Kate Gosselin - Mother of the Year

[Curious]

I don't even know where to start on the things wrong with this. I wish more judges understood about parental alienation. I am kind of surprised she did this though. I never thought she would actually open herself up to the discovery process.

http://media.nbcphiladelphia.com/docume ... awsuit.pdf

It's interesting that she didn't report any of these crimes to the police when they happened (almost 4 years ago), but decided to file a lawsuit a few days before she is scheduled to have a book released.

I'm also not really sure about some of these charges since they were still married at the time. Is it really "hacking" if you access accounts that are marital?

[NotALoserLikeYou]

I don't think she knew about the crimes until the book came out? Then she knew Jon was involved. They were separated when he did this and so it is a crime. He used his own computer from his house to look into her accounts. I was able to obtain a restraining order against my ex for the same thing (woke up one day, couldn't access anything, everything had been disturbed and changed and nasty things written about me on fb, turns out there was spyware on the computer monitoring my every move for a year and a half. Long story short it was eventually dropped) and its not only considered computer fraud but in CA it is domestic violence.

I think what Jon did was like that woman who pretended to be a teenage boy to trick a teenage girl into love, but then dumped her and she committed suicide. They couldn't really prosecute her for anything except violating computer terms of service for lying. So he lied but he also defamed her, she could say he cost her her public reputation and possible income. According to the lawsuit he violated a lot of laws. I think they are both horrible people, honestly.

[Curious]

I don't think she knew about the crimes until the book came out? Then she knew Jon was involved. They were separated when he did this and so it is a crime. He used his own computer from his house to look into her accounts. I was able to obtain a restraining order against my ex for the same thing (woke up one day, couldn't access anything, everything had been disturbed and changed and nasty things written about me on fb, turns out there was spyware on the computer monitoring my every move for a year and a half. Long story short it was eventually dropped) and its not only considered computer fraud but in CA it is domestic violence.

I think what Jon did was like that woman who pretended to be a teenage boy to trick a teenage girl into love, but then dumped her and she committed suicide. They couldn't really prosecute her for anything except violating computer terms of service for lying. So he lied but he also defamed her, she could say he cost her her public reputation and possible income. According to the lawsuit he violated a lot of laws. I think they are both horrible people, honestly.

Well, it depends on who you believe. Personally, I think that if KG's mouth is open, she is lying ;) According to Robert Hoffman (as far as I am aware Jon has basically been silent on the issue), he got the items out of the trash after Kate was cleaning out the apartment over the garage after Jon moved out.

However, let's just say you are correct and she didn't know about it until the book came out (which is still untrue because she knew about it before it came out, tried to get it stopped and couldn't). Why didn't she report the crimes to the police at that point, almost 2 years ago? In fact, why hasn't she reported those crimes to the police INSTEAD of filing a lawsuit for $$ (and publicity) against the father of her children (which just *happened* to come right when she has a book supposedly being published)?

The Hoffman book hasn't been on anyone's radar for months and if anything, she is bringing MORE attention to the claims in it now than the book ever would have gotten previously. She also is opening herself up to discovery and potentially nullifying all those NDAs she makes everyone sign.

Her reputation was in the tank via her OWN behavior long before the book ever came out. How is she going to prove that a book that was available on amazon.com as an ebook for 2 days caused her any damage?

[formergothardite]

I think Kate is evil and Jon is a selfish jerk but slightly less of a horrible parent than she is, so I have a tendency to believe that she is lying. I think she craves attention and will do anything for it. Curious is right, if this wasn't about attention she would have reported these crimes to the police years ago instead of doing it right now.

[FreeJosie]

I don't think she knew about the crimes until the book came out? Then she knew Jon was involved. They were separated when he did this and so it is a crime. He used his own computer from his house to look into her accounts. I was able to obtain a restraining order against my ex for the same thing (woke up one day, couldn't access anything, everything had been disturbed and changed and nasty things written about me on fb, turns out there was spyware on the computer monitoring my every move for a year and a half. Long story short it was eventually dropped) and its not only considered computer fraud but in CA it is domestic violence.

I think what Jon did was like that woman who pretended to be a teenage boy to trick a teenage girl into love, but then dumped her and she committed suicide. They couldn't really prosecute her for anything except violating computer terms of service for lying. So he lied but he also defamed her, she could say he cost her her public reputation and possible income. According to the lawsuit he violated a lot of laws. I think they are both horrible people, honestly.

Agreed. Jon is more passive-aggressive in his asshole behavior, but he's an asshole nonetheless.

[Curious]

I don't actually think Jon is an asshole, tbh. I think he gets a bad rap because of the media and TLC and no one really pays much attention to what *really* went one with him (this is a bit of a hot button issue with me, so prepare for verbosity) ;)

Jon is a pretty laid back kind of guy. He was just a kid when Kate snagged him in her web. She had very definite plans of what she wanted from a pretty early age, by all accounts. She was, maybe not obsessed, but very interested in multiples as early as high school. She was definitely the pants in that family, as anyone who watched the show could tell.

Jon was a victim of domestic violence for 10 years. If Jon had treated Kate the way she treated him, there would have been all kinds of women's organizations screaming about it when the show aired, but because it was reversed nothing was said. She HIT him on national tv, ffs. She called them "love taps," but you could tell it was not a joking/playful kind of tap that normal married people might do to each other. She hit Emeril with a wooden spoon on national tv and you could tell it stung and he was NOT amused.

Jon wanted to stop filming at the end of the 4th (I think it was) season and she basically said that was not happening. They were already (allegedly) separated at the time they had the vow renewal in Hawaii, but she was willing to fake a happy marriage to keep the gravy train on the tracks. This is where the media got involved. Since there was still the guise of the happy marriage, Jon is made to look like a grade A asshole for stepping out on the mom of his 8 kids. K had the backing of TLC and their lawyers during the divorce and J did go a little buck wild for about 6 months there, but who wouldn't after living with her for 10 years. This is a woman that makes her kids recite what order to eat their school lunch in, ffs.

Once he got that out of his system, he settled down and since that time he has had 2 long term girlfriends. He and Ellen were together for about 18 months, I think. He and Liz have been together probably a year or a little more now. He has kept a pretty low profile. He got off twitter when it was just giving K more opportunities to get articles in Radar Online. He has the kids enough that the court has vacated his child support order (the sheeple will tell you that Kate graciously allowed him to stop paying child support, but anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together knows that a parent can't just tell the non-custodial parent they don't have to pay court ordered child support anymore).

K likes to act like he's dead and has nothing to do with the kids, but according to the locals that is far from the truth. He's very involved in their lives. He's keeping his head down, working a 'mediocre' job (what's K's job again?) and living a normal life.

It must take superhuman effort to listen to all the things Kate and her sheep say on a near daily basis, yet he doesn't say bad things about her in the media when he does comment. He could write the mother of all tell-alls, I'm sure. He seems to love his kids more than he hates her. She can't seem to move past the divorce. I think it was in the newest people or maybe it was on CWS, she said she was divorced in 2011. They were divorced in 2009.

What I don't understand is, people get all over Jon for his 6 months of sowing wild oats which started out while they were still married (but allegedly separated), but no one seems to bat an eye at Kate traveling all over the place 3 out of 4 weeks every month alone with a MARRIED man that she is making googley eyes at in every picture of them together, long before Jon did anything. A bodyguard that was supposedly hired because a strange man sat one of the kids on his lap, but yet was always off with K while the kids were often home alone with a barely out of their teens babysitter (post divorce).

[FreeJosie]

I don't actually think Jon is an asshole, tbh. I think he gets a bad rap because of the media and TLC and no one really pays much attention to what *really* went one with him (this is a bit of a hot button issue with me, so prepare for verbosity) ;)

Jon is a pretty laid back kind of guy. He was just a kid when Kate snagged him in her web. She had very definite plans of what she wanted from a pretty early age, by all accounts. She was, maybe not obsessed, but very interested in multiples as early as high school. She was definitely the pants in that family, as anyone who watched the show could tell.

Jon was a victim of domestic violence for 10 years. If Jon had treated Kate the way she treated him, there would have been all kinds of women's organizations screaming about it when the show aired, but because it was reversed nothing was said. She HIT him on national tv, ffs. She called them "love taps," but you could tell it was not a joking/playful kind of tap that normal married people might do to each other. She hit Emeril with a wooden spoon on national tv and you could tell it stung and he was NOT amused.

Jon wanted to stop filming at the end of the 4th (I think it was) season and she basically said that was not happening. They were already (allegedly) separated at the time they had the vow renewal in Hawaii, but she was willing to fake a happy marriage to keep the gravy train on the tracks. This is where the media got involved. Since there was still the guise of the happy marriage, Jon is made to look like a grade A asshole for stepping out on the mom of his 8 kids. K had the backing of TLC and their lawyers during the divorce and J did go a little buck wild for about 6 months there, but who wouldn't after living with her for 10 years. This is a woman that makes her kids recite what order to eat their school lunch in, ffs.

Once he got that out of his system, he settled down and since that time he has had 2 long term girlfriends. He and Ellen were together for about 18 months, I think. He and Liz have been together probably a year or a little more now. He has kept a pretty low profile. He got off twitter when it was just giving K more opportunities to get articles in Radar Online. He has the kids enough that the court has vacated his child support order (the sheeple will tell you that Kate graciously allowed him to stop paying child support, but anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together knows that a parent can't just tell the non-custodial parent they don't have to pay court ordered child support anymore).

K likes to act like he's dead and has nothing to do with the kids, but according to the locals that is far from the truth. He's very involved in their lives. He's keeping his head down, working a 'mediocre' job (what's K's job again?) and living a normal life.

It must take superhuman effort to listen to all the things Kate and her sheep say on a near daily basis, yet he doesn't say bad things about her in the media when he does comment. He could write the mother of all tell-alls, I'm sure. He seems to love his kids more than he hates her. She can't seem to move past the divorce. I think it was in the newest people or maybe it was on CWS, she said she was divorced in 2011. They were divorced in 2009.

What I don't understand is, people get all over Jon for his 6 months of sowing wild oats which started out while they were still married (but allegedly separated), but no one seems to bat an eye at Kate traveling all over the place 3 out of 4 weeks every month alone with a MARRIED man that she is making googley eyes at in every picture of them together, long before Jon did anything. A bodyguard that was supposedly hired because a strange man sat one of the kids on his lap, but yet was always off with K while the kids were often home alone with a barely out of their teens babysitter (post divorce).

I didn't care for Jon even before all of that happened. Neither one came across well on the show, IMO. Kate was outwardly aggressive and mean, and Jon was passive aggressive and childish. And he's only 2 years younger than Kate, so I wouldn't classify him as a kid compared to her when they got together.

I wish the best for all of the kids; they're adorable and seem to be well-adjusted in spite of their family dynamic.

[treemom]

I have no idea because I don't know them personally, but John has a job. That speaks volumes to me.

[formergothardite]

I have no idea because I don't know them personally, but John has a job. That speaks volumes to me.

He has a job and you don't see him trying to get back on reality tv. I think that he most likely has matured a great deal where she has just gotten worse.

And ITA with Curious, if Jon had treated Kate the way she treated him the screams of abuse would have driven them off the air a long time ago. I think that he was both physically and emotionally abused by Kate.

[laura oz]

Kate is totally doing this to extend her already overextended 15 minutes. I see her as the type of delusional personality that is always, "Ready for her close up, Mr DeMille." Please, God make her a bird, and make her fly far, far away :pray: I remember when Octomom did the Vivid Video porn.....Kate's more of a dominatrix...employment opportunity? :think:

[ljohnson2006]

Bravo, Kate! Every mother has the right to protect her children. Jon also doesn't pay child support, so I have no idea why people are supporting this douche bag. If he cared about his kids, he'd help support them. Team Kate+8 forever!

[treemom]

Bravo, Kate! Every mother has the right to protect her children. Jon also doesn't pay child support, so I have no idea why people are supporting this douche bag. If he cared about his kids, he'd help support them. Team Kate+8 forever!

And she would get her ass a job and stay out of the public eye. But alas, she has not.

[laura oz]

And she would get her ass a job and stay out of the public eye. But alas, she has not.

Word, treemom. She should have enough saved up that she could go back to being a nurse and support her kids and herself without trying desperately to be relevant or garner attention. Although, God, I would rip my IV out make some serious tracks if I saw her coming into my hospital room :auto-layrubber:

[Closed Womb]

I don't actually think Jon is an asshole, tbh. I think he gets a bad rap because of the media and TLC and no one really pays much attention to what *really* went one with him (this is a bit of a hot button issue with me, so prepare for verbosity) ;)

Jon is a pretty laid back kind of guy. He was just a kid when Kate snagged him in her web. She had very definite plans of what she wanted from a pretty early age, by all accounts. She was, maybe not obsessed, but very interested in multiples as early as high school. She was definitely the pants in that family, as anyone who watched the show could tell.

Jon was a victim of domestic violence for 10 years. If Jon had treated Kate the way she treated him, there would have been all kinds of women's organizations screaming about it when the show aired, but because it was reversed nothing was said. She HIT him on national tv, ffs. She called them "love taps," but you could tell it was not a joking/playful kind of tap that normal married people might do to each other. She hit Emeril with a wooden spoon on national tv and you could tell it stung and he was NOT amused.

Jon wanted to stop filming at the end of the 4th (I think it was) season and she basically said that was not happening. They were already (allegedly) separated at the time they had the vow renewal in Hawaii, but she was willing to fake a happy marriage to keep the gravy train on the tracks. This is where the media got involved. Since there was still the guise of the happy marriage, Jon is made to look like a grade A asshole for stepping out on the mom of his 8 kids. K had the backing of TLC and their lawyers during the divorce and J did go a little buck wild for about 6 months there, but who wouldn't after living with her for 10 years. This is a woman that makes her kids recite what order to eat their school lunch in, ffs.

Once he got that out of his system, he settled down and since that time he has had 2 long term girlfriends. He and Ellen were together for about 18 months, I think. He and Liz have been together probably a year or a little more now. He has kept a pretty low profile. He got off twitter when it was just giving K more opportunities to get articles in Radar Online. He has the kids enough that the court has vacated his child support order (the sheeple will tell you that Kate graciously allowed him to stop paying child support, but anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together knows that a parent can't just tell the non-custodial parent they don't have to pay court ordered child support anymore).

K likes to act like he's dead and has nothing to do with the kids, but according to the locals that is far from the truth. He's very involved in their lives. He's keeping his head down, working a 'mediocre' job (what's K's job again?) and living a normal life.

It must take superhuman effort to listen to all the things Kate and her sheep say on a near daily basis, yet he doesn't say bad things about her in the media when he does comment. He could write the mother of all tell-alls, I'm sure. He seems to love his kids more than he hates her. She can't seem to move past the divorce. I think it was in the newest people or maybe it was on CWS, she said she was divorced in 2011. They were divorced in 2009.

What I don't understand is, people get all over Jon for his 6 months of sowing wild oats which started out while they were still married (but allegedly separated), but no one seems to bat an eye at Kate traveling all over the place 3 out of 4 weeks every month alone with a MARRIED man that she is making googley eyes at in every picture of them together, long before Jon did anything. A bodyguard that was supposedly hired because a strange man sat one of the kids on his lap, but yet was always off with K while the kids were often home alone with a barely out of their teens babysitter (post divorce).

[Curious]

Bravo, Kate! Every mother has the right to protect her children. Jon also doesn't pay child support, so I have no idea why people are supporting this douche bag. If he cared about his kids, he'd help support them. Team Kate+8 forever!

Since you seem to have missed it the first time around.

He has the kids enough that the court has vacated his child support order

That means he is supporting his kids roughly the same amount that K is. Just because she likes to pretend that he doesn't exist or is dead, doesn't mean it's reality.

[NotALoserLikeYou]

I really hope there's some money left for the kids when they become adults. She bought the big house and all 8 go to private school which had to cost a fortune. When they were on tv earlier this year they STILL had a bodyguard!

I knew she spends money on herself, which is fine, she was on the show too, and wrote books and did dancing with the stars, but I really don't she will be able to keep up their lifestyle much longer.

Interesting Jon doesn't have to pay child support, Kate always says he sees them "two weekends a month"

I used to find the whole thing so interesting. She started off high strung but still loving toward the kids, and then turned into a total beast. Jon made some bad choices.... like I mentioned before, my ex and I went through a contentious time, but we both love our kids so much that we had to just do what was right for them. Now I invite him over for birthdays and holidays and try to make it healthy for the kids. I don't want my kids to hate me when they're older because of how I treated their dad. What am I going to do, punish him forever by being hateful? That's no way to live. I wonder if Kate ever worries about that, or if she is so full of herself that she doesn't think her kids would resent her.

[Rescinded and Mended]

Funnily enough, I started out with a certain measure of respect in the earliest days of the show (very early, within the first few months). She and Jon were having a talking heads moment that touched briefly on their bickering. She stammered through her defense of how she treated him, which wasn't too harshly at first, but at the end simply said, "I like you." To me, that was an indication at that time she was strong-willed and assertive, but not always good at expressing herself properly, and that she liked Jon enough as a person to want to make it work, even before loving him.

Now, of course, we know things are different, and she's an entirely different sort of mother and wife than we all thought. There are stories that her patients have told about how awful she was to deal with before the show ever started. And I do agree that Jon was portrayed in a harsher light by the media, when compared to Kate and her antics.

I always thought it was sad - if Kate had never found fame and fortune through her reality TV show, she likely would have been a much better wife, mother and overall human being. This is a pretty general statement, it could apply to anyone who ever became famous, but I don't think I've ever seen ANYONE ruined by fame and fortune to the degree that Kate Gosselin has.

[treemom]

I think if she had not found the fame there she would have worked and that would have made a difference. I don't think she was ever the easiest person to live with, but I think in the beginning, before the first plastic surgery and the reverse spiky mullet she was a much more real and complex person.

But I also think they both wanted the fame and money to make life "easy"

[Curious]

I think Kate had a plan from the beginning and Jon went along with it, probably initially by choice and later by force. Eventually, though, I think he saw that easier didn't mean better and that was when he tried to stop the show. I'm sure he saw the change in not only Kate, but himself and the kids. He said in a couch interview something like he wanted to go back to "just being Jon."

I've never been sure how Kate has been able to spin things as her being this super mom of 8 because even on the show that was NOT what was shown. Even on the show Jon was shown as the main caretaker of the kids and the one that did the majority of the work around the house. Kate sat her in "white thrown" (the plastic lawn chair) and told him what to do. When he was working, he would get the kids up and ready, then take her a cup of coffee IN BED before he went to work. She put the kids down for a 4 HOUR nap in the afternoon and handed them off to Jon the second he walked in the door after he'd been at work all day. He gave the kids their baths and put them to bed. This was shown on their tv show. Yet people say he was the 9th child and did nothing and she did all the work. WTF?!?!

She spent the majority of her time melting down about nothing, screaming at Jon about nothing and sitting on her flat ass in that stupid white plastic lawn chair. She never even played with those kids. Somehow (thanks to TLC and the media) this was parlayed into her being some kind of super mom.

Meanwhile, Jon is at home actually taking care of the 8 kids while his wife is off 3 out of 4 weeks on book signings with a bodyguard that she KNOWS Jon thinks she's having an affair with. If you love your husband and he's uncomfortable with your bodyguard (that you are alone with 3 weeks a month) do you did your heels in and keep him or do you get a new bodyguard that doesn't make your husband uncomfortable?

Kate is a media creation, plain and simple. Once she didn't have TLC behind her and handlers (which I personally think is the real reason for the "bodyguard") she got in one kerfuffle after another. I could list some, but who has that kind of time ;)

I think Kate has always been an unpleasant person based on reports from before the sextuplets were ever born, but if she hadn't shopped them and landed the show, she would have been forced to get along with people. That would have been good for her, IMO. She would not have been able to take her entitlement to such extreme levels and that would have been better for both her and the kids. She would have had to work with Jon and not just dump him when he became a speed bump to her road to fame (don't get me wrong, I think the best thing she ever did for Jon was divorcing him, but he apparently loved her and wanted to work things out and he absolutely loves his kids).

She is never going to forgive him for ruining her gravy train. It's been 4 years and she still talks like they were just divorced. In fact, now she is shaving years off to make it seem like the divorce happened 2 years ago instead of 4 years ago. Probably so she doesn't sound like such a lunatic for still talking about it all the time like it just happened yesterday.

The bottom line is that no one and nothing ruined things for Kate, but Kate. She has been given more opportunities than any one "mediocre" person has been given in a lifetime and she has ruined each one of them with her horrible attitude and sense of entitlement. If you are someone like Meryle Streep you may get away with acting like a diva (I am not suggesting she is a diva. I've never heard anything negative about Ms. Streep. I'm just using someone that is very talented as an example). If you are just a regular mom that happened to give birth to 6 kids at one time, though the marvels of medical science and you have no other special talents that set you apart from the average person, you probably should be thanking your lucky stars you are being offered all these amazing opportunities and act appropriately because no one NEEDS you or NEEDS to give you anything.

[formergothardite]

I really think that Kate doesn't like children and would have been happier if she had never had them. Anyone remember the one clip that happened right before they went on air for some show where one of the kids is crying for water and she tells someone to bring water and then SHE drinks it and the kid doesn't get any.

[Curious]

I really think that Kate doesn't like children and would have been happier if she had never had them. Anyone remember the one clip that happened right before they went on air for some show where one of the kids is crying for water and she tells someone to bring water and then SHE drinks it and the kid doesn't get any.

Absolutely. I always think, if she is willing to do what she was ON camera, what must she do to them when no one is around. She does seem to enjoy other people's babies and younger kids. I guess when you view them mainly as a meal ticket it's easier to see them as object/things vs individual little humans. She still sees them as a 'pack' vs individuals :( In her defense (such as it is), I don't think that's unusual for narcissists. Most of them don't happen to have sextuplets, though.

She tweets so much stuff that she thinks makes her look like such a great mom, but most of the comments from people that are actually relatively normal/sane parents just cringe.

Sometimes I almost feel sorry for her, but she has brought the criticism on herself, IMO. She refuses to listen to anyone and has had SO many opportunities that other people would have loved to have and could have done so much with and she has ruined them by her own attitude and refusal to listen. So I don't have any sympathy for her.

She has no problem spending loads of money on herself, but she won't spend a dime on those kids that she doesn't have to. She won't even take them to a movie or let them go to gymnastics or apparently have individual interests. I hope they have money left when they are 18, but I have serious doubts unless someone other than her is in charge of any trusts that they have.

[2xx1xy1JD]

I have enough non-celebrity cases in which ex-spouses hack computer accounts, misuse nanny cams, get cell phone records and generally use all sorts of devious ways to get information (often illegally) about their exes, that this wouldn't particularly surprise me. [Not all information is always obtained illegally - a surprisingly number of people don't realize that a cell phone or internet/email account may technically be under their spouse's account, or that iPhones may store all sorts of files in the Cloud which then get accessed from your family's other Apple devices, or that Facebook is not private, etc.]

If it's true, I'd say that nobody - not even if they were a bitch during the marriage - deserves an illegal invasion of privacy.

I do question the wisdom of the lawsuit, only because it could draw more negative attention.

[laura oz]

I have enough non-celebrity cases in which ex-spouses hack computer accounts, misuse nanny cams, get cell phone records and generally use all sorts of devious ways to get information (often illegally) about their exes, that this wouldn't particularly surprise me. [Not all information is always obtained illegally - a surprisingly number of people don't realize that a cell phone or internet/email account may technically be under their spouse's account, or that iPhones may store all sorts of files in the Cloud which then get accessed from your family's other Apple devices, or that Facebook is not private, etc.]

If it's true, I'd say that nobody - not even if they were a bitch during the marriage - deserves an illegal invasion of privacy.

I do question the wisdom of the lawsuit, only because it could draw more negative attention.

It's attention. That's what she cares about. Most of the attention she gets is negative, so I don't think she cares as long as the media is merely talking about her. Sad really, but that's what media whores do.

[Mela99]

I have no idea because I don't know them personally, but John has a job. That speaks volumes to me.

According to Kate that makes him the worse parent because "her kids deserve better than what a nursing job" will give them/

[formergothardite]

If the kids are in school all day, what does she do with her time?