Week 4 -liveblog of Botkin marriage webinar

[formergothardite]

:shock: When my dad first met my husbad, the most prying question he asked was, "Where do you work." I don't know any man who would stay and answer those questions. The Botkin girls just need to give up, they aren't ever getting married. Ever.

[Deleted12]

God help me, these questions for potential suitors totally remind me of Scientology questions.

1. Have you ever been disloyal to your group?

2. Have you ever mistreated another group member?

3. Have you ever betrayed your group?

4. Have you ever taken unfair advantage of your position in a group?

5. Have you put your own interests above those of your group?

6. Have you ever required another group member to sacrifice himself for the group?

7. Have you ever invalidated a group?

8. Have you invalidated a group's purposes?

9. Have you upset a group with your disaqreements?

l0. Have you ever walked out on a group?

ll. Are you against any group?

12. Is there any group that you hate?

13. Have you thrown someone out of a group?

l4. Have you expelled anyone from a group?

15. Have you third-partied someone to the rest of the group?

16. Have you created dissention within a group?

17. Have you betrayed your group?

18. Have you forced anyone to join a group?

19. Have you upset a group?

20. Have you left a group just to make them wrong?

21. Have you ever thrown a group off its true purposes?

22. Have you declared war on a gang?

23. Have you ever created a gang?

24. Have you committed overts as part of a gang?

25. Do you belong to a gang?

26. Have you ever let your team down?

27. Have you made your team ashamed of you?

28. Have you failed to support your team?

29. Have you been mean to a team member?

30. Have you failed to support your school?

31. Have you been against your school?

32. Have you caused trouble at a school?

33. Do you have any overts on your school?

34. Have you ever created a secret society?

35. Have you ever caused trouble as a member of a secret society?

36. Have you ever harmed a secret society?

37. Have you ever pledged your allegience to a secret society?

38. Have you ever harmed a club?

39. Have you ever failed to contribute to a club?

40. Have you ever been a bad representative of an association?

41. Have you ever tried to get more out of an association than you put in?

42. Have you been a bad member of a church?

43. Have you violated the mores of a church?

44. Did you commit secret sins?

45. Have you disturbed the other members of your church?

46. Did you do anything that would have made your church ashamed of you?

47. Have you ever lied about your connection with a church?

48. Have you ever abandoned a church that you felt you owed your allegiance to?

49. Have you ever harmed a religion?

50. Have you ever harmed your race?

51. Have you done anything that your race would be ashamed of?

52. Have you declared war on another race?

53. Have you ever been a bad example of your race?

54. Have you ever betrayed your country?

55. Have you ever failed to support your country?

56. Have you harmed your country?

57. Have you invaded another country?

58. Have you destroyed another country?

59. Have you been mean to your friends?

60. Have you betrayed a friend?

6l. Have you ever stated an agreement that you didn't mean?

52. Have you ever pretended to be in agreement when you weren't?

63. Have you ever broken an agreement just because it didn't suit you?

64. Have you ever been disloyal?

65. Have you committed any overts because of your duty or loyalty to a group?

66. Have you ever withheld your support?

67. Have you ever supported something that was an overt?

68. Have you ever betrayed an agreement?

69. Have you ever continued an agreement after you no longer agreed?

70. Do you feel there is any group that you owe anything to?

71. Is therc anything that you have done to a group that we haven't covered here?

[meda]

The part that scares me the most is not the personal questions, but the breeding for war rhetoric. Who are they fighting and trying to take dominion over? Why that would be me and my pants wearing, separation of church and state loving, secular lifestyle. This cultural shit is how the Taliban started, and I had a great professor in college who emigrated to the USA from Afghanistan. She spoke fondly of wearing a short skirt and enjoying the nightlife in Kabul in the 1970's. I don't believe for a second that these are harmless people with boring love lives.

[Daenerys]

56. Have you harmed your country?

57. Have you invaded another country?

58. Have you destroyed another country?

:shock:

[Daenerys]

56. Have you harmed your country?

57. Have you invaded another country?

58. Have you destroyed another country?

:shock:

[xReems]

Somebody needs to remind Pa Botkin that you don't have to have similar views on every little thing in life in order for a marriage to work. It's all about compromise as well-my boyfriend was raised one way and I was raised another but I know both of us are going to take what we grew up with and come up with our own beliefs and how we want to raise our children.

Seriously, that list is ridiculous. My boyfriend and I got to know each other from just casual conversations. I don't need to sit with him and interview him to see how compatible we are. For goodness sake, just be normal for once.

[Guest Anonymous]

And even more crazy: questions to ask a suitor and or the suitors friends and family

1. In what capacity or relationship have you known him? His family? 2. How long have you known him? 3. Would you say you know him well enough to share some observations about his character, personality, strengths and weaknesses?

Spiritual Life

4. Would you describe what you know about his

salvation and walk with God?

a. Evidence of salvation. (What makes you believe he is born again?) b. Theological beliefs. (Does he have any unusual or unorthodox beliefs?) c. Personal character. (Where is he in character development?) d. Lifestyle practices. (What do you see in his life that may be inconsistent with Scripture?) e. Faithfulness in church leadershp f. Prayer and Bible study. (What have you observed in these areas?) g. Personal witnessing. (Does he share the Gospel faithfully?) h. Spiritual ministries. (How does he exercise his spiritual gifts?) i. Spiritual strengths. (What are his one or two areas of greatest strength?) j. Spiritual weaknesses. (What are his one or two areas of greatest weakness?)

5. Would you describe what you know about his father's salvation and walk with God? (Use the same questions as in Question 4, but now in reference to the father.)

6. Would you describe for me what you know about his mother's salvation and walk with God? (Use the same questions as in Question 4, but now in reference to the mother.)

His Relationships

7. Can you describe his relationship with his father? Is it honoring? Is it obedient? 8. Can you describe his relationship with his mother? Is it honoring? Is it obedient?

9. Can you describe his relationship with his siblings? Is it harmonious? 10. Can you describe his relationship with his grandparents? Is it caring?

11. Can you describe his relationship with his friends? Doe he tend to be peer influenced?

12. Is he consistently faithful in fulfilling his commitments? Explain. 13. Has he shown a regular willingness to serve others? In what ways? 14. In what ways is self-centeredness expressed in his life? 15. How does he relate to authority in his life? 16. In what ways is he ever controlling or manipulative of others?

17. Have you ever seen or heard of him being unkind to others? 18. What kinds of situations cause him frustration? How does he respond?

19. What circumstances might make him impatient or angry? How does he handle them? 20. As far as you know, has he ever been violent (or even yelling)?

21. How does he deal with a broken relationship? Does he have any now that you know of?

Personal Habits Affecting Marriage

22. What is his practice regarding eating/food? Is his eating disciplined in choosing what to eat and how much? Do you know of any food oddities? 23. What is his practice regarding money? What are his habits regarding spending and giving? Do you think he would be controlling with money?

24. What is his discipline toward possessions? Is he very orderly? Does he ever seem materialistic? 25. What are his habits regarding work? Does he have a high standard of excellence? Does he ever tend to be slothful or a workaholic?

26. What is his discipline in studying? Does he read regularly, and if so, what? 27. What are his habits regarding sleeping? Is he lethargic? Are his sleep habits irregular?

28. What is his discipline with time? Does he follow a regular schedule? Is he productive? 29. What is his practice regarding personal devotions? 30. What is his level of personal cleanliness and hygiene?

31. Does he have any personal habits that might annoy others?

Marital Roles

32. What do you know of his beliefs about courtship and betrothal? 33. Does he tend to be more of a leader or follower in life? 34. As far as you can tell, how does he go about making major decisions?

35. In making decisions, what role does God's Word play? Is he selfless in decision making? 36. What is his attitude toward women? Is it respectful? Does he see them as possessions?

37. What is his view on the proper role of a wife? Is she to be his partner/companion or his slave? Is she to work outside the home?

38. What do you know of his views on divorce and remarriage? 37. What do you think he is looking for most in a wife? 39. How well do think he would provide for a wife and family? 40. How well do think he would protect his wife and family? 41. How do you think he will relate to his parents (and in-laws) after he is married? Do you see any potential for either rejection or dependency (apron strings)?

42. What has been his prior experience with dating and romance? 43. How does he relate to children? Is he affectionate toward them? Does he become irritated with them or ignore them?

44. What do you know of his views on child training, including corporal punishment? 45. Are you aware of his views on home schooling? 46. When he fails, does he accept personal responsibility, repent, ask forgiveness, and change? 47. Does he ever slant the truth for his own benefit? 48. In what ways do you think he may need to grow before marriage?

Moral Standards

49. What are his standards of propriety in dress? How does he dress? 50. Have you ever heard or known of any offensive language from him?

51. What are his standards regarding TV, movies, literature, music? 52. Do you think he would ever watch an R-rated movie? PG- rated?

53. Are you aware of any pornography in his past? 54. Are you aware of any alcohol, drugs or tobacco use in his past? 55. Do you know of any financial debts he has? 56. As far as you know, has he ever been in trouble with the law?

Miscellaneous

57. What is his attitude toward pets? Love 'em, leave 'em, sleep with 'em? 58. What are his political leanings? 59. What is his general attitude toward civil government?

60. From your observations, what are his interests, hobbies, talents? 61. What do you think he most highly values in life? What next? 62. Have you ever seen or heard of him spending money foolishly? 63. What two or three things does he tend to do in his spare time?

64. As far as you know, does he have any physical or mental disabilities or diseases? Any allergies? Prior or current health problems? 65. When growing up, what temptations or weaknesses did he exhibit?

66. What tendencies does he have toward intolerance, prejudice or racism? 67. What is his involvement in sports? Does he participate, attend games, watch it on TV? To what extent?

68. Recognizing we are all imperfect, in what one or two areas do you think God wants him to improve most? 69. From your experience, does he have a teachable spirit? 70. If your daughter/son were marrying this person, what cautions would you have?

Additional Questions for the Potential Candidate (added to those above):

71. What do you understand to be the Gospel? Please tell me about your salvation and walk with God. 72. What do you understand to be the role of baptism? Lord's Supper? 73. What do you understand to be God's purposes/priorities for the church?

74. What is your view of the Sabbath and the proper use of that day? 75. What is the present day application of the Mosaic Law? 76. What do you see as the man's role in the local church? Your own role?

77. What do you see as your wife's role in local church ministry? 78. How do you view age-segregation in the church (youth groups, Sunday school)?

79. What is your view on the celebration of Sacred Days (Christmas, Easter)? 80. What is your view of house churches? 81. Can you describe your life purpose, i.e., how you intend to use your interests, experiences, skills, and talents to serve and glorify God?

82. What role would your wife and children play in your life purpose? 83. What role would your job/career play in your life purpose? 84. What are your income producing (vocational) skills?

85. What is your attitude toward family (home) business?

86. What are your views on birth control and abortion? 87. What is your attitude toward adopting children? 88. What are your thoughts on alternative medicine? Vegetarianism?

89. What is the role of psychology in the life of a Christian? 90. Do you prefer to live in the city, suburbs, town, country, farm, seaside, mountains, desert?

91. Describe a typical week day in your life from start to finish. 92. Describe a typical Saturday in your life from start to finish.

I can answer all of these questions with a single phrase: None of your fuckin' business!

[xReems]

I love how on their website (their page on purchasing the webinar), they have written this:

Families across America are realizing that "dating" leads to trouble, not dynamic marriages.

Yes, because, anyone who dates will end up living a sin and divorcing.

I might need to rethink my current relationship of 3.5 years. We understand each other, respect and love each other, but because we went through the "dating" path and did not follow the Botkins way, we're doomed. Oh no.

[Guest Anonymous]

Oh yeah, they are definitely the American Taliban.

I am still shaking my head at the thought of a grown man saying, "Oh no, I would never watch an 'R' movie." I mean, these ratings were designed to protect children, not adults. And there is another question about whether the dude watches PG-13.

[Joykins]

Now I'm starting to think of the 400 question purity test...

Have you ever:

administered/wrote any version of the Purity Test?

taken Purity Tests of any versions more than 5 times?

lied on any previous Purity Tests?

exaggerated about any sexual experiences?

broken your word, or any promise or vow that you had made?

written graffiti?

plagiarized?

shoplifted?

stolen?

written a check that bounced?

committed breaking and entering?

told someone that you loved them when you did not?

told someone that you loved them strictly because you wanted to have sex with them?

sexually fantasized about someone else other than your partner while you were engaged in sexual activity?

intentionally listened in to other people performing sexual activities without their knowledge?

used alcohol to lower someone else's inhibitions for the intent of sexual activity?

used drugs to lower someone else's inhibitions for the intent of sexual activity?

forced or coerced someone into performing sexual activities with you?

had dates with multiple people in the same night while not all of your dates were aware of your actions?

gone steady with multiple people at the same time without all of the people aware of what you were doing?

gone steady with multiple people at the same time with all of them aware of your actions?

urinated on someone else intentionally? (Piss fights!)

urinated in any container that was not originally designed for such purpose (excepting urinalysis incidents)?

urinated anywhere not generally accepted for urination? (For instance: in the kitchen sink, or in the trunk of the family car)

urinated from a height greater than the fifth floor, or equivalent height, above ground level (e.g. buildings, bridges, the Grand Canyon)?

defecated anywhere not generally accepted for defecation? (Camping or hiking trips in without bathroom/outhouse access do not count.)

stored any human excreta in your refrigerator, oven, or any food storage/preparation appliance?

stored evacuated human excreta anywhere else in your room, apartment, house, habitation, office, etc?

entered a bathroom of the opposite sex while you were not accompanied by someone of the opposite sex and were not involved in a search and/or rescue mission at the time?

mooned or goosed someone?

streaked, flashed, or otherwise partially or totally exposed yourself in public before (or after) an informal, unofficial gathering of people?

streaked, flashed, or otherwise partially or totally exposed yourself in public before a formal (official) gathering of people? (Such as for a function, stage performance, charity dinner, etc.)

been arrested for any sexual, drug, or alcohol related offense? (Picture taken and all that wonderful, free stuff.)

received money or some favor in exchange for sexual activities?

given money or some favor in exchange for sexual activities?

thought you might unintentionally have gotten pregnant or might have unintentionally caused a pregnancy?

had or given someone an unwanted pregnancy?

had sex while either you or your partner, but not both, were under the age of consent for the state that you were in?

given a "sympathy fuck"?

initiated sexual activities with someone for the sake of those activities only?

willingly committed incest?

been involved in adultery?

stolen the underwear of someone you know for a purpose other than that of a practical joke or to just annoy the person? (A bunch of guys invading the women's dorm on a mission of panty raids does not count.)

intentionally taken the underwear of someone you didn't know?

[Karsaroni]

Those two young Botkin women just need to throw in the towel right now. If their whole goal in life is to get married, I srsly am not givingt them great odds.

What sort of self-respecting man would submit to that crap, especially from the pretentious ass that we all know as Daddy Botkin?

You are so right. No man (other than his own sons apparently) could come through this line of questioning and pass. Just no way. Those girls are doomed to be spinsters. And to be 100% honest I'm sort of relieved. I don't want ANYONE in this family reproducing. No innocent child should be born into this madness.

I expected some crazy questions... but seriously!? Rated R movies!? Is he letharigic?? And food oddities??? So if the poor guy likes to put ketchup on his eggs he's out the window!? And you better believe there is a right and wrong answer to EVERY SINGLE ONE of these questions. Even the "ridiculous" questions.

Speechless.

[tehgoobster]

You are so right. No man (other than his own sons apparently) could come through this line of questioning and pass. Just no way. Those girls are doomed to be spinsters.

Well, judging by what meda wrote last week, it seems like the Botkinettes have had several courtship opportunities that they've turned down for whatever reason. I get the impression that they're probably pretty picky. Provided they don't have unrealistic expectations, I can't really blame them for being super, super picky, especially given their views on submission and obedience. Obeying their dad is all they've ever known, so they're probably used to it, but when they get married, they'll have to do whatever their husband says. That'd definitely be a pretty big change. Disagreements on certain issues aren't really too big of a deal among non-fundies who aren't expected to submit and obey, but I can see how small disagreements can seem huge when you're expected to follow your husband's lead in more or less everything you do.

[SamuraiKatz]

OK, what do you need to know about a boy:

major snippage......

bride price (yes kids, he said it, but he means the spiritual or physical capital the young man brings to the marriage)

So the truth is that Anna Sophia and Elizabeth are for sale to the highest bidder? Really? Wow....just....wow..... :o

[Karsaroni]

Well, judging by what meda wrote last week, it seems like the Botkinettes have had several courtship opportunities that they've turned down for whatever reason. I get the impression that they're probably pretty picky. Provided they don't have unrealistic expectations, I can't really blame them for being super, super picky, especially given their views on submission and obedience. Obeying their dad is all they've ever known, so they're probably used to it, but when they get married, they'll have to do whatever their husband says. That'd definitely be a pretty big change. Disagreements on certain issues aren't really too big of a deal among non-fundies who aren't expected to submit and obey, but I can see how small disagreements can seem huge when you're expected to follow your husband's lead in more or less everything you do.

True, but I got the impression that Daddy goes to them first to see if they're even interested and apparently this is when the girls gave their veto of the numerous suitors. Should those suitors have passed Test 1 from the girls, something tells me they would've failed the rest of Daddy's tests/questioning. I mean really... who could pass that line of questioning!? Also, the fundie circles these people run are really pretty small. I'm sure word has gotten around as to who these rejected suitors were. So what other guy (who may or may not be friends or at least acquainted with the rejected) would want to come in after that bloodbath? I'm sure there are plenty of other younger fundie girls for them to choose from.

[Burris]

I think asking a potential suitor about mental and physical disabilities, including allergies, is a little over the top.

I noticed this kind of thing in the McDonald Courtship Quiz as well. With all that talk of creating estates and legacies, I honestly think they're asking these questions to ensure a eugenic union. They can't openly admit to something like that, obviously, because it would put the lie to their claim that they leave everything up to God. (They certainly aren't the first to see disability as a form of pre-marital "baggage," at least on par with having had previous sexual partners.)

Disabled people are only good for serving as the objects of pity, and as a means to score brownie points with God. They certainly aren't fit to marry into families as wonderfully clean as those of McDonald and Botkin.

[Marian the Librarian]

And even more crazy: questions to ask a suitor and or the suitors friends and family

1. In what capacity or relationship have you known him? His family? 2. How long have you known him? 3. Would you say you know him well enough to share some observations about his character, personality, strengths and weaknesses?

Spiritual Life

4. Would you describe what you know about his

salvation and walk with God?

a. Evidence of salvation. (What makes you believe he is born again?) b. Theological beliefs. (Does he have any unusual or unorthodox beliefs?) c. Personal character. (Where is he in character development?) d. Lifestyle practices. (What do you see in his life that may be inconsistent with Scripture?) e. Faithfulness in church leadershp f. Prayer and Bible study. (What have you observed in these areas?) g. Personal witnessing. (Does he share the Gospel faithfully?) h. Spiritual ministries. (How does he exercise his spiritual gifts?) i. Spiritual strengths. (What are his one or two areas of greatest strength?) j. Spiritual weaknesses. (What are his one or two areas of greatest weakness?)

5. Would you describe what you know about his father's salvation and walk with God? (Use the same questions as in Question 4, but now in reference to the father.)

6. Would you describe for me what you know about his mother's salvation and walk with God? (Use the same questions as in Question 4, but now in reference to the mother.)

His Relationships

7. Can you describe his relationship with his father? Is it honoring? Is it obedient? 8. Can you describe his relationship with his mother? Is it honoring? Is it obedient?

9. Can you describe his relationship with his siblings? Is it harmonious? 10. Can you describe his relationship with his grandparents? Is it caring?

11. Can you describe his relationship with his friends? Doe he tend to be peer influenced?

12. Is he consistently faithful in fulfilling his commitments? Explain. 13. Has he shown a regular willingness to serve others? In what ways? 14. In what ways is self-centeredness expressed in his life? 15. How does he relate to authority in his life? 16. In what ways is he ever controlling or manipulative of others?

17. Have you ever seen or heard of him being unkind to others? 18. What kinds of situations cause him frustration? How does he respond?

19. What circumstances might make him impatient or angry? How does he handle them? 20. As far as you know, has he ever been violent (or even yelling)?

21. How does he deal with a broken relationship? Does he have any now that you know of?

Personal Habits Affecting Marriage

22. What is his practice regarding eating/food? Is his eating disciplined in choosing what to eat and how much? Do you know of any food oddities? 23. What is his practice regarding money? What are his habits regarding spending and giving? Do you think he would be controlling with money?

24. What is his discipline toward possessions? Is he very orderly? Does he ever seem materialistic? 25. What are his habits regarding work? Does he have a high standard of excellence? Does he ever tend to be slothful or a workaholic?

26. What is his discipline in studying? Does he read regularly, and if so, what? 27. What are his habits regarding sleeping? Is he lethargic? Are his sleep habits irregular?

28. What is his discipline with time? Does he follow a regular schedule? Is he productive? 29. What is his practice regarding personal devotions? 30. What is his level of personal cleanliness and hygiene?

31. Does he have any personal habits that might annoy others?

Marital Roles

32. What do you know of his beliefs about courtship and betrothal? 33. Does he tend to be more of a leader or follower in life? 34. As far as you can tell, how does he go about making major decisions?

35. In making decisions, what role does God's Word play? Is he selfless in decision making? 36. What is his attitude toward women? Is it respectful? Does he see them as possessions?

37. What is his view on the proper role of a wife? Is she to be his partner/companion or his slave? Is she to work outside the home?

38. What do you know of his views on divorce and remarriage? 37. What do you think he is looking for most in a wife? 39. How well do think he would provide for a wife and family? 40. How well do think he would protect his wife and family? 41. How do you think he will relate to his parents (and in-laws) after he is married? Do you see any potential for either rejection or dependency (apron strings)?

42. What has been his prior experience with dating and romance? 43. How does he relate to children? Is he affectionate toward them? Does he become irritated with them or ignore them?

44. What do you know of his views on child training, including corporal punishment? 45. Are you aware of his views on home schooling? 46. When he fails, does he accept personal responsibility, repent, ask forgiveness, and change? 47. Does he ever slant the truth for his own benefit? 48. In what ways do you think he may need to grow before marriage?

Moral Standards

49. What are his standards of propriety in dress? How does he dress? 50. Have you ever heard or known of any offensive language from him?

51. What are his standards regarding TV, movies, literature, music? 52. Do you think he would ever watch an R-rated movie? PG- rated?

53. Are you aware of any pornography in his past? 54. Are you aware of any alcohol, drugs or tobacco use in his past? 55. Do you know of any financial debts he has? 56. As far as you know, has he ever been in trouble with the law?

Miscellaneous

57. What is his attitude toward pets? Love 'em, leave 'em, sleep with 'em? 58. What are his political leanings? 59. What is his general attitude toward civil government?

60. From your observations, what are his interests, hobbies, talents? 61. What do you think he most highly values in life? What next? 62. Have you ever seen or heard of him spending money foolishly? 63. What two or three things does he tend to do in his spare time?

64. As far as you know, does he have any physical or mental disabilities or diseases? Any allergies? Prior or current health problems? 65. When growing up, what temptations or weaknesses did he exhibit?

66. What tendencies does he have toward intolerance, prejudice or racism? 67. What is his involvement in sports? Does he participate, attend games, watch it on TV? To what extent?

68. Recognizing we are all imperfect, in what one or two areas do you think God wants him to improve most? 69. From your experience, does he have a teachable spirit? 70. If your daughter/son were marrying this person, what cautions would you have?

Additional Questions for the Potential Candidate (added to those above):

71. What do you understand to be the Gospel? Please tell me about your salvation and walk with God. 72. What do you understand to be the role of baptism? Lord's Supper? 73. What do you understand to be God's purposes/priorities for the church?

74. What is your view of the Sabbath and the proper use of that day? 75. What is the present day application of the Mosaic Law? 76. What do you see as the man's role in the local church? Your own role?

77. What do you see as your wife's role in local church ministry? 78. How do you view age-segregation in the church (youth groups, Sunday school)?

79. What is your view on the celebration of Sacred Days (Christmas, Easter)? 80. What is your view of house churches? 81. Can you describe your life purpose, i.e., how you intend to use your interests, experiences, skills, and talents to serve and glorify God?

82. What role would your wife and children play in your life purpose? 83. What role would your job/career play in your life purpose? 84. What are your income producing (vocational) skills?

85. What is your attitude toward family (home) business?

86. What are your views on birth control and abortion? 87. What is your attitude toward adopting children? 88. What are your thoughts on alternative medicine? Vegetarianism?

89. What is the role of psychology in the life of a Christian? 90. Do you prefer to live in the city, suburbs, town, country, farm, seaside, mountains, desert?

91. Describe a typical week day in your life from start to finish. 92. Describe a typical Saturday in your life from start to finish.

With apologies to Meredith Willson and "Music Man" fans everywhere for the paraphrase, here's what I imagine Mrs. Paroo might sing to Pappy Botkin:

"I know all about your standards,

and if you don't mind my sayin' so,

there's not a man alive

who could hope to measure up

to that blend of Paul Bunyan,

Saint Pat, and Noah Webster

you've concocted for yourself

out of your fundie imagination,

your Rushdoony-d stubbornness,

and your liberry full of books!"

[Karsaroni]

I noticed this kind of thing in the McDonald Courtship Quiz as well. With all that talk of creating estates and legacies, I honestly think they're asking these questions to ensure a eugenic union. They can't openly admit to something like that, obviously, because it would put the lie to their claim that they leave everything up to God. (They certainly aren't the first to see disability as a form of pre-marital "baggage," at least on par with having had previous sexual partners.)

Disabled people are only good for serving as the objects of pity, and as a means to score brownie points with God. They certainly aren't fit to marry into families as wonderfully clean as those of McDonald and Botkin.

I find it extra ironic that despite Pa Botkin's best effort's, he still has no grandchildren! I wouldn't be surprised if he makes any future daughter-in-law's submit to a GYN exam pre-courtship!