Ken Alexander: Homosexuality is the worst of sins

[Koala]

Just in for Ken Alexander:

 

Homosexuality is "the worst of sins", and he didn't want his older kids knowing about it

 

 

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The last thing I would want my child knowing is about homosexuality in elementary school or Jr. High. Childhood is not the time to learn about the worst of sins.

 

On a side note, the ever intelligent Lori sees no reason for children to even know about evolution.

 

Lori Alexander:

 

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I don't know why children must be taught about evolution at all. I still don't want to know about it.

 

Lord help us, it's willful ignorance! The less your children know, the better.

[jerkit]

Lori’s stance on not even teaching her children evolution to say she disagrees with is so weird. How is she going to expect them to take her at her word if she leaves something like that out?

[Koala]

We have discussed Lori's homeschooling venture here in the past. I think she summed it up nicely in the comments:

Homeschooling was very easy for me! I made it that way. The children played a lot, ate a lot, read a lot, and did some math.

:angry-banghead: Well as long as it was easy for the Godly Mentor, that's all that matters. :pull-hair:

[jerkit]

She also didn't homeschool through HS, which I would think would be much more difficult. Maybe? I don't know, but it seems like it would be.

[FundieWatcher]

Ken didn't even address the comment he was replying too. The lady was saying `well you can't tell a 5 year old their family is wrong`. And that you can't hide that these families exist.

But Ken`s reply is off in another direction. How did this guy make it through dentist training?

[Four is Enough]

Shudder....

[Grimalkin]

Why would homosexuality be a worse sin than adultery? Or murder? Or torturing and raping children? Jesus never talks about homosexuality, yet it's the worse sin? what bible do you read Ken?

Ken probably justifies his creepy lecherous behavior toward his DIL by saying "at least I'm not gay!, I am just behaving like a normal man would!l

[BrownieMomma]

Why would homosexuality be a worse sin than adultery? Or murder? Or torturing and raping children? Jesus never talks about homosexuality, yet it's the worse sin? what bible do you read Ken?

Ken probably justifies his creepy lecherous behavior toward his DIL by saying "at least I'm not gay!, I am just behaving like a normal man would!l

Not just homosexuality, but fornication. I don't think the Bible ever says masturbation but that's kind of assumed, at least the way I've always heard it.

1 Corinthians 6:18-20English Standard Version (ESV)

18 Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin[a] a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. 19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, 20 for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

If you are a Christian, sins against your own body are worse than other sins. But, if you are a Southern Baptist, all sin is equal. I know Catholicism has mortal and venal sins. idk about other denominations or beliefs.

[BrownieMomma]

Oh and this...

1 Cor 6:9-10 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were.

This verse puts sexual sins on the same level with greed and drunkenness and slanderers and swindlers.

I disagree with Ken, mere woman that I am. I think adultery is far more destructive, esp to children, as they are often affected with their lives in turmoil from parental adultery. Homosexual sin does not even produce children, therefore the impact is lesser, really it only impacts the two people involved who are presumably adults capable of making of their own decisions and choices.

[browncoatslytherin]

Why would homosexuality be a worse sin than adultery? Or murder? Or torturing and raping children? Jesus never talks about homosexuality, yet it's the worse sin? what bible do you read Ken?

didn't you know? ken has a sooper speshul edition where everything applies to what he thinks exactly and there are no exceptions to deal with :roll:

[Anny Nym]

Lori Alexander:

I think that´s Lori´s state of life in a nutshell: Having a metaphorically finger plucked in both of her ears and singing "lalalala I don´t want to know about it lalalala!" in her head all day. If she just would REALLY pluck her index fingers in her ears - that would keep her away from the keyboard :roll:

[2xx1xy1JD]

Ken didn't even address the comment he was replying too. The lady was saying `well you can't tell a 5 year old their family is wrong`. And that you can't hide that these families exist.

But Ken`s reply is off in another direction. How did this guy make it through dentist training?

He didn't - he's a consultant who tells orthodontists how to set up efficient schedules.

[lilwriter85]

Ken didn't even address the comment he was replying too. The lady was saying `well you can't tell a 5 year old their family is wrong`. And that you can't hide that these families exist.

But Ken`s reply is off in another direction. How did this guy make it through dentist training?

Ken isn't a dentist. He has an orthodontist consulting business.

[Firiel]

Is it still homosexuality if the people just kiss and maybe do a little hand stuff?

Because it's not adultery if that happens, so...

[louisa05]

People like it if they can categorize something that they will never personally be tempted by into the "worst sin" ever. It makes your own life easier. A fundie-Catholic friend of mine (yes, there are fundie Catholics--temperament not theology) has declared that the three worst sins are abortion, homosexuality and contraception. She is a straight 43 year old virgin who has never been on a second date and thinks she doesn't know any gay people. It works great for her. She can be materialistic, shallow, greedy, and gluttonous herself because those things are not really sins compared to the big three that she will never deal with. It really helps with your self-righteousness if you can focus your moral outrage on things that will never affect you, let alone tempt you.

[usmcmom]

Why would homosexuality be a worse sin than adultery? Or murder? Or torturing and raping children? Jesus never talks about homosexuality, yet it's the worse sin? what bible do you read Ken?

Ken probably justifies his creepy lecherous behavior toward his DIL by saying "at least I'm not gay!, I am just behaving like a normal man would!l

Because if Ken has done it, it's not a sin. Remember pornography use is not a sin, either, according to the KLAV (Ken/Lori Alexander Version).

Note - The KLAV is more lenient, yet somehow meaner, than the KJV.

[browncoatslytherin]

Because if Ken has done it, it's not a sin. Remember pornography use is not a sin, either, according to the KLAV (Ken/Lori Alexander Version).

Note - The KLAV is more lenient, yet somehow meaner, than the KJV.

except that one time that lori referred to pornography as having a negative effect on marriage in the sooper sekret comment section of the blog. the klav is also rife with contradictions.

[Four is Enough]

People like it if they can categorize something that they will never personally be tempted by into the "worst sin" ever. It makes your own life easier. A fundie-Catholic friend of mine (yes, there are fundie Catholics--temperament not theology) has declared that the three worst sins are abortion, homosexuality and contraception. She is a straight 43 year old virgin who has never been on a second date and thinks she doesn't know any gay people. It works great for her. She can be materialistic, shallow, greedy, and gluttonous herself because those things are not really sins compared to the big three that she will never deal with. It really helps with your self-righteousness if you can focus your moral outrage on things that will never affect you, let alone tempt you.

Your "fundy Catholic" friend is a cherry-picking fundy, then... because her materialism, shallowness, greed, and gluttony live among the SEVEN DEADLY SINS.... for Catholics.. Envy, Pride, Despair, Gluttony, Sloth, Avarice, and Presumption are the seven deadly sins... she'd better re-read HER Bible.. and I would suggest she leave her parish, which is probably a parish attached to a major cathedral, where there is still a large presence of hide-and-tradition-bound nuns and priests, and get with a younger, inner-city parish, where people deal with real life situations.

ETA: I don't seen homosexuality on that list, do you?

[louisa05]

Your "fundy Catholic" friend is a cherry-picking fundy, then... because her materialism, shallowness, greed, and gluttony live among the SEVEN DEADLY SINS.... for Catholics.. Envy, Pride, Despair, Gluttony, Sloth, Avarice, and Presumption are the seven deadly sins... she'd better re-read HER Bible.. and I would suggest she leave her parish, which is probably a parish attached to a major cathedral, where there is still a large presence of hide-and-tradition-bound nuns and priests, and get with a younger, inner-city parish, where people deal with real life situations.

ETA: I don't seen homosexuality on that list, do you?

Oh, you don't need to tell me. I barely talk to the woman anymore since she told me the following things:

1--The best way to deal with my father's stage iv cancer is just to stay away from him because "it brings you down" and that's how she dealt with it when her dad was dying of a brain tumor.

2--I don't understand how "blessed" I am because I "focus" too much on the bad stuff (like my dad with the stage iv cancer) instead of just going to mass every day.

She is in Lincoln, Nebraska. The entire diocese is the fundie-Catholic capitol of America. All about following rules. They are now officially more Catholic than the pope.

[2xx1xy1JD]

I simply don't understand the "don't teach my child about X" mentality.

When I get a case, one of the first things that I want to do is find out what evidence and arguments will be used by the other side. Imagine a lawyer going into court, saying "I have faith in my client's case and don't need to pay attention to their case at all". They'd lose pretty fast.

I remember the angst I felt when I started university and was confronted with the Young Socialists advocating a position on an issue that I found deeply offensive. I was upset because I knew that the position was wrong - but I didn't have the knowledge right then to explain exactly WHY it was wrong. Instead (because I'm a nerd) I spent years researching the issue from scratch. It would have been nice to be able to respond right away, and not with "I'll get back to you in 5 years". Also, because I'm a nerd, I cared enough to actually spend all those hours researching. Most won't. They will either get persuaded, because someone else sounds knowledgeable and they know they are stumped, or they will keep their minds closed, sound like a fool and never be able to persuade anyone.

[2xx1xy1JD]

Can anyone give me a rational explanation from how this is seen as "the worst of sins"?

I know perfectly well what Leviticus says. In fact, I actually follow rules in Leviticus that Ken and Lori don't. That still doesn't make it the WORST of sins. It just puts it on par with bacon-wrapped shrimp.

This approach makes sense to me from an Orthodox Jewish perspective: http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists ... osexuality

How would that argument be seen from a Christian perspective? [The more I read here, the more I realize that I really know very little about how sin is seen and defined in various Christian denominations.]

[browncoatslytherin]

How would that argument be seen from a Christian perspective? [The more I read here, the more I realize that I really know very little about how sin is seen and defined in various Christian denominations.]

i think the brand i was in would have gone along with pat robertson on that. not that it makes sense, just that if any of the people i used to go to church with heard that, i can hear them saying "amen!" in response.

it's funny, because there are some contradictions when it comes to sin. at certain times and in certain sermons, all sin is sin, whether it's lying about something small, stealing a candy bar, or pre-marital/extra-marital sex, or rape, or murder. all sin is considered equal and equally horrendous before god. but then other times, certain sins will be picked out as if they are worse, and homosexuality (or any sexuality that isn't hetero) is usually a go-to. why it is, i'm not really sure. i was taught to memorize and parrot as i was growing up, not to question and think, so there are still things that, while i know them, i'm not quite clear on the reasoning behind it.

eta: although, for some things, i'm not sure there really is a rational, logical, or even semi-logical progression of thought behind the argument. it just simply is.

[polecat]

So, we were watching Doctor Who a while ago. And when Jenny and Madame Vastra mentioned that they were married, my oldest kid was, "Hey, wait, they're married? Really? Is that even possible?" My husband and I, assuming he meant the fact that they were both female, answered, "Well sure. Two people who are in love can get married if they want" (our state has marriage equality). To which he responded: "But Madame Vastra isn't a person! She's a REPTILE!"

So yeah. We answered the totally wrong question because we assumed he was confused about marriage equality when he was really concerned about the inter-species aspect of it (the same answer more or less applied, btw, lol). Moral of the story: My kids are smarter (and more open and accepting) than Ken. :banana-angel:

That said, if the gay people in question are Christians, doesn't that mean they're not sinful at all? Because according to Ken, that's what happens, right? Or is it just Ken and Lori who're perfect?

[browncoatslytherin]

Or is it just Ken and Lori who're perfect?

ding ding ding ding ding! we have a winner!

[FoxyMoxie]

Can anyone give me a rational explanation from how this is seen as "the worst of sins"?

I know perfectly well what Leviticus says. In fact, I actually follow rules in Leviticus that Ken and Lori don't. That still doesn't make it the WORST of sins. It just puts it on par with bacon-wrapped shrimp.

This approach makes sense to me from an Orthodox Jewish perspective: http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists ... osexuality

How would that argument be seen from a Christian perspective? [The more I read here, the more I realize that I really know very little about how sin is seen and defined in various Christian denominations.]

Personally, I think it comes from a post-Enlightenment and post-Industrial Revolution commodifying and idolatry of the heterosexual nuclear family by evangelicals, which ties in with a distrust of singleness and/or celibacy. There's also a degree of anti-Catholic prejudice - a celibate priesthood and religious orders are seen as harbouring homosexuality.

As an Anglican and someone who deeply values the consecrated religious life (ie monks, nuns, and consecrated single people* living under vows), I think both that and homosexuality are threats to the evangelical view of marriage because it (the view of marriage) has become so nuclear and individualistic. It's all 'me and my family' rather than seeing oneself as part of a community. I realise Orthodox Judaism puts great stress on community, although the emphasis on marriage (while understandable) makes me wonder who does the contemplative, more monastic roles in Judaism.

In the Anglican church, perspectives on sin are variable, but my own perspective would say that sin is what damages someone's personhood in the sight of God - so working to preserve the gap between rich and poor, and supporting greed and capitalism, are probably some of the worse sins for me. But I come from a anarcho-socialist, liberation theology perspective.

*the consecrated single life in Anglicanism is equivalent to consecrated virgins in Roman Catholicism, but those called to it do not have to be virgins and they can be of any gender