Any RN or Midwife fundies?

[FundieWatcher]

Are there any known fundies that are acutally nurses or midwifes? Fundies seen to make expection for women to get higher education if they study nursing or midwifeing (that might not be a word). But has a family or community we are watching had somebody actually graduate a nursing or midwife program?

I heard a Duggar girl was. I don't watch or follow them anymore. But that is the only one I know. And as intense as both of those programs are, I doubt she has finished.

[Rachel333]

I've read that quite a few orthodox Jewish women work as nurses, but their attitudes about women working and being educated are a bit different.

I'm not sure about anyone from the families followed here, but someone else may know of someone. It does seem like actual degrees are discouraged in favor of roles that require less education, like doulas.

[NotALoserLikeYou]

A lot of fundies have midwives in their communities. There are Amish midwives, trained locally. The polygamist flds have midwives and actually had RNs in their community and a nurse practitioner (they used to educate people FOR their community but now are even more isolated).

Jill Duggar is going to be a midwife. It's an acceptable fundie vocation and necessary. I have a friend who just attended a Christian midwives conference in PA.

[Minnesota]

Isn't Jessa training to become a midwife?

[Want More Babies]

Bambi, from In The Nursery Of The Nation, was a RN before she started down her, "Holier Than You" path.

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[Jana814]

I've read that quite a few orthodox Jewish women work as nurses, but their attitudes about women working and being educated are a bit different.

This is very true about Orthodox Jews. Many of the women "work in the world". Unlike the fundies who r against any woman working the Orthodox Jews want their wives to work & most do. My sister who's a teacher has a co-worker who is a Orthodox Jewish woman.

[terranova]

I live reasonably near the Cooperite Community. They send their midwives up here to get trained. As far as I know (according to my non-Cooperite mw), they get the same training as secular mws.

[Bethella]

I've read that quite a few orthodox Jewish women work as nurses, but their attitudes about women working and being educated are a bit different.

I'm not sure about anyone from the families followed here, but someone else may know of someone. It does seem like actual degrees are discouraged in favor of roles that require less education, like doulas.

Did anyone else see this? A new female Orthodox EMT unit is being formed in New York after the male Orthodox EMT unit Hatzalah wouldn't let them have a women's unit.

tabletmag.com/jewish-life-and-religion/173488/ezras-nashim-women-emts

[DGayle]

An RN program requires stating evolution as a fact. How can any fundy do this?

[SunnyAndrsn]

An RN program requires stating evolution as a fact. How can any fundy do this?

Huh? Never had to do that in my nursing school.

There is a big difference between a certified nurse midwife, who is licensed as an advanced practice RN with a specialty in midwifery, vs. a lay midwife, which is what I believe the Duggar girls have done.

[DGayle]

Huh? Never had to do that in my nursing school.

There is a big difference between a certified nurse midwife, who is licensed as an advanced practice RN with a specialty in midwifery, vs. a lay midwife, which is what I believe the Duggar girls have done.

One of my friends is borderline fundy, and she went to nursing school. She had a hard time with having to deal with evolution (like of cells, viruses, and such) that she nearly quit.

[samurai_sarah]

An RN program requires stating evolution as a fact. How can any fundy do this?

Well, if you're a Catholic fundie, it's not too difficult to get around it. I was taught, in Catholic RE, that evolution and the Bible don't contradict each other. In fact - wait for it- they're the same! You see, the Bible is a metaphor for evolution, but evolution didn't happen randomly, it was guided by a deity. Ta-dah! Problem solved.

No idea how you go about this if you are literalist. On the other hand, if I could learn to parrot whatever RE taught us, to get through school, I suppose you can do the same in any other discipline, without believing. That used to be my approach to maths. I understood nothing, but was reasonable at repeating. Now, maths is a hobby that I dabble in, because I love that moment when I go "oh, so that's how it all fits together". In a way, it's just like history, when you find that missing piece and suddenly, it all makes sense. But you can just parrot it back, without thinking too much about it, or secretly thinking "this is rubbish", just to fulfil requirements.

So, I suppose it's all possible.

[apple1]

An RN program requires stating evolution as a fact. How can any fundy do this?

The science courses may teach it, but there is no requirement (how could there be?) that the student acknowledge that is his/her personal belief. The student's head is his/her own business.

And much of the science is applied science anyway - anatomy and physiology, pharmacology, etc.

[Rachel333]

I assume you have to take biology for a nursing degree, and that includes evolution (you really can't understand biology without it). You don't have to declare that you personally believe it, but I do know people who have struggled on how to answer test questions on evolution because if they answered correctly that could be seen as affirming a belief in evolution.

I know a guy who is a fervent creationist and had to take a class on evolution for his science degree. He was asking for prayer every week because evolution was making too much sense for him and he thought that was the devil challenging him.

[NotALoserLikeYou]

An RN program requires stating evolution as a fact. How can any fundy do this?

Nah, you just ignore that part. Even in my geology class, where we were taught about how old the earth was, there were many people who just didn't believe it. I was one of them as I was pretty religious at the time. I don't know what I believe anymore as my faith background and rational brain are always battling.

[NotALoserLikeYou]

I assume you have to take biology for a nursing degree, and that includes evolution (you really can't understand biology without it). You don't have to declare that you personally believe it, but I do know people who have struggled on how to answer test questions on evolution because if they answered correctly that could be seen as affirming a belief in evolution.

I know a guy who is a fervent creationist and had to take a class on evolution for his science degree. He was asking for prayer every week because evolution was making too much sense for him and he thought that was the devil challenging him.

I started off in nursing school and had to take 4 biology classes. 3 consecutive classes and a lab. I actually have my associates in biology because that's what I had credits toward when I left the nursing program. Anyhow, I think you just answer however they want to hear and I do t remember a lot about evolution being taught. It was almost all body systems.

[CelticGoddess]

When I was doing my practicum (during nursing school) I spend one shift working with a student from BJU. She was fundie. I know that BJU is not accredited, and students who take the boards in SC don't have reciprocity. (Not all grads from BJU are fundie, I know some grads who are good nurses and drink like fish!). This woman was not able to do squat during her practicum. (No IV meds, no IV starts, no assessments. what was the point. I was pushing Narcan, IV lasix, IV cardizem, etc during my practicum. I also started as many IV's as possible.).

I don't know much about the BJU program but this woman seriously lacked skills.

[Jana814]

I know a guy who is a fervent creationist and had to take a class on evolution for his science degree. He was asking for prayer every week because evolution was making too much sense for him and he thought that was the devil challenging him.

That's nuts!! did he ever challange the teacher in what they were saying.

[Eater of Worlds]

That's nuts!! did he ever challange the teacher in what they were saying.

When I taught bio in grad school, all the undergrads were told at the start of their degree (in the beginning bio classes) that only science is taught here, and evolution is taught. They're told whether or not they believe it, they have to answer the questions on tests and write papers the way the subject is taught. If they have issues with evolution and need to talk about it, they are told they need to make an appointment with a professor or a TA, and not use walk-in office hours unless they set up the appt for that time. In the years that she has been telling this to her students, my advisor never had someone make the effort to set up an appointment to talk. I had an undergrad in my lab who was Greek Orthodox and her personal belief was that only microevolution occurred, not macroevolution. Meaning, cells and viruses can change over time but not whole animal bodies and therefore not groups or species of animals. We just said "hmm, really?" and went on with our work. Privately we all figured that if she was going for a career in the field she was doing her undergrad research in, that she'd eventually accept evolution or she'd drop out of that field.

[Rachel333]

That's nuts!! did he ever challange the teacher in what they were saying.

He didn't that I know of, but I've seen people do that in classes I'm in. In my evolutionary bio class I sat behind a guy who would spend the entire time looking at the Answers in Genesis website. I don't know if it was his way of passively taking a stand or what. Then in a Freshman anthropology/history class there were several students who would just surf facebook during the human evolution segment and I heard them talking after class about how they didn't believe they needed to learn any of that so they didn't need to pay attention. Once we moved past that segment they were actually attentive and taking notes. Very odd.

[Mama Mia]

When I taught bio in grad school, all the undergrads were told at the start of their degree (in the beginning bio classes) that only science is taught here, and evolution is taught. They're told whether or not they believe it, they have to answer the questions on tests and write papers the way the subject is taught. If they have issues with evolution and need to talk about it, they are told they need to make an appointment with a professor or a TA, and not use walk-in office hours unless they set up the appt for that time. In the years that she has been telling this to her students, my advisor never had someone make the effort to set up an appointment to talk. I had an undergrad in my lab who was Greek Orthodox and her personal belief was that only microevolution occurred, not macroevolution. Meaning, cells and viruses can change over time but not whole animal bodies and therefore not groups or species of animals. We just said "hmm, really?" and went on with our work. Privately we all figured that if she was going for a career in the field she was doing her undergrad research in, that she'd eventually accept evolution or she'd drop out of that field.

I'm wondering, how common is it that students don't believe in evolution that all of that policy is necessary? It would seem, to me, that it would be fairly unusual to get students who have a problem with evolution, particularly a strong enough belief that they would feel compelled to bring it up.

[DGayle]

The science courses may teach it, but there is no requirement (how could there be?) that the student acknowledge that is his/her personal belief. The student's head is his/her own business.

And much of the science is applied science anyway - anatomy and physiology, pharmacology, etc.

You don't have to BELIEVE it, but you still have to state it. In college, you aren't going to get credit by answering questions the way you believe. You answer them the way the material is taught. Since fundies like to be hardcore, how many of them would be willing to go against their beliefs to give the real answers? Surely they'd see this as turning their backs on their religion.

[OkToBeTakei]

To be a nurse or a Midwife you need to attend University and complete your degree.

You will usually need a minimum of five GCSEs at grade C or above (typically including English language or literature and a science subject), plus two A levels or equivalent. However, some universities may ask for three A levels.

Degree programmes comprise 50% theory and 50% practice. Time will be split between the university and practical placements.

At university, students learn about the safe and effective delivery of nursing care through a variety of teaching and learning methods, including lectures, seminars, presentations and tutorials. This includes practising on lifelike models which provides a safe way in which you can develop, practise and gain confidence in your nursing skills.

Students will study four main areas of competence:

professional values

communication and interpersonal skills

nursing practice and decision making

leadership, management and team working.

Generally 3 years in length but more commonly 4.

All nurses, midwives and other specialist community public health nurses in the UK must be register with the Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC). This is a prerequisite of employment and practice.

They must also maintain their registration by meeting the NMC's post-registration education and practice (PREP) standards. Not fulfiling the PREP requirements will cause registration to lapse and will not be to work as a registered practitioner.

After I trained I started pretty much at the bottom and worked my way up through the grades as it was then, gaining in experience and time. This is pretty much the way it still is and should be. Competition for Midwifery places is very high and is not something you just decide to 'be' as in the case of the Duggar girls. It frustrates me no end they misuse the term midwife when I see my colleagues having worked through their schooling to attain the grades required for Uni entry, get by the tough selection, complete their ordinary then master degrees, gain their experience hours in all aspects of pregnancy, maternity, delivery, theatre etc, etc. Post partum care, Health visiting and more, there is NO comparison.

There is no such thing as a 'lay' midwife here. Doula yes. Not midwife.

Most births in the UK are midwife led. During an uncomplicated pregnancy and delivery you may see your GP a couple of times and your Consultant maybe twice. Your midwife is who you see every month until week 30 then fortnightly then weekly, it is a midwife who will deliver your baby and come visit you at home every day for a week, then your health visitor. ( I stress uncomplicated, which is actually most pregnancies.) It is also the same midwives who will facilitate a home birth if desired.

So..yeah......................I'm not feeling it for fundy midwifery :?

[apple1]

You don't have to BELIEVE it, but you still have to state it. In college, you aren't going to get credit by answering questions the way you believe. You answer them the way the material is taught. Since fundies like to be hardcore, how many of them would be willing to go against their beliefs to give the real answers? Surely they'd see this as turning their backs on their religion.

I'm a healthcare professional - clinical laboratory scientist (formerly called medical technologist) of decades, with my degree from a secular university. (Back in the day, I took A&P and microbiology with the nursing students).

You stuck your neck out with a hypothesis about peoples' experience and actions on a subject you have no real knowledge about - as evidenced by the thread title of "any RN or midwife fundies?" I guess the definition of "fundy" varies, but the short answer is yes. And there is always the response of "the textbook states..." "according to the classroom lecture..." Believe it or not, most people in school to get an RN are not there to stir up a fight, nor to proselytize. They are after a degree.

[freedomjesusfootball]

I know there is one in my hospital. She's an ICU nurse, wears skirt scrubs with leggings underneath, doesn't wear makeup, and has super long hair. Thinking maybe she's Pentecostal?

Ironically, she is actually showing more skin than all the other nurses who are wearing scrub pants.