Kate Gosselin - Mother of the Year

[Ladycreo]

Took about 3 days to read all 19 pages of this thread. I've been watchin this family since it first aired. I agree with some and disagree with others.im not a good writer, and thought all over the place. Please bare with me!!

Personally, I feel Jon would be a better parent, he's been the primary parent taken care of those (6) since they were born practically. Regardless of the drama between them, he IMO suffers from severe abuse from the hands of Kate. I recall an episode when they went you shopping, and she was screaming at him all in the store. When they came out he pointed it out to her, he turned red, and was clearly mortified!!! As she berated him, he just shut up and did as he was told. He told her "you talk to me like a dog"!! Kate's ambition to become famous with the children, she's no different than many parents that pimp their kids for a paycheck!!! The thing is, babies grow up!!!

I viewed the Today Show clip, omg...poor Cara...the look on that child face was heart wrenching!!! Something inside of me went to a bad place, when Kate was barking at the kids.

Jon, I feel would give the kids a more balanced life with outside friends and extended family. Do I believe Kate has shielded the children and socially crippled them, absolutely!!!

I haven't read the free book on amazon and don't know of it's the original book or the re-released book. I do feel Kate has potential of abusing the kids emotionally and that's the worse form to heal from. Other than spiritual abuse (Duggars)!!! As a former federal LEO, I wish someone would have the courage to standup to Kate and report her ass if in fact she is physically abusive towards them.

Maddy, I can't stand that child, even when she was little. That's mini Kate. I've always felt the the (6) were just an extra burdon on her She always navigate toward the twins.

Has anyone watched wife swap? When she swapped with penthouse Kendra? I saw snippets of it, Kendra had them in the basement eating tacos..Maddy had a Kate meltdown with the mess left behind. Looking back, if (abused?) then her reaction made perfect sense. Fear of what her mother would say or do!!!

I will be watching Thursday with a more careful eye!!! Body language says volumes. As far as Jon, he's really trying. No he shouldn't go public as he's doing, but look at what he didn't know he was really Marrying!!!

The link....it's the free book, don't know if it's the original or re-distributed one

https://kindle.amazon.com/work/kate-gos ... G824/posts

[feministxtian]

The link doesn't work. Says "not available for publication in the US". Guess I'll have to hunt some more.

[NotALoserLikeYou]

So, we've got the new episode airing now. Kate is still a controlling bitch but omg Mady is horrific. She is so rude and has a horrible attitude. She throws tantrums like a 2 year old. Whatever Kate is doing is not working. She definitely needs some therapy to deal with her issues that have resulted from not having enough attention (little kids get it all), being on TV, and the divorce.

If anyone didn't watch it, it was pretty boring. They are at some soccer place playing and then go ice skating. The sextuplets are outgoing and sweet. They have a bird, a dog, 2 fish and 50 something chickens now

Tups turning 10. Having a huge carnival to recreate the carnival party they had on the show years ago. Its Kate's idea and the kids aren't into it. But hey, she's the boss.

To be fair, if I had all those kids I would be a disaster too.

Next week: party.

[Cheetah]

So, we've got the new episode airing now. Kate is still a controlling bitch but omg Mady is horrific. She is so rude and has a horrible attitude. She throws tantrums like a 2 year old. Whatever Kate is doing is not working. She definitely needs some therapy to deal with her issues that have resulted from not having enough attention (little kids get it all), being on TV, and the divorce.

I never watched this show when it was on in the past, but watched one old episode yesterday and then the new one.. I thought the new one was just going to be a one-time recap but it looks like it's going to be a whole season? Anyone know? I can't stomach it for long, though... Kate and Mady are just so unpleasant, even if the other kids seem sweet.

[tlcarlaw]

I never watched this show when it was on in the past, but watched one old episode yesterday and then the new one.. I thought the new one was just going to be a one-time recap but it looks like it's going to be a whole season? Anyone know? I can't stomach it for long, though... Kate and Mady are just so unpleasant, even if the other kids seem sweet.

It's just this week and next week. Hopefully they don't get great ratings so it doesn't turn into a regular series again. I didn't want to watch but in the end I couldn't help myself and watched most of it. I can't stand Kate and Mady is just like her.. ugh!

[Coconut Flan]

I saw a post elsewhere that said they got over 2 M viewers and beat Honey Boo Boo. I don't think that's good news for the kids.

[3 ring circus]

So, we've got the new episode airing now. Kate is still a controlling bitch but omg Mady is horrific. She is so rude and has a horrible attitude. She throws tantrums like a 2 year old. Whatever Kate is doing is not working. She definitely needs some therapy to deal with her issues that have resulted from not having enough attention (little kids get it all), being on TV, and the divorce.

If anyone didn't watch it, it was pretty boring. They are at some soccer place playing and then go ice skating. The sextuplets are outgoing and sweet. They have a bird, a dog, 2 fish and 50 something chickens now

Tups turning 10. Having a huge carnival to recreate the carnival party they had on the show years ago. Its Kate's idea and the kids aren't into it. But hey, she's the boss.

To be fair, if I had all those kids I would be a disaster too.

Next week: party.

Mady is her mother's daughter.

I felt so bad for Colin. I read the book when it came out the first time. I can't believe CPS wasn't knocking on her door. OMG! Poor Colin. My heart breaks for these kiddos. If this is what she puts out for the world to see how is she in real life, with no cameras around.

I can see Mady writing a tell all book when she's older.

[bionicmlle]

I watched it and was left with three main thoughts:

1) Kate remains an ineffective parent.

2) Mady continues to suffer from such ineffective parenting - her tantruming is out of control.

3) Kate's face does.not.move. Time to ease up on the Botox, homegirl.

[Curious]

I stumbled on a kind of interesting site today.

https://viaviewfiles.wordpress.com/

Anyone that has been following the Kate Gosselin Saga for any length of time will remember that she enlisted Bullyville to go to bat for her probably 18 months or so ago now (maybe a little longer? I'm not very good with time).

It seems as though James McGibney isn't very popular with the folks that run the above blog ;)

I found this recent post to be quite interesting though:

https://viaviewfiles.wordpress.com/2014 ... -our-blog/

Kate's fans are widely known to be "the worst" ones out there. In fact, I used to silently hope no one would start a thread on Kate because her fans are so rabid that I didn't really want to have to deal with them here. I, obviously, stopped worrying so much about that at some point ;)

It looks like one of her lead sheeple, CJWhodunit, finally crossed the line with someone that she can't bully into submission with threats to their family.

This should be interesting to watch.

For people that don't keep up with all things Kate, McGibney is the owner of Bullyville and Cheaterville (along with a couple other sites, I think). I think we talked about Cheaterville once before when we talked about revenge porn. McGibney also sued one of his co-owners on a site, Hunter Moore, who defaulted on the suit. The details of that suit are murky for me atm, however.

The attorney that McGibney used in that Hunter Moore suit is the one Kate used to sue Jon and Robert Hoffman.

[mygirlfriday]

I'm watching the special right now and I thought I would add in my two cents about Mady. Her attitude is horrible! It is clear to me that Kate has shifted a lot of her aggression to Mady in the absence of Jon from the home. (I'm not a huge fan of Jon, but Kate is far worse than he is).

If you listen to the conversations between Kate and Mady you can constantly hear Kate using emotional manipulations in her dialogues completely disregarding Mady when Mady is explaining her feelings about something. Kate even tells her ' we always still love each other even when you make me cry.' You can hear the quiet pain in Madys voice when she says 'do I make you cry' and then she nervously and inappropriately laughs . so strange! That to me was the oddest exchange. All of Kate's statements to Mady were I statements, 'I'm hurt, I'm mad, etc... Complete disregard for understanding Mady's emotions. I mean I get it, 13 year old girls are kind of a pain in the butt, they are awkward and hormonal, but Kate is the adult in the situation, she shouldn't be whining like a child to her kid about everything.

For instance, when they were planning out the trip to the soccer field. Kate tells Mady let's start over, and Mady quips , 'you say that but I'm still in trouble later'. Then Mady says 'you've been yelling at me all day.' And Kate quips, 'well I'm grouchy because your bad attitude'. It reeks of the old well. I wouldn't hit you if you didn't make me attitude.

Part of me thinks Mady is acting out so much because she realizes the cameras are there and that is her one chance to expose her mom, because Kate is going to 'try' ( well in her mind) to make things look 'perfect'. She is letting out all the things she can because when those cameras shut off, she's doomed.

Cara smartly keeps her mouth shut. When the producers are interviewing just her and Mady, Mady constantly mumbles and prods Cara about things say things like, "well you don't like it either" Cara gives her a STFU look. Cara even says Mady is the 'less smart one', Cara is like shut your mouth take it and this will be over soon. Such a sad life indeed!

[Curious]

I'm watching the special right now and I thought I would add in my two cents about Mady. Her attitude is horrible! It is clear to me that Kate has shifted a lot of her aggression to Mady in the absence of Jon from the home. (I'm not a huge fan of Jon, but Kate is far worse than he is).

If you listen to the conversations between Kate and Mady you can constantly hear Kate using emotional manipulations in her dialogues completely disregarding Mady when Mady is explaining her feelings about something. Kate even tells her ' we always still love each other even when you make me cry.' You can hear the quiet pain in Madys voice when she says 'do I make you cry' and then she nervously and inappropriately laughs . so strange! That to me was the oddest exchange. All of Kate's statements to Mady were I statements, 'I'm hurt, I'm mad, etc... Complete disregard for understanding Mady's emotions. I mean I get it, 13 year old girls are kind of a pain in the butt, they are awkward and hormonal, but Kate is the adult in the situation, she shouldn't be whining like a child to her kid about everything.

For instance, when they were planning out the trip to the soccer field. Kate tells Mady let's start over, and Mady quips , 'you say that but I'm still in trouble later'. Then Mady says 'you've been yelling at me all day.' And Kate quips, 'well I'm grouchy because your bad attitude'. It reeks of the old well. I wouldn't hit you if you didn't make me attitude.

Part of me thinks Mady is acting out so much because she realizes the cameras are there and that is her one chance to expose her mom, because Kate is going to 'try' ( well in her mind) to make things look 'perfect'. She is letting out all the things she can because when those cameras shut off, she's doomed.

Cara smartly keeps her mouth shut. When the producers are interviewing just her and Mady, Mady constantly mumbles and prods Cara about things say things like, "well you don't like it either" Cara gives her a STFU look. Cara even says Mady is the 'less smart one', Cara is like shut your mouth take it and this will be over soon. Such a sad life indeed!

Mady has had Kate's number for a LONG time. She understands that what is happening is an injustice to those kids and she's not afraid to speak out about it. Unfortunately, because she's a child and her whole life has been on TV she gets labeled a brat. I suspect Mady is probably the most emotionally healthy one of the kids because she seems to "get" what is happening is not normal or right. Cara does seem to have a higher sense of self-preservation, but it seems like for Mady her sense of *justice* is the driving force.

She probably learned long ago that there was going to be punishment if she kept her mouth closed or not, so she is willing to take the punishment if she feels like it's worth the benefit she gets from making her point.

We've seen Mady play Kate like a fiddle in some episodes. Kate deserves all the hormonal teenage angsty attitude she gets, IMO. Thirteen year olds should not have to parent their 6 siblings AND their black hole of need mother, as well :(

[Sarietty]

Mady has had Kate's number for a LONG time. She understands that what is happening is an injustice to those kids and she's not afraid to speak out about it. Unfortunately, because she's a child and her whole life has been on TV she gets labeled a brat. I suspect Mady is probably the most emotionally healthy one of the kids because she seems to "get" what is happening is not normal or right. Cara does seem to have a higher sense of self-preservation, but it seems like for Mady her sense of *justice* is the driving force.

I think Kate's relationship with Mady would be extremely problematic, whether or not TV cameras were present. Kate was herself a product of an abusive home, and it's clear she's still enmeshed in that dynamic. Expecting a child to accommodate her feelings and needs, when Kate doesn't show the same consideration for her children, is extremely dysfunctional. If Mady doesn't respond as Kate expects, Mady is labeled a failure. And Kate's expectations aren't based around Mady's capabilities. They're based on Kate's needs.

If Kate wants a different relationship with Mady, the onus is on Kate to model and facilitate that relationship. It may mean scaling expectations way down, in certain areas, while emphasizing others. That's not necessarily a bad thing. A grown woman's emotional well-being should not rise and fall with the whims of a thirteen year old girl. If Mady can't accommodate all of Kate's feelings, tough shit for Kate.

Looking at Kate, and her relationship with the people around her, it seems inevitable that there will always be scapegoats in Kate's life - people who touch the pizza with their bare hands, dare to comment on her parenting methods, or don't do exactly what Kate wants them to do, when she wants them to do it. It's a way of shifting the blame onto other people, so that Kate doesn't have to do the hard work of analyzing and changing herself. I just hope the kids get out okay, and have enough money banked to buy themselves serious therapy.

[Phoenix]

About half way through Robert Hoffman's book on Kate Gosselin. Hoffman makes his bias clear and he gives Jon quite a few free passes but he has enough factual evidence and eyewitness observations of Kate's behavior to make a compelling case that Kate is a narcissistic, greedy and manipulative woman who brought her children into the world to make her famous and wealthy. :disgust:

I feel sorry for her kids and hope they get the years of counseling they are going to need once they grow up enough to escape her clutches. :(

[16strong]

Maybe this is my own observation, but I have always thought that Mady was her mother made over. The bad attitude, the bossing everyone around, the constant need to have things her way...she may be smart and know how to wind her mother up, but she is not smart enough to realize that by doing these things, she is falling down the same well she crusades against. But hey, at least in the meantime Kate gets a taste of her own medicine. :dance:

[Curious]

Maybe this is my own observation, but I have always thought that Mady was her mother made over. The bad attitude, the bossing everyone around, the constant need to have things her way...she may be smart and know how to wind her mother up, but she is not smart enough to realize that by doing these things, she is falling down the same well she crusades against. But hey, at least in the meantime Kate gets a taste of her own medicine. :dance:

I think that was Mady's "character" on the show. She is a CHILD. If you wind a child up enough, of course they are going to meltdown. They are not meant to handle the situations those kids were (are) put in because they are children.

They are not meant to be parentified because they are children. They don't have any real ways to show displeasure other than meltdown because they don't have the communication and coping skills that (most) adults do yet.

Since the sextuplets were born, Mady's life has dramatically changed and no one listens to her when she tries to talk about that. Negative attention at least got her attention. If she is acting in the only way she sees modeled for her, that is not really her fault. I think now that she is older she understands that it's not normal, but she has to live in that reality for at least another 5 years. I don't blame her for using whatever coping skills she has to in order to survive.

[It'sFunToRun]

Mady has had Kate's number for a LONG time. She understands that what is happening is an injustice to those kids and she's not afraid to speak out about it. Unfortunately, because she's a child and her whole life has been on TV she gets labeled a brat. I suspect Mady is probably the most emotionally healthy one of the kids because she seems to "get" what is happening is not normal or right. Cara does seem to have a higher sense of self-preservation, but it seems like for Mady her sense of *justice* is the driving force.

She probably learned long ago that there was going to be punishment if she kept her mouth closed or not, so she is willing to take the punishment if she feels like it's worth the benefit she gets from making her point.

I think Mady is much more emotionally healthy than Cara. Mady acts out, and Cara suppresses. When Mady turns 18, escapes from that unhealthy environment, she'll have to work a little on being nicer to people and not throwing tantrums, but Cara will have to learn to stand up for herself and not be afraid of people being mad at her, which in my opinion is much harder and more painful to learn. I wish the best for both of them.

[Grimalkin]

I never consistently watched this show. I have seen her be a shrew to Jon but was completely unaware of how she treated her kids.

Who is this Robert and how would he know these details?

[silverspoons]

I never consistently watched this show. I have seen her be a shrew to Jon but was completely unaware of how she treated her kids.

Who is this Robert and how would he know these details?

Robert was a local journalist in PA. When the Gosselins got popular, national media wanted stories and pictures so Robert was hired to cover the Gosselins. Because as much as Kate wants us to thinks the paps hang out following her everyday, they don't come to rural PA. Robert followed the family almost daily for 3 years. He saw filming, field trips and every day life. While hanging out with the family, he says Kate was always in another room, telling the producers how to do their job, or on her phone. He did however say Jon was just a normal guy who would talk to Robert. Robert seem to be the closest thing to a friend Jon had inside is home.

So Robert has many first hand stories of the kids. He also has a copy of some of Kate personal (now copyrighted) writings. The story on how he got Kate's writing was Kate kicks Jon out. It is late at night and raining. His stuff was dumped in the driveway. Jon called Robert to help him. The next day Kate threw everything left into the trash and put it on the curb. Robert went back through the trash and grabbed some stuff including the writing.

[Ladycreo]

So, we've got the new episode airing now. Kate is still a controlling bitch but omg Mady is horrific. She is so rude and has a horrible attitude. She throws tantrums like a 2 year old. Whatever Kate is doing is not working. She definitely needs some therapy to deal with her issues that have resulted from not having enough attention (little kids get it all), being on TV, and the divorce.

If anyone didn't watch it, it was pretty boring. They are at some soccer place playing and then go ice skating. The sextuplets are outgoing and sweet. They have a bird, a dog, 2 fish and 50 something chickens now

Tups turning 10. Having a huge carnival to recreate the carnival party they had on the show years ago. Its Kate's idea and the kids aren't into it. But hey, she's the boss.

To be fair, if I had all those kids I would be a disaster too.

Next week: party.

Mandy has ALWAYS been like that, since the first came on. I honestly do not like that child :pull-hair:

[Ladycreo]

I have a totally random addition to this.

A girl I went to college with bartends in Wernersville, PA.

Guess who she just added as a friend on FB? None other than Jon himself...

TROLLING THE SHIT OUT OF HER PAGE.

Can you please pm me the link. Thanks

[Coconut Flan]

There is an article about the kids being on reality TV:

radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/06/kate-gosselin-kids-stunted-emotional-development-reality-tv-doctor-says/

“The reality about putting kids in reality TV is that there really is no positive outcome for these children’s emotional development,†Dr. Cornbluth — who has not treated the Gosselins — told Radar.

[chaotic life]

I have never heard that Kate came from an abusive background. She has four siblings that are normal, productive members of society and still fully in contact with each other and their parents. NPD is not normally caused by abuse. It is caused by abuse in the case of a scapegoat child of a NPD parent (like poor Mady) but it is just as commonly something that develops in children who have perfectly normal, healthy upbringings with a tendency to develop personality disorders.

[lilah]

I think Mady is much more emotionally healthy than Cara. Mady acts out, and Cara suppresses. When Mady turns 18, escapes from that unhealthy environment, she'll have to work a little on being nicer to people and not throwing tantrums, but Cara will have to learn to stand up for herself and not be afraid of people being mad at her, which in my opinion is much harder and more painful to learn. I wish the best for both of them.

Agreed. When cara gets maf enough she will snao. She has the pressure of bring the "good twin."

I don't think either of them wanted to be on the show again.

[Coconut Flan]

I felt watching the birthday special that a lot of it was faked. Making a cake with a bird on a perch beside you? I felt the bird was encouraged to land on the cake. That was made stronger when a bakery just happened to be able to make the exact cake Kate described by the next morning. The wind just happened to blow the signs into the pool that happened to have the gate open and they just happened to be making signs that were used on the front and side lawn out beside the pool gate? I'm glad the kids had a nice party but I wonder if the intrusion in their lives was worth it. It certainly seemed it was well worth it to Kate for her to get the opportunity to be in front of cameras again.

[chaotic life]

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/ ... ds-danger/

I realize for most people this may only be a blip on this woman's vileness. However, I have some information about these vehicles. Specifically, I know that Yamaha stopped production on the Rhino, the first of this class of vehicle *because* the roll over and injury rate was so high that they feared significant lawsuits. Their own international President came to the US to launch a model and rolled it and broke his leg in the thing. It wasn't long after that point they stopped production of it, despite how popular it was selling when they pulled it.

These things are unsafe for adults. They serve a purpose for people who need them as a TOOL, but they also pose a significant risk. To allow children that young into them is beyond negligent to me.