe the president has that control.

Either way? That is their sole reasoning for voting Trump.

I work for a non-profit where I am surrounded by many conservatives, and at least in my area? This is a highly popular belief.

Now, the next president does potentially have the ability to tilt the Supreme Court if all the stars align properly - but it would be years and the potential of it being overturned is incredibly slim.

You and I are on the same page.   I'm in a very conservative area and I've heard the same argument about abortion as a reason to vote for Trump. I just get frustrated that so many people think that overturning Roe V Wade is so simple. 

1 hour ago, Nomorethanfour said:

I am, however, staunchly pro life. Not because of any religious reasoning, but because I believe it is just wrong. I find it horrific that our government has two standards, one for a mother who wants to abort, and another for a different person who ends the life of an unborn child. On federal property, if someone shoots a preganant woman (at any stage of her pregnancy) and she loses that child...that person is charged with murder. It is too much of a contradiction and makes no sense. It's either a life worth something, or it isn't. We determine death when the heart stops beating, yet refuse to afford it life when it starts beating.

 

1 hour ago, AmazonGrace said:

Gary Johnson is pro choice based on his campaign site

 

1 hour ago, Nomorethanfour said:

I know, but it's not a deal breaker for me. There is so much to consider, and when I lined up my ideals. Johnson won. But no, obviously, typically noone lines up 100%.

 

[Palimpsest]

14 minutes ago, OnceUponATime said:

that's related to something in the emails put on Wikileaks.

It something about a joke one of her (Catholic) staff members is supposed to have made.

Gary "What's Aleppo?" Johnson who can't think of a single foreign leader he admires?  I'm surprised Bill Weld agreed to be his running mate but Weld has always been a bit capricious.

 

[AmazonGrace]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/facebook-employees-pushed-to-remove-trump-posts-as-hate-speech-1477075392

I am the least racist person you know but Facebook employees wanted to remove my posts as hate speech. The internet is rigged too! Hillary invented internet, and it's a disaster.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-calls-washington-leadership-losers-babies/story?id=42969787

We  have a bunch of babies running our country, a bunch of losers. In 10 years I'll be dating them

[AmazonGrace]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/10/12/wikileaks-emails-show-clinton-spokeswoman-joking-about-catholics-and-evangelicals/

Many people are saying Hillary's staff bleaches emails too. Shocking! I would release my emails but they're under audit. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/brian-babin-hillary-clinton_us_580a1bf6e4b000d0b1560d9b

Everyone knows Hillary is nasty. Ask Brian Babin, ask R-Texas! But a lady? She walked in front of me, and I don't think so, believe me, I don't think so

[Cartmann99]

37 minutes ago, AmazonGrace said:

Http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-calls-washington-leadership-losers-babies/story?id=42969787

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“We have a bunch of babies running our country, folks,” said Trump at a campaign rally in Fletcher, North Carolina. “We have a bunch of losers, they’re losers, they’re babies.”

Bless his heart! Trump's supposedly a billionaire, yet he can't find a single mirror in that tacky-ass penthouse that reflects who the whiny loser is in this situation.

[Howl]

6 hours ago, AuntK said:

I also believe being pro-life means providing good medical care, health insurance, education, child care, it doesn't just stop at BIRTH, pro-life to me means supporting every SEASON of life, including children, teens, adults and the elderly.

And providing free birth control for any woman who wants it will cut way down on the need for abortion.   Why people can't put this together is beyond me. And children suffer.  Right now Texas is way behind on caring for foster children and failing abused children in every important way.  Texas CPS is basically collapsing and a new head of CPS has not been able to turn that around. 

[AuntK]

6 hours ago, Cartmann99 said:

 

I have news for you, you are pro-choice!  There's quite a few people in the pro-choice camp who would never personally have an abortion, but strongly believe that the option should exist for others. 

 

I just read a very touching article about a woman who had an abortion at 31 weeks. The child was very much wanted by the couple, but it was a difficult pregnancy with the doctor, a specialist, finally telling her, the fetus was "incompatible with life."  It was a nightmare; basically, if she carried the pregnancy to term, she was risking her own health and the child would not survive longer than a few minutes, if that.  So tragic! Under those circumstances, I would likely take the same action.

[sophie10130]

I guess the part I don't get is why they are Republicans. Republicans want the government OUT of their collective business. But they want government in the business of every woman despite their political or religious leanings? Seems hypocritical. 

[VelociRapture]

I'll submit my original report now. It's about a book that I feel is probably on Trump's reading level:

"See Red run? That dog is really not a strong person. Very, very, very weak. Believe me."

(Spoiler alert - this was a beginner reader book I loved... in first grade... it told the epic three page and three sentence story of a dog named Red who runs. )

[VelociRapture]

3 minutes ago, AuntK said:

I just read a very touching article about a woman who had an abortion at 31 weeks. The child was very much wanted by the couple, but it was a difficult pregnancy with the doctor, a specialist, finally telling her, the fetus was "incompatible with life."  It was a nightmare; basically, if she carried the pregnancy to term, she was risking her own health and the child would not survive longer than a few minutes, if that.  So tragic! Under those circumstances, I would likely take the same action.

I hit 28 weeks tomorrow. If my Doctor gave me the news that couple got I would absolutely choose to abort and my husband would agree with me. No way in hell would either of us be ok with our daughter being born to such a short and excruciatingly painful life. I'd rather live with my guilt and the emotional trauma then put my baby through one second of pain.

What haunts me the most about this story - and so many others - is the fact that this couple had to borrow such a large amount of money from her mother so they could travel to Colorado. All because their home state (New York) doesn't allow for abortions after 22 weeks. Not to mention the people who can't afford to spend that kind of money and are pretty much forced to carry to term because of it. 

It's absolutely disgusting to me that anyone would want to cause a couple like this more pain and turmoil in an already unimaginably horrific situation.

[Destiny]

One of our own here went through this. I'm still haunted by her telling of her story - it completely changed my views on abortion. While Cheeto was going on his ripped from the womb rampage the other day, I was imagining this person hearing it and it enraged me. No one wakes up many weeks pregnant and decides they don't want to be anymore. There's always a reason, and by making it so hard for those women to get the care they need, it makes a horrible situation so much worse.

For the record, I would abort in that situation as well.

[formergothardite]

Just now, Destiny said:

One of our own here went through this. I'm still haunted by her telling of her story - it completely changed my views on abortion. While Cheeto was going on his ripped from the womb rampage the other day, I was imagining this person hearing it and it enraged me. No one wakes up many weeks pregnant and decides they don't want to be anymore. There's always a reason, and by making it so hard for those women to get the care they need, it makes a horrible situation so much worse.

For the record, I would abort in that situation as well.

Whenever I hear people rant about the evils of abortion and ripping babies from the womb, I think of her. I think her story has made a lot of people stop and think about what late term abortions really are. The picture she painted was nothing like the propaganda spread by anti-choice groups. 

 

[Destiny]

1 minute ago, formergothardite said:

Whenever I hear people rant about the evils of abortion and ripping babies from the womb, I think of her. I think her story has made a lot of people stop and think about what late term abortions really are. The picture she painted was nothing like the propaganda spread by anti-choice groups.

This. I'm crying right now just thinking about the sadness that was coming through the screen at me when I read her story.

For people curious about the 31 week story, I think this is probably the one that was being discussed (I'm about 95% certain there was a discussion about this on FJ when the article was originally posted as well):

http://jezebel.com/interview-with-a-woman-who-recently-had-an-abortion-at-1781972395

[VelociRapture]

10 minutes ago, Destiny said:

This. I'm crying right now just thinking about the sadness that was coming through the screen at me when I read her story.

For people curious about the 31 week story, I think this is probably the one that was being discussed (I'm about 95% certain there was a discussion about this on FJ when the article was originally posted as well):

http://jezebel.com/interview-with-a-woman-who-recently-had-an-abortion-at-1781972395

Yes, this is the one I was thinking of. But the other story discussed here was, I believe, about a couple who were 35 or so weeks pregnant. The medical staff missed that something was fatally wrong with the baby until she hit 35 weeks - and only caught it then because she had been so anxious about the pregnancy that they did an additional ultrasound meant to put her at ease. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/beauty/what-kind-of-mother-is-8-months-pregnant-and-117104430132.html?client=safari

 

[Destiny]

16 minutes ago, VelociRapture said:

Yes, this is the one I was thinking of. But the other story discussed here was, I believe, about a couple who were 35 or so weeks pregnant. The medical staff missed that something was fatally wrong with the baby until she hit 35 weeks - and only caught it then because she had been so anxious about the pregnancy that they did an additional ultrasound meant to put her at ease. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/beauty/what-kind-of-mother-is-8-months-pregnant-and-117104430132.html?client=safari

Fuck. I had never seen this one. I'm now crying. These poor families. </3

[AuntK]

Yes, the one I was talking about was the woman who had to fly to Colorado from NY, pay $10k CASH, and then fly back to NY to deliver her dead baby!!! Just HORRIFIC!! These asshats that think women just blithely use abortions as a form of birth control are ignorant and need to stfu!

[AuntK]

I have a lot of confidence in Hillary. Yes, she has a lot of baggage and has made a lot of mistakes. So have we all, but that's what life does to you. Hillary is smart, I believe she learns from her mistakes and, most importantly, she is ambitious and driven and I guarantee you that she wants to make her mark as one of the best, (if the THE best), fucking president since Lincoln.  I hope that she has her chance. God knows she's been under enough scrutiny for the last 30 years, now is her time.

[candygirl200413]

I read that same story yesterday, among others and it just blows my mind just like you AuntK that people believe that these women just decide like it's birth control! It also blew my mind a little bit with the women who flew to Colorado describing the hospital that she got the procedure done and how it was so 70s esque because there's no money to help keep the upkeep really besides the 4 sheets of bulletproof windows. I also wonder with this, is it just people choose to not think that there are LEGITIMATE reasons why a late term abortion might need to happen?

[AuntK]

@VelociRapture - I hope that this time next year you will be putting together a little Halloween costume for your little one!