New Raquel Stuff

[ILoveJellybeans]

Haha this is reminds me of someone a 7th grader might do

This looks like the Bill Gothard equivalent of porn.

[Emme]

The denial is strong with this girl....

[Trynn]

I was lossless at 19 too... Because I am asexual.

[FJismyheadship]

How much has Raquel plagiarized the rest of the story? Is that the only line? Is there more?

[fiery redhead]

She tweeted a picture of herself with the hashtags kissless ladies and I am beautiful. At 19 I was a kissless lady too. This had nothing to do with me being super pure and godly and everything to do with me be socially awkward and poorly dressed so it wasn't like guys leaped to kiss me or even ask me out on a date. I did not feel the need to brag about it, though. I'm thinking her lips not being kissed is not because of purity either but because no guy has wanted to kiss her.

She has not removed the plagiarized phrase from her story.

Who knows if she's even kissless though

[formergothardite]

This is what she changed it to:

You really should stop doing stuff like that.’

‘Like what?’

‘Saying things that make me like you. And make me wanna kiss you

From:

You have to stop doing that.’

‘Doing what?’

‘Saying things that make me wanna kiss you.’

[Firiel]

god-sdaughter.blogspot.com/2014/05/facing-temptations.html

You know those days when you’re just like ‘Wow. I am so messed up’? ‘Why do I keep going back to what I know is wrong?’ ‘Why do I give in to these temptations when I know where it got me last time?’

You keep trying to get away, but only end up running in circles.

It can get to a point where it’s almost depressing. You keep failing in a certain area of life and you don’t know why. Well, you DO know why - it’s because you’re a sinful human being. But you wonder why you keep doing what is wrong when you KNOW what is right.

Raquel sexting again?

EDIT: Also, reading her romance crap for the first time. :ew: :disgust:

[FJismyheadship]

Okay that doesn't even sound good. She is using "like" too much. actually, she could have stopped at "You really should stop". Doing stuff like that is too much. Although, this is probably how I would write it.

"I wish you wouldn't do that"

"What?"

"Making me want to kiss you."

[formergothardite]

Isn't it still plagiarizing if you use the same general idea and just switch the wording around a bit?

[FJismyheadship]

I don't know... good question.

[Trynn]

I don't think so, at least, not when I was writing school papers. How else am I supposed to write the darn thing without Block quoting every single line of text?

[Firiel]

Isn't it still plagiarizing if you use the same general idea and just switch the wording around a bit?

It really depends. Characters, story-lines, chunks of prose... yes. What she just did would be frowned upon but not technically "wrong" in fiction (although the fact that it was plagiarized at first would make everyone lose sympathy for her). I mean, it's not like Everwood is the first example of a conversation like that happening. Same thing with tropes-- you (rightly) don't see J.K. Rowling getting in trouble for plagiarizing because Dumbledore is like Gandalf. With similarities, it's tricky... you know it when you see it, I think. "Making the poem her own" still is plagiarism.

In academic writing, it's more stringent. You can't just switch the wording around and call it good. You can't even use ideas or facts from other works (unless it's common knowledge that you knew before... a line that is sometimes tricky to decipher if you are the writer). But in academic writing, you can cite sources, so those ideas are being used-- they are just being properly cited and acknowledged.

SOURCE: English degree (in other words, trust what I said about academic writing more than creative writing)

[formergothardite]

I was thinking back to when I was in college and learning about how you couldn't just change some words around and copy a phrase from someone else.

[ari_belle]

I was thinking back to when I was in college and learning about how you couldn't just change some words around and copy a phrase from someone else.

Yeah, you'd need parentheticals at least.

[Magdelope]

I was thinking back to when I was in college and learning about how you couldn't just change some words around and copy a phrase from someone else.

I think so too. Isn't she still paraphrasing?

That's still not allowed, at least not in the academic world. I have no idea when it comes to creative writing.

[formergothardite]

If Raquel ever gets published(which I doubt she will, but a Christian publisher might take one of her stories) I could see it ending up like this book where a good bit was plagiarized from various authors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Opal_M ... Got_a_Life

[fiery redhead]

This is what she changed it to:

You really should stop doing stuff like that.’

‘Like what?’

‘Saying things that make me like you. And make me wanna kiss you

From:

You have to stop doing that.’

‘Doing what?’

‘Saying things that make me wanna kiss you.’

Technically she plagiarized me because that is how I misquoted the Everwood dialogue when I told her what she plagiarized :lol:

No joke

[Firiel]

It's a stickier subject with creative writing. I mean, flat out purposefully taking a line like she did and just changing it a bit is pretty clearly lazy/bad writing. But then, that's not an uncommon sentiment, and I'm sure it's been paraded in various forms in several TV shows, romance books, etc. So you have to allow for that. A book may have a sentence or conversation that resembles one in another book with no plagiarism involved because of cliches and such. I mean, even the stuff Raquel didn't plagiarize isn't new and has been written a million times. And no one is going to catch/care about one similar turn of phrase, especially a cliche one.

The issue come when there are similarly structured/written paragraphs like in the book mentioned above. And yeah, that's exactly what Raquel would do if she wrote a book. Because she thinks she's entitled to steal.

[Firiel]

Technically she plagiarized me because that is how I misquoted the Everwood dialogue when I told her what she plagiarized :lol:

No joke

She is so dumb and entitled. Like, she was funny at first, but now she's pissing me off.

[fiery redhead]

....except I didn't make that last sentence so long and convoluted. That was all Raquel (I assume?) but that first line is verbatim the sentence I accidentally quoted

[formergothardite]

It's a stickier subject with creative writing. I mean, flat out purposefully taking a line like she did and just changing it a bit is pretty clearly lazy/bad writing. But then, that's not an uncommon sentiment, and I'm sure it's been paraded in various forms in several TV shows, romance books, etc. So you have to allow for that. A book may have a sentence or conversation that resembles one in another book with no plagiarism involved because of cliches and such. I mean, even the stuff Raquel didn't plagiarize isn't new and has been written a million times. And no one is going to catch/care about one similar turn of phrase, especially a cliche one.

The issue come when there are similarly structured/written paragraphs like in the book mentioned above. And yeah, that's exactly what Raquel would do if she wrote a book. Because she thinks she's entitled to steal.

She copied a whole poem at one point and tried to claim it is hers, so I really don't see her writing a novel without plagiarizing. I don't know if she is just lazy or if she really doesn't grasp that she can't copy from others. The best thing for her, if she is serious about wanting to be a published writer is to go take some classes at a real college. She won't ever do that, though.

[fiery redhead]

She copied a whole poem at one point and tried to claim it is hers, so I really don't see her writing a novel without plagiarizing. I don't know if she is just lazy or if she really doesn't grasp that she can't copy from others. The best thing for her, if she is serious about wanting to be a published writer is to go take some classes at a real college. She won't ever do that, though.

College classes wouldn't help unless she got over herself. She thinks everything she does is perfect, and she does not listen to others therefore she'd be unable to better her writing. She will always be a crappy writer because she lacks the character to not steal and the humility to take criticism.

[Firiel]

She copied a whole poem at one point and tried to claim it is hers, so I really don't see her writing a novel without plagiarizing. I don't know if she is just lazy or if she really doesn't grasp that she can't copy from others. The best thing for her, if she is serious about wanting to be a published writer is to go take some classes at a real college. She won't ever do that, though.

Oh, I hope I didn't come across as thinking Raquel wouldn't or doesn't plagiarize! She's a hack and a plagiarist, and I'm not sure she's ever had an original thought in her life. If she ever went to a college class and brought the shit she writes with her, she'd be torn apart. And she'd never go back because she is just positive she God's gift to men/writing/the world/everything ever.

[FJismyheadship]

College English classes might help. Everytime she plagiarized something, it would show up when the teachers ran it through the websites they use (well, my Comp 2 teacher uses it, as do most of the other instructors on campus, but it may not be the same for all colleges) Anyway, after flunking a semester or being dropped for it, maybe she would see the light.

Or it would be all about how they couldn't see how amazing she is.

[nausicaa]

College classes wouldn't help unless she got over herself. She thinks everything she does is perfect, and she does not listen to others therefore she'd be unable to better her writing. She will always be a crappy writer because she lacks the character to not steal and the humility to take criticism.

Yes, this. English major/paid writer here, and first, I do think what she did is plagiarism. Second, college classes wouldn't help because of her ego. I've attended many classes and conferences where some of the people had Raquel's attitude. They were the next Faulkner just waiting to be discovered by an agent who was deep enough realize their genius. Anyone who critiqued their work or suggested ways to improve how they marketed themselves was a bad guy just out to get them. To be fair, I had that attitude around eighteen and nineteen. Then I grew the hell up (and ironically finally made some headway with my writing goals). It will be interesting if that happens with Raquel.

And it does take some level of humility to learn or improve at anything. One of my biggest issues with how fundies do homeschooling is that they seem to inculcate this arrogance in their children that deflects new ideas or the discipline to get better at things. If you want to be a writer/photographer/seamstress/chef, go out and do it A LOT and then have people who are better than you critique the hell out of it.