Bates Family Part 10

[HerNameIsBuffy]

Just now, VelociRapture said:

We're naming our baby after family as well. Apparently it's a family thing - my sister and her husband just gave their son family names too! 

If it's a girl she'll have the same middle name as my dad's favorite Aunt, which is also a variant of the middle name I share with my mom. Her middle name would be the same middle name as my mom's late sister, my only biological Aunt.

If the baby is a boy his first name will be from the same ethnic group (Celtic) and start with the same two letters as my dad and sister's husband's  first names (they share the same name.) His middle name will be the first name of my father-in-law and my husband's older brother.

Finding ways to honor our families is important to us both - we just lucked out that we love a lot of the names in our families already. 

Btw I was getting caught up last night and saw I'd missed your big announcement!  

Squee!  I am SO happy for you, Mr. Raptor, and the little Raptor hatch-ling.  Congrats!!  

(and hatchling makes me think of this...

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[Jana814]

17 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

I could be totally wrong on this, but somewhere in the back of my head the idea that it's against Jewish tradition to name a child after a living relative?  And something about using same initials, but not exact same name or something?  

 

It is very rare for a Jewish person to be named after someone who is alive. We name after someone who died (to give them honor). Sometimes it's the name but sometimes it's the first letter of the name. 

[VelociRapture]

2 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

Btw I was getting caught up last night and saw I'd missed your big announcement!  

Squee!  I am SO happy for you, Mr. Raptor, and the little Raptor hatch-ling.  Congrats!!  

(and hatchling makes me think of this...

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Thank you! Still very early on, so we haven't shared with anyone we know in real life. I'm still half-way between thinking this is a massive joke and terrified something is going to go wrong. 

By the way, Hubby and I LOVE turtles! I'm seriously tempted to do a turtle themed nursery!

14 minutes ago, Hiddenomaha said:

What I don't get is why Jim Bob goes by that nickname. James Robert (his legal name) is tremendously fine, especially for a politician (example, who are you more likely to vote for: State Rep. James Robert Duggar vs State Rep. Jim Bob Duggar?) Or hell, he could even go by the initials "J.B. Duggar" and still be good

It may have been a nickname he got as a kid and it just stuck. My Grandma wanted her youngest child to have the nickname Ned - her three other kids called him Eddie from the second he was born though. He's still Eddie over fifty years later.

[fannomore]

This is petty but it will bug me how Zach(ary) and Whitney and Bradley all end in "y" and they pick a name that could end in Y as well and they choose an I. 

Why?!

[Firiel]

20 minutes ago, VelociRapture said:

It may have been a nickname he got as a kid and it just stuck. My Grandma wanted her youngest child to have the nickname Ned - her three other kids called him Eddie from the second he was born though. He's still Eddie over fifty years later.

My boyfriend's grandpa wanted to name my boyfriend's uncle Axle.  His grandma thought that was ridiculous and wanted to name their son a normal name.  She technically won.  He has a normal name, but I don't know what it is because the Grandpa started calling him "Hub" immediately... which is what stuck.

[Jigsaw3]

I feel a bit sorry for Michael. She's always been VERY clear that she wants kids, she's probably trying pretty hard, all three married siblings quickly reproduced, and here her two siblings are both announcing second children during the timeframe in which she might be expected to announce a first. But as far as we know, she's not pregnant. It must be hard for her, and I'm sympathetic.

On the other hand, every month she's not pregnant is less chance of her having a mega-family, less blessings and buddies and neglect. It's more time for her and Brandon to build a relationship, more time for her to finish college, more time for her to earn money for the family coffers. So sympathy for her yes, but for the sake of the future kids I'm glad.

[Withagrainofsalt]

Anyone think it's weird for both the Duggars and the Bates have a Josie? Josie Duggar was born in 2009, Josie Bates I can't find an exact year but she definitely older than 6. I find it weird that these families have a daughter with the same name.

[catlady]

4 minutes ago, JasonAldeanMG said:

Anyone think it's weird for both the Duggars and the Bates have a Josie? Josie Duggar was born in 2009, Josie Bates I can't find an exact year but she definitely older than 6. I find it weird that these families have a daughter with the same name.

Don't they both have a Jackson too?

[Withagrainofsalt]

Just now, catlady said:

Don't they both have a Jackson too?

Yes they do! I didn't even think of that. For people who are close friends having  the same names for two of their kids seems unoriginal and almost copying. 

[AnywhereButHere]

1 hour ago, JasonAldeanMG said:

Yes they do! I didn't even think of that. For people who are close friends having  the same names for two of their kids seems unoriginal and almost copying. 

Outside of the show, I'm not sure how close of friends they are, but either way, when you each have a baseball roster of kids, duplication is almost a given. 

[FloraDoraDolly]

1 hour ago, catlady said:

Don't they both have a Jackson too?

They do, but Jackson is a VERY trendy name for boys who are around the name age as Jackson Duggar and Jackson Bates. Josie is more unusual, especially since it appears that Josie is both girls' full name; it's not a nickname for Josephine. 

[TuringMachine]

2 hours ago, Jana814 said:

It is very rare for a Jewish person to be named after someone who is alive. We name after someone who died (to give them honor). Sometimes it's the name but sometimes it's the first letter of the name. 

Thats how I was named. My mom took the first letters of her grandmothers' names, B and C , for my first and middles names.

[Jana814]

1 minute ago, TuringMachine said:

Thats how I was named. My mom took the first letters of her grandmothers' names, B and C , for my first and middles names.

I got my maternal's grandfather first letter & my sister (who is 2 years younger then me) got my paternal's grandfather's first letter. 

[twinmama]

On 2/24/2016 at 7:48 AM, for_the_Kitties said:

I think it was more of a: "Our adult children make their own choices, but respect our rules when they visit" 

I do not recall a "stop bullying my daughter!" or "leave alyssa alone!" type comment...
IIRC, Kelly was defending Alyssa's choices as her own but not agreeing with her decision to bare her shoulders. She gave the vibe that she respects her adult kids enough to let them make their own adult choices. 

Once in a while I'm reading posts and a phrase just makes me realize how ridiculous all of these people and their beliefs are. That someone would torture themselves over, or feel the need to defend showing their SHOULDERS is beyond me.

[withaj]

1 hour ago, catlady said:

Don't they both have a Jackson too?

They both named miscarried babies Jubilee, too.

[xlurker]

Family names--my first name is my mother's middle name, my grandmother's middle name (although it was originally her first name) and I believe it goes back farther in her family tree. I never really liked my name, but my oldest has a varient of it as her middle name. I love her name!  Seems to be a first born daughter thing in our family.  The first born daughter of a daughter bearing this name must pass it on.  As I am trying to do some family geneology, I will say if my grandfather's side did something like this it may have made my job a bit less frustrating! LOL

[pnwgypsy]

going back to the most recent episode...When they go to Chicago to visit Michael, Callie is GLUED to her.  When they say bye, Callie is beside herself.

[Paperplate]

6 hours ago, singsingsing said:

What are 'native English words', though? English is a mishmash of Germanic and Latin origins, with loanwords from a whole variety of different languages, and it's changed so much over the past thousand years that if you found yourself back in, say, 15th century England, you wouldn't be able to understand anyone, and no one would be able to understand you. English names have also historically come from a wide variety of sources, from Germanic to Norse to French to Latin to Greek to Hebrew to Celtic. Sorry, I just love to geek out about names!  

Being a linguist and all, I know about languages. I'm not an expert on English in particular, but I know about it's history. And I meant everything I said. Native words in English are West Germanic words. Loanwords are words borrowed from a different language. In English many of these are from French and Latin (and other Germanic languages). Not many of these loans end in i (I think). It's mostly the Italian loans that end in i, plus non-Indo-Germanic stuff like kirigami.

The point is: If you have a word that is supposed to be pronounced according to standard English grapheme-to-phoneme-correspondences, but you include a grapheme that doesn't occur in English (i in final position), it's gonna be weird.

If you pronounce Kaci [ˈkaːtʃiː] or whatever – fine, it's foreign. But pronounce it just like Casey but spell it non-natively? Weird.

(On the whole I don't care what Whit & Zach name their kid though. Whatever makes them happy, as long as it doesn't hurt the child.)

[DugFan]

14 hours ago, nastyhobbitses said:

Funny how we were just talking in the Fundie Names thread about how boys seem to get strong, masculine, distinguished-sounding names (Bradley, Josiah, James, Isaiah, Israel) and girls get cutesy, infantile, nickname-sounding names (Josie, Katie as a full name, Ellie, Allie, Callie).

Or they give their girl a masculine name, turn fundie and then spend the rest of her life trying to change it to something more feminine.  Is it Michael or Michaela?  Even they don't know! 

[Dandruff]

23 minutes ago, DugFan said:

Or they give their girl a masculine name, turn fundie and then spend the rest of her life trying to change it to something more feminine.  Is it Michael or Michaela?  Even they don't know! 

For people who read the bible every single day, you'd think they'd have figured out Michal was a problem beforehand.

[mstee]

All I could think about when I saw Whitney and Zach's announcement was my Guinea pig that I owned when I was 14- named Kaci. Spelled the same way and everything. Haha. I outgrew the creative name spelling days, thankfully. And he was the best little Guinea pig ever. 

[singsingsing]

50 minutes ago, Paperplate said:

Being a linguist and all, I know about languages. I'm not an expert on English in particular, but I know about it's history. And I meant everything I said. Native words in English are West Germanic words. Loanwords are words borrowed from a different language. In English many of these are from French and Latin (and other Germanic languages). Not many of these loans end in i (I think). It's mostly the Italian loans that end in i, plus non-Indo-Germanic stuff like kirigami.

The point is: If you have a word that is supposed to be pronounced according to standard English grapheme-to-phoneme-correspondences, but you include a grapheme that doesn't occur in English (i in final position), it's gonna be weird.

If you pronounce Kaci [ˈkaːtʃiː] or whatever – fine, it's foreign. But pronounce it just like Casey but spell it non-natively? Weird.

(On the whole I don't care what Whit & Zach name their kid though. Whatever makes them happy, as long as it doesn't hurt the child.)

Well, now I realize I left out my main point: English is still evolving. I'm somewhat surprised that you take such a black-and-white view of what's 'weird' and 'non-native' in English, because most linguists I've come into contact with do the opposite. Particularly when it comes to the history of names, it's just not that simple. 500 years ago, Charlotte was not an English name. 200 years ago, Caitlin was not an English name. Many names we now think of as female were, not very long ago, exclusively male, and before that, surnames. 

The name 'Naomi' has been fairly common in the English language for a while now. 'Missouri' is less common as a given name, but it's a name that most Americans would definitely recognize. And how about 'Heidi'? 'Lori' is a very common American name. I checked out the most popular baby names from the year 1970 and found Lori (#23), Heidi (#81), Jodi (#95), Traci (#100), Terri (#113), Kelli (#115), Sherri (#122), Kristi (#123) - I could go on, but you get the picture. For a 'weird' and 'foreign' grapheme, it sure seems to occur frequently in English American baby names, and has for some time (just out of curiosity I checked 1950's statistics and found Vicki (#61), Terri (#228), Naomi (#270), Patti (#293), Cheri (#332)... etc).

[mango_fandango]

4 hours ago, Jana814 said:

It is very rare for a Jewish person to be named after someone who is alive. We name after someone who died (to give them honor). Sometimes it's the name but sometimes it's the first letter of the name. 

Yeah, like how Monica in Friends names her adopted son after her dad. She and Ross do Hanukkah, but they are definitely 'cultural Jews' and so wouldn't follow everything. In commentary for "The Last One" Marta Kauffman even mentions this, and she's Jewish too, although whether cultural or not I don't know.

I always find it weird when people do the whole Jonathan Mark Smith I, II, III etc thing. Like how Trey Parker of South Park fame is actually Randolph Severn Parker III. And against Barack Obama in 2008 was John Sidney McCain III. 

[Milly-Molly-Mandy]

13 hours ago, VelociRapture said:

 

I had a response typed up to your earlier post before seeing this. Lol!

We've had our names picked out for a long time now. We are completely set on those names, so baby will have one or the other no matter what. 

I think the reason people think a baby "looks" like a name may be because they aren't entirely set on a name when the baby arrives.

 

Ha my husband and I had 2 'final' names but I only actually liked one of them so when baby was born I said he looked like the name I liked. Husband was like yes I agree he really does look like a 'James' (not his real name) 

even if he had looked like a 'William' I never would have admitted it. 

[HarleyQuinn]

I see Whitney chose a tryndy spelling. It's not a bad name, hopefully she's not a ditz because that's the first thing that comes to mind when I hear that name lol.