More modesty rants by my favorite fundies

[fundyduddy]

2 of my favorite fundies have modesty rants posted on their blogs.

Candy has yet another post of why women should cover their heads myblessedhome.blogspot.com

and Susan has a rant about girls dressing sexy susangodfrey.com/homegrownsimplicity/?p=748

heaven forbid we women should actually defraud our men--lol :D

[Joykins]

and Susan has a rant about girls dressing sexy susangodfrey.com/homegrownsimplicity/?p=748

This got filtered by my work net nanny as pornography. :lol:

[fundyduddy]

This got filtered by my work net nanny as pornography. :lol:

I bet that would totally make her day to know that

:lol:

[fundyduddy]

my favorite quote is this one:

I grew up being told “if it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, then it’s a duckâ€. Well, if you dress like a harlot and act like a harlot, people will believe you to be a harlot. Sorry if that seems harsh, but it’s reality.

[clibbyjo]

Who says harlot?

So if I dress like a teen and act like a teen,then I am a teen? Sorry,I am still a 41 year old mom. Her logic is a little off.

[Kitty]

Who says harlot?

People who are too "sweet" to just come out and say "whore" or "slut."

[Austin]

my favorite quote is this one:

I grew up being told “if it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, then it’s a duckâ€. Well, if you dress like a harlot and act like a harlot, people will believe you to be a harlot. Sorry if that seems harsh, but it’s reality.

Oh, lawd. Someone should explain that the first problem in using this as a test of modesty is that a duck being a duck is an objective observation. One doesn't look at a duck and say, "Oh, there's an ostrich".

A harlot, on the other hand, is a completely subjective judgment. One man's harlot is another man's ideal bride. :D

[Guest Anonymous]

People who are too "sweet" to just come out and say "whore" or "slut."

These are the same people that will say "I'm praying for you" when what they mean is "Die in a fire"

[doggie]

looks like an idiot acts like and idiot you are a fundy

[ladypuglover]

People who are too "sweet" to just come out and say "whore" or "slut."

I say harlot all the time. I call my girl pug a harlot, a tart and a floozie in the jacuzzi all the time. She really is though... my little tart.

I also called my BFF a harlot this summer. It was pushing triple digits by 7 am and she said she was hot and was going to take off one of her tees. I said quit bragging and just show the world that you really are a harlot.

[Austin]

I prefer "hussy". :D

[Witsec6]

Oh, lawd. Someone should explain that the first problem in using this as a test of modesty is that a duck being a duck is an objective observation. One doesn't look at a duck and say, "Oh, there's an ostrich".

A harlot, on the other hand, is a completely subjective judgment. One man's harlot is another man's ideal bride. :D

Ironic that the bolded statement in the paragraph above this one advises AGAINST "slut shaming".

She's a nutcase.

[NurseNell]

Candy has yet another post of why women should cover their heads myblessedhome.blogspot.com

But by this quote on her page, "King James, 1 Cor. 11:15 - "But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering" it sounds like you don't need a separate covering. Right?

When I was younger we had to cover our head with a hat, mantilla, or little lace thing like a handkerchief. This was in the Catholic Church but Vatican II did away with that. You can still cover if you want. I only cover my head when it's bitter cold outside.

[Karsaroni]

Man, the fundie women just LOVE this topic don't they!? My theory is that they are 100% jealous that their lifestyle has limited dress and they can't wear anything without second guessing whether or not it will cause any of the men in their circle to "fall". I think it just burns them up that other women (even other Christian women that aren't part of their Patriarchal movement) can walk around in shorts, tanks and even wear bikini's on a beach (oh the horror!) without a second thought and they can't. God forbid other women don't follow THEIR self-imposed "holy" rules for dress. I also think that they fact that they are perpetually in a state of pregnancy (or post pregnancy) also fuels their anger on this subject, whether they admit it or not.

[Austin]

I think that their whole social circle is constantly judging each other and they have to somehow navigate this minefield where nearly anything can be labeled "defrauding". And I think it's stressful for them. In their situations, you never know if another woman (and it is almost always woman-on-woman aggression with this) is going to pipe up in ladies bible study with her "prayer request" for God to convict you to be modest and honoring to God, blah, blah. Or post it on her blog. Or run you down in the parking lot to deliver her speshul "Word from the Lord" :roll: I think these women participate in the modesty olympics because if they're out-doing everyone else, there is less chance that they themselves will be targeted.

In my experience, because of so many factors, these types are some of the nastiest women on the planet. In my fundie-lite youth, I saw this a lot, although I didn't always know what I was looking at. They are terribly aggressive with each other, and very judgmental. They just add "I'll be praying for you" at the end of everything so it makes it all okay.

In short, I really don't think this whole modesty brouhaha has much to do with men at all.

[fundyduddy]

ok, who from here posted this comment to her blog. :shock:

I bet you're one of those women who tear those "harlots" apart behind their backs. How "Christian" of you. This is just another way to judge those around you and find yourself superior to the rest of the world. Your low self-esteem is showing...

:clap: :clap: :clap:

ROFLOL!! :lol:

[takers401]

I don't agree that showing a little leg consititutes dressing as a whore and getting what you deserve. That stated, I do see a point to Susan's blog post. Yesterday I saw a 10 or so year old girl walking home from school in a mini-skirt, heels, and a tight fitting t-shirt. Honest to goodness, my first thought was "she looks like a slut" followed by "how could her parents let her out of the house looking like that" and ending with "Abby (my daughter) will never wear something like that". I think society has gotten so sexualized and that has filtered down to girls of a younger and younger age. When you have company's putting push-up bras on the racks intended for girls 9 and up there's a problem. When a sexy outfit that would look stunning on a 20 something year old is displayed in the girls section of Target there's a problem. I don't think we have to put our girls in ankle skirts and doubled-up shirts, but I do think we've swung the pendullum a little too far to the side of having little girls dress too sexy and too old for their age. Why does it seem like we're constantly pushing our kids to grow up faster than necessary? Let kids be, act, and dress like kids for as long as possible.

[Avalondaughter]

How does a harlot act and dress exactly? I suspect that there is a large spectrum of dress and behavior among ladies of the night.

I'll bet some of them will dress like fundies if that's what the customers are into.

[fundyduddy]

How does a harlot act and dress exactly? I suspect that there is a large spectrum of dress and behavior among ladies of the night.

I'll bet some of them will dress like fundies if that's what the customers are into.

so true. :lol:

Now she's replied to the comment:

Actually, I *TRY* very hard not to judge others and talk about them behind their backs. If I feel a Christian sister is inappropriately dressed I either speak to them about in privately and try to do it in a loving way, try to ignore it, or, I speak to our pastor about it. I don't think I'm superior to anyone. I'm a sinner just like everyone else in this world. I make mistakes and I make bad choices. I could never be good enough for Salvation, that is why I treasure the Lord's grace so much. I don't have low self-esteem, but I do try to have the poverty of spirit that the Lord requires us to have. Meaning that I KNOW I am a sinner and DON'T deserve the Grace He has given me. I mourn over my sins, repent, try to always be humble, I hunger for righteousness in my own life and I try to be merciful and compassionate to those around me...no matter the state of their lives.

So go ahead and think me a "Nutcase" or whatever, it honestly doesn't bother me. I'm just going to let it slide off my back and go on and live my life as I know the Lord wants me to. I think anytime a Christian stands up in a public way for what is right, they are going to get flack about it. Satan is just trying to slap us down using the "haters". I just decided that I'm not going to let him win :)

Oh, and if anyone else wants to disagree with me, go ahead. I honestly don't care and I don't edit or delete comments on my blog, unless it's obviously spam or it's filled with bad language. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me and wanting to discuss it.

[CanadianHippie]

What gets me about the harlot quote is her post is about girls. She pretty much call the 9 year olds from earlier in her post "harlots". Seriously? Who looks at a child and thinks "harlot!".

[fundyduddy]

What gets me about the harlot quote is her post is about girls. She pretty much call the 9 year olds from earlier in her post "harlots". Seriously? Who looks at a child and thinks "harlot!".

I think she started out talking about younger girls and progressed to all women in general. Basically judging all females on the way they dress.

If you dress in a “sexy†manner and allow your daughter to dress this way then you are sinning AND teaching your daughter to sin.

[Markie]

I was joking around with my niece and called her a little tart, so she laughed and called me an old pie!

[fundyduddy]

I was joking around with my niece and called her a little tart, so she laughed and called me an old pie!

Oh LOL! That's so cute!

I can't believe it, but it does seem that there is actually a fundie blogger who doesn't censor their comments (like Candy and Co. so often do!) Susan posted another comment that disagreed with her:

I think there are a few different issues here. I agree that the sexualization of young girls is appalling, but I personally think there is a middle ground. If you feel comfortable in longer skirts and so on then you should absolutely dress that way and feel good about it. But yet, girls in shorts and t-shirts, sleeveless shirts and so on, in my opinion, are not dressed inappropriately or immodestly and most certainly are not harlots in training and I find that suggestion offensive. They are simply active young girls living life. If a Christian brother is stumbling because of an eight year old playing tag in a pair of denim shorts and a t-shirt then he has serious problems and needs professional help and putting your little girl in a long skirt will do little to change the fact that he is a pedophile. It will also do little to protect your child from that pedophile. Indeed the more sweet, innocent and vulnerable the girl looks (i.e. a long flowered skirt and ribbons in their hair) the more turned on the pedophile may become.

If you are choosing to dress in a certain manner because it well expresses your faith that is one thing and a good thing. But to use this logic to suggest that such dressing is appropriate or necessary to assist men in their Christian journey is rather sad. That man is responsible for his own Christian journey.

As I type this post I am wearing shorts, a flowered blouse and sandals. I have a short hair-cut and never wear a head-covering unless I am skiing or biking and wearing a helmet. Most people in the mainstream society (of which I am a member) would not consider my dress immodest and certainly not sexy. More like the graduate student (doctoral work in theology) and mom of three boys I am. I consider myself a Christian, though not by your definition, but a more liberal definition. The Bible I read and understand (and have, at times read in the original languages) allows for a more flexible interpretation

And here is her reply:

/"But yet, girls in shorts and t-shirts, sleeveless shirts and so on, in my opinion, are not dressed inappropriately or immodestly and most certainly are not harlots in training and I find that suggestion offensive"

/

I have absolutely NO problem with girls wearing shorts and t-shirts or sleeveless shirts, etc. My issue is with children dressed in daisy duke shorts or mini skirts with their behinds hanging out or with shirts that are much too revealing. That is what I think it wrong. The example I gave in my post was about a little girl in a halter top that was so revealing that you could see her entire chest...she might have been walking around Whataburger topless. The other little girls were dressed appropriately in normal length shorts and t-shirts. I had no problem with what they had one...it was just the one little girl. I wear sleeveless shirts so I certainly wouldn't be saying that to do so is wrong. Not all of my skirts are really long either.

/"If a Christian brother is stumbling because of an eight year old playing tag in a pair of denim shorts and a t-shirt then he has serious problems and needs professional help and putting your little girl in a long skirt will do little to change the fact that he is a pedophile./"

I agree. The girls is not at fault in this situation. But I honestly believe that why take the chance that you child may draw the sexual attention of an adult male because they are dressed in inappropriate clothing. I am not talking about your normal length shorts, skirts, etc. In this post I am talking about clothing that purposefully is sexualizes our children (very short shorts, skirts, and things of that nature).

/"As I type this post I am wearing shorts, a flowered blouse and sandals. I have a short hair-cut and never wear a head-covering unless I am skiing or biking and wearing a helmet. Most people in the mainstream society (of which I am a member) would not consider my dress immodest and certainly not sexy"/

I have no problem with shorts, pants, short hair cuts or anything like that. I personally wear pants occasionally, when I feel it's

appropriate for ME. I do not think that what you are describing as your clothing choices sound immodest at all. I also DO NO cover my hair and do not advocate headcovering for women. I just think that women should dress in such a way as not to overtly advertise their sexuality. This doesn't mean you have to wear potato sack dresses or hide your figure. God gave us this figure so I don't think we need to hide it, but at the same time, I don't think we should advertise our sexuality either. *I in NO way think that all women have to wear dresses/skirts only.* That is just what I feel is right for me. If you're really interested in what I believe about dresses only you can read my post about it: susangodfrey.com/homegrownsimplicity/?p=468

[ems]

my favorite quote is this one:

I grew up being told “if it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, then it’s a duckâ€. Well, if you dress like a harlot and act like a harlot, people will believe you to be a harlot. Sorry if that seems harsh, but it’s reality.

Well, I thought that "Man looks at the outward appearance, but God looks at the heart," or something like that. But apparently I'm supposed to care what some fundie teen believes about me above what God thinks of me.

Quack.

[NurseNell]

I think society has gotten so sexualized and that has filtered down to girls of a younger and younger age. When you have company's putting push-up bras on the racks intended for girls 9 and up there's a problem. When a sexy outfit that would look stunning on a 20 something year old is displayed in the girls section of Target there's a problem. I don't think we have to put our girls in ankle skirts and doubled-up shirts, but I do think we've swung the pendulum a little too far to the side of having little girls dress too sexy and too old for their age. Why does it seem like we're constantly pushing our kids to grow up faster than necessary? Let kids be, act, and dress like kids for as long as possible.

I agree. I've seen 5 and 6 y.o. girls with pants that say "sexy" across the rear end. I have a 7 y.o. grand daughter who is 5 feet tall and has to buy her clothes in the teen dept. It is very difficult to find her age appropriate clothing. She has classmates who are average size who are wearing clothes meant for much older girls. It's sad to see.

Nell