"Don't Show My Son That"

[Haligh the Liar]

Reducing a woman/girl to her body sure is a great way to focus on her countenance and relationship with Jesus. Yay for consistency.

[Freed]

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I would also say that a. I am not worried that small children will get horny over seeing me in a swimming costume (what?) and b. Christians don't get to order the whole world as it suits them. Why is this mum asking all women, everywhere, not to do anything that might tempt preshus some time in the future to look upon a woman's thighs? Lady, I don't belong to the ridiculous interpretation of Christianity you do, and therefore I care not a button if preshus sees me in a bikini or anything else.

Just saying, JFC, you are quite defrauding! ;)

[pimpom]

"She's not allowed to see male parts!"

That's just....I have no words...

[No Cure for Stupid]

I don't think little girls should be running around in bikinis, either. It doesn't have anything to do with them being defrauding but more along the lines of growing up too fast. I think kids should be kids, and dressing little girls up as little women bothers me. There's only a short period of time where little girls can just be little girls without having to worry about looking like grown-ups, and the time frame seems to be shrinking lately.

[Anny Nym]

I wonder what Joy´s reaction to a Naked Hiking group or a Naked Rider (I´m sure there are proper english terms for but my leo.dict idn´t spill them out, sry) passing by her house would be :cracking-up:

And I assume, Joy´s no big fan of Saunas too, as there you would sit naked with female AND male strangers :shifty:

Or are there some "godly Saunas" run by Gothard, complete with little Boutiques where one can buy a modest Saunafrumper? (I´m claiming trademark on that, VF interns!)

[JesusFightClub]

Just saying, JFC, you are quite defrauding! ;)

I hope you're not going off my avatar! That's Felix Dzerzhinsky, who has been accused of many things, but "being defrauding" isn't one of them :dance:

I actually read one of those diatribes, I think by Lester Roloff's wife, which spoke about women who aren't conventionally attractive (I would include myself amongst this number). It said that older women and younger women who weren't very pretty should still cover up as we might upset men with our ugliness.

Right. Because that's No.1 on my "To Do" list. Do not upset men with the fact I don't look like Gwyneth Paltrow.

It's absolutely vital that men see me as completely desirable but hidden...what? I don't get fundies.

[polecat]

"Don't show my son your body."

I'm wondering what kind of mindset it takes to assume that every woman is dressing solely to garner the attention of *your son*. I don't wear bikinis because, quite frankly, I'd never be comfortable in one. But I don't care that other women wear them, around or not around my three sons.

As for the woman who freaked that her daughter might've seen a penis, f'real? They were at the zoo! Where penises abound! Was she going to hide her kid's eyes every time they passed a male animal? What about animals that were masturbating? Or, God forbid, having sex? (My husband and I still laugh about the noises Galapagos tortoises make having sex -- very funny.)

[Diana]

if you dont want that your son see normal people at the beach with bikinis maybe you should stay at home and not go on holiday to a beach, or go to the snow instead, there people will be very covered for sure. Or you can came here to spain, in a week your son will be bored of seeing boobies of woman doing topless and naked little girls, he is not going to see anything interesting in bikinis after that for sure.

[Andromeda]

I don't think little girls should be running around in bikinis, either. It doesn't have anything to do with them being defrauding but more along the lines of growing up too fast. I think kids should be kids, and dressing little girls up as little women bothers me. There's only a short period of time where little girls can just be little girls without having to worry about looking like grown-ups, and the time frame seems to be shrinking lately.

If we're talking about the kind that's shaped like an adult bikini, complete with cups for the boobs they don't have, I can see your point. But something like a tankini, I have on good authority from some mothers I know, is awfully handy when it comes to using the restroom. Heck, from my own childhood, I remember my sister peeing herself once because she had this tank suit with a lot of complicated crisscross strap stuff going on, and couldn't get out of all of that (especially since it was sodden from the pool by this point) in time.

[Jinger Jar]

My brother thought the streaking craze in the 70s was hysterical, and we had a devil of a time keeping clothes on him from the time he could take them off by himself until he went to kindergarten. Winter, summer, rain, shine, inside, outside, didn't matter: one minute he'd be playing with his GI Joe set, you'd turn your back for two seconds and bam!, off he'd go, buck naked, shouting "I'm a streaker! I'm a streaker!" When he was four he shimmied up a utility pole in nothing but his shoes, and our grandmother had to call the fire department to come and get him down.

I guess it's a good thing we lived on a farm in the middle of nowhere, otherwise God only knows how many ladies he might have defrauded with his ungodly nudist ways. :roll:

[Sobeknofret]

Overalls helped slow my little nudist down, but only *slow* him down. If I wasn't paying attention, he'd strip off in less than 30 seconds.

[dpndetfarm]

Didn't Adam and Eve just wear fig leaves? How did that get so twisted that now everyone needs to be totally covered?

My kids were virtually naked from birth to 6. Unless we were someplace where clothing was not optional they were always in various stages of undress.

Good grief. That poor kid.

[ADoyle90815]

If we're talking about the kind that's shaped like an adult bikini, complete with cups for the boobs they don't have, I can see your point. But something like a tankini, I have on good authority from some mothers I know, is awfully handy when it comes to using the restroom. Heck, from my own childhood, I remember my sister peeing herself once because she had this tank suit with a lot of complicated crisscross strap stuff going on, and couldn't get out of all of that (especially since it was sodden from the pool by this point) in time.

I agree that bikinis that are shaped like an adult bikini are inappropriate for little girls, but tankinis are a good thing for using the restroom. I also think rash guards are nice, regardless of gender as it provides extra UV protection, as the more sunburns someone has in childhood, they're at a greater risk for having skin cancer as adults. This is especially true for fair skinned individuals.

As far as the nudist stage goes, I have a younger brother who went through that stage so it's nothing new.

[J'ean Skirt]

She should read this piece (and frankly, so should everyone else):

http://bycommonconsent.com/2013/06/18/m ... d-modesty/

Oh. My God.

You knock on my door. You interrupt my day. Then you have the NERVE to get pissed off that I'm not dressed *IN MY OWN HOUSE* how YOU think I should be dressed? And how awful and horrible it made you feel?

Get A GRIP.

[luv2run]

My kids like to go to our local zoo where they have a river you can paddle in. One day one little boy (about 18 months old) was paddling in a swim diaper and managed (as they do) to remove it. A fundie family was walking by and the mother suddenly screamed (and I mean screamed) "Hannah look away, look away" and then proceeded to scream at the toddler's mother for corrupting her daughter "She's not allowed to see male parts! We don't want her to ever see THAT!" A very quick mother in the group yelled back "Are you raising her lesbian?" Of course, "Hannah" turned around to see what all the fuss was about and would probably never have noticed anything if her mother hadn't kicked up such a fuss.

.

Awesome. LOL

My six year old, who is autistic, randomly strips because of his sensory issues. I'm grateful he waits until he gets

home from school to do this, but we have see many twigs and berries here. My 12 year old daughter doesn't

think twice.

I would love for that woman to spend a day here.

The horror

[JaChelle Sugar]

[snip] I actually read one of those diatribes, I think by Lester Roloff's wife, which spoke about women who aren't conventionally attractive (I would include myself amongst this number). It said that older women and younger women who weren't very pretty should still cover up as we might upset men with our ugliness.

Right. Because that's No.1 on my "To Do" list. Do not upset men with the fact I don't look like Gwyneth Paltrow.

It's absolutely vital that men see me as completely desirable but hidden...what? I don't get fundies.

UGH yes. People of a female persuasion just can't win, especially if they're not 'pretty'. Mainstream society often communicates 'cover up, ugly/fattie, nobody thinks that's attractive!' and religious society says 'cover up, lest someone find you attractive!'

[Diana]

I don't think little girls should be running around in bikinis, either. It doesn't have anything to do with them being defrauding but more along the lines of growing up too fast. I think kids should be kids, and dressing little girls up as little women bothers me. There's only a short period of time where little girls can just be little girls without having to worry about looking like grown-ups, and the time frame seems to be shrinking lately.

you are right, when i see girls wearing bikinis when its obviously that they still no have tits at all, i also think how stupid it looks like, and is a way to sexualize them.. they should wear just the bikini bottoms if they are too old to being naked, I was like that my entire childhood and was a lot more confortable than using a swimsuit.

[Freed]

I hope you're not going off my avatar! That's Felix Dzerzhinsky, who has been accused of many things, but "being defrauding" isn't one of them :dance:

I actually read one of those diatribes, I think by Lester Roloff's wife, which spoke about women who aren't conventionally attractive (I would include myself amongst this number). It said that older women and younger women who weren't very pretty should still cover up as we might upset men with our ugliness.

Right. Because that's No.1 on my "To Do" list. Do not upset men with the fact I don't look like Gwyneth Paltrow.

It's absolutely vital that men see me as completely desirable but hidden...what? I don't get fundies.

Ha! No, I did actually recognize him (not of the Party myself, but several good friends who are). Your wonderful posts and manner of writing always make me smile, especially when you're talking about Small and Smaller. I can just hear the fondness.

I agree with No Cure for Stupid. It's just... weird and a little silly, seeing little girls in bikinis. I did mention this to one mom and she gave me a funny look and said, "But how else will she get an even tan?" :pink-shock: Welcome to the South, y'all.

[polecat]

Ha! No, I did actually recognize him (not of the Party myself, but several good friends who are). Your wonderful posts and manner of writing always make me smile, especially when you're talking about Small and Smaller. I can just hear the fondness.

I agree with No Cure for Stupid. It's just... weird and a little silly, seeing little girls in bikinis. I did mention this to one mom and she gave me a funny look and said, "But how else will she get an even tan?" :pink-shock: Welcome to the South, y'all.

A ... tan?! :shock:

Gah, I even make my kids wear tee-shirts when we swim outside in order to reduce their sun exposure by as much as possible.

[No Cure for Stupid]

I mean bikinis like adult bikinis: string bikinis and triangle tops and the such. Tankinis are perfectly fine, and I can definitely understand little girls wearing them. I wear them myself, not for modesty purposes but because they're comfortable, my chest is rather big to be in a tiny top without showing people a lot more than I would ever want to show them.

[AnywhereButHere]

One of the last times I was in a bikini was over 20 years ago. I had gone on vacation with my family to their place in Florida. A road trip with your parents and siblings, plus family friends, at the age of 20 something is fun, but by the end of the two weeks, I was done and not getting back in a car with them for the two day trip back north. So I stayed behind for an extra week. I was out on the balcony, sunbathing, enjoying my solitude and decided to take off the bikini top for a nice tan. I figured I was on the ocean side, 18 floors up, no view from any adjacent buildings, who could possibly see. I kind of fell asleep out in the sun only to be woken up by a squeaking noise and men's voices coming from near my head! Turns out the sound was that moveable scaffolding stuff (like window washers). I guess the building had a crew doing exterior repairs that day. Teach me to not read the building notices! Scared the hell out of me, and I flipped over to my stomach very fast. I must have looked like a pancake. :D I think those poor guys were more embarrassed than I was. We had very nice conversation though while they made their repairs and winched themselves on their way.

Damn. I guess I need to punish myself for defrauding them. Or not... :twisted:

[ems]

I don't think little girls should be running around in bikinis, either. It doesn't have anything to do with them being defrauding but more along the lines of growing up too fast. I think kids should be kids, and dressing little girls up as little women bothers me. There's only a short period of time where little girls can just be little girls without having to worry about looking like grown-ups, and the time frame seems to be shrinking lately.

I agree when it comes to things like triangle-top bikinis. It's not the skin that is the issue; it's the taking an item of clothing that was designed for an adult with breasts and putting it on a child.

That said, I have no problem with nudity or skin-showing of children. It's the associations of children with adult sexuality that concern me, whether it's people freaking out over a naked toddler or putting a string bikini (not an average two-piece) on a toddler.

[Minerva]

Until I read this thread, I thought all kids went through a nudist phase...

I agree when it comes to things like triangle-top bikinis. It's not the skin that is the issue; it's the taking an item of clothing that was designed for an adult with breasts and putting it on a child.

That said, I have no problem with nudity or skin-showing of children. It's the associations of children with adult sexuality that concern me, whether it's people freaking out over a naked toddler or putting a string bikini (not an average two-piece) on a toddler.

^That's exactly how I feel. I don't think I'd ever stop a little girl from wearing a bikini to the pool if that's what she wanted, but the fact that they're on the market weirds me out. I couldn't care less if kids run around topless of buck naked, but there's something about how a bikini with "cups" suggests boobs. It's the projection of adult sexuality on kids, pretending there's something that needs to be hidden.

[jenny_islander]

The gist of an article I read a while back that put it in a nutshell for me: Children have always explored adult sexuality in their own way and at their own pace, and with no actual adults involved. They try on Mom's makeup and Dad's aftershave, sneak peeks at Sister's spicy novels and Brother's picture porn, clomp around in borrowed high heels and make their Barbies "do it." But the instant an adult gets involved, it isn't a child thing anymore. It's something an adult wants a child to do. And that's wrong.

[Jen0925]

What bothers me most about stuff like this is that the writer doesn't seem to understand that some people don't see purity as a virtue. And are not interested in being "modest" to their definition. I think most people dress for comfort.