Shaking with anger - Kelly Crawford is awful

[boysmom]

I was wondering WTH she was talking about, some autistic test that costs 500 and has no name, and yet she's applying for medicaid at some random date in the future and medicaid covers all such things with no copay. As someone who works with and tests autistic kids for speech qualification, I found it awfully fishy, I must admit. I'm at least glad to know that there's not some poor child who will be stuck for life with her parents when this miracle treatment might have made her typical! (There's nothing that great out there, FYI, although I presume she means ABA, if she has any idea whatsoever about what she's talking about.)

[StarrieEyedKat]

I was wondering WTH she was talking about, some autistic test that costs 500 and has no name, and yet she's applying for medicaid at some random date in the future and medicaid covers all such things with no copay. As someone who works with and tests autistic kids for speech qualification, I found it awfully fishy, I must admit. I'm at least glad to know that there's not some poor child who will be stuck for life with her parents when this miracle treatment might have made her typical! (There's nothing that great out there, FYI, although I presume she means ABA, if she has any idea whatsoever about what she's talking about.)

I sort of regret that I wasn't keeping up on this thread. I'm an ABA therapist and would have loved to have thrown some questions her way asking WTF she was talking about.

[B5SnowDog]

Is it strange that I want to go through all her posts for hints of Elle trollishness?

Um, only if I am too for doing the same thing. :oops:

[rock_girl]

Wouldn't the testing have been assessments with psychs and development peads? A few visits and a report or two would easily cost $500, probably a lot more. I assume once she had an official diagnosis it would be easier to apply for government-subsidised therapy. Or not, buggered if I can tell what's going on with your healthcare system.

At any rate, Aria does have a kid to fuck up and you can pretty much guarantee that poor girl's not getting out of childhood without a fair amount of physical and emotional scarring. That's the saddest part of the whole story, or the funniest, depending on your level of internet induced sociopathy.

[ElphabaGalinda]

Just in the last few posts, she complained that baby dolls always come with bottles (a discussion Elle and I have had before) and claimed that antidepressants are poison.

I actually noticed the bottles thing and wondered if we had another poster LIKE Elle, but I never actually suspected it was Elle herself. She seems to have invented an extra daughter for herself and given this fictional daughter autism. The one daughter is probably real, but you never know with her. I'm glad she doesn't really have an autistic daughter (I hope!) , though too bad she actually does have a kid, and I'm glad no one actually gave her money.

[emmiedahl]

My son had to have a formal assessment this week to see whether he needed special services from a therapy center that serves children with delays. Medicaid paid for it, but I am from a state with very generous children's Medicaid.

The good news is that they do not currently suspect autism or another syndrome, but he does need certain therapies that he will be receiving for free thanks to the documentation from this assessment and various state/federal programs. I assumed she was talking about the same assessment. And I am fresh off the heartbreak of thinking your child may be facing some horrible struggles, so I think it was just the right story at the right time for me.

[boysmom]

I sort of regret that I wasn't keeping up on this thread. I'm an ABA therapist and would have loved to have thrown some questions her way asking WTF she was talking about.

Yeah, that would have made it more interesting. :) BTW, I read what I wrote, and I didn't mean that ABA doesn't help, just that there's no therapy for autism so wonderful that it's a guarantee to transform your child into being typical. From my research, I'd be pursuing ABA if I had a child with autism. I had to argue the con side of it too in a debate, and it was quite difficult arguing the opposite of what I really thought!

As far as needing an assessment to qualify for services, I agree that that could be important, but it would be covered by medicaid, AND the schools are required to provide it anyway, at least to qualify for school based services. And, even if you get a private eval, the school is NOT required to provide services based on that, they can and will do their own evaluation and determine what will be offered. Not to mention, full private assessments cost more in the thousand's range than the hundreds.

[Anxious Girl]

Damn, Elle sure does like to try, try and try again. Seriously Alecto and everyone, how did you find out it's her?

[Witsec7]

This. And adding even more to the billionaires' stockpile is taking money out of the economy permanently. No one can convince me that someone like Mitt Romney even NEEDS the money he's making every year, yet we've got politicians wanting to eliminate the capital gains taxes he pays. If you keep adding grain to silos and never cycle it, it's going to go bad and then no one will benefit. Only think about that as dollars in his foreign bank accounts.

The working class busts butt so that billionaires can get richer while we struggle to make it to the next paycheck. We struggle with bad roads, schools without enough textbooks, and trying to decide which utility we can go without to pay a doctor. I can't pity those on socialized countries who have good schools and roads, enough emergency personnel that a call to 911 goes to a person instead of immediately being put on hold, and who can see doctors without risking their ability to pay for their homes.

I lost my parents because I had to wait on hold for several minutes until there was a 911 operator available to take my call. There was so much blood, and it was hold music when I called 911. There's a movie, I think Princess Diaries, where a nun calls 911 and said to the other something about being oh hold. It's funny until it happens and by the time help arrives, you get told a few minutes sooner and there as a chance the outcome could have been different, only you were on hold longer than that.

And then the costs of dealing with that, the ambulance bills I got stuck with because insurance doesn't always cover it and I was the one who called and so am considered the authorizing party, funeral stuff that was still a lot even with cremation, it sank me. My husband and I are still struggling to get back on our feet. Only a year ago we got out from under the mountain of debt that didn't even go on our credit as stuff with monthly payments (but not paying would have gone on there), and then got sunk with an ER bill and now the costs associated with an autistic child. Child care for one autistic child so I can get a job would cost more than I'd make.

In a county like Sweden my family would have support, but instead I spend a lot of mights crying because I don't know what we're going to do a lot of day, and now I don't know what to do about Christmas because we can't afford a tree, and I have to try to make myself feel better by remembering that there are millions of people in this country worse off, and then that makes me sad and angry because our life is hard enough that I feel bad for those worse off, and then I get very angry at the millionaires and richer wanting to cut what services the poor can get that is rarely enough so they can pay less taxes.

People in countries with good schools, health care, paid maternity leave, mandated paid employee vacations, medical care, and a system that is just plain more solvent than the US who want to complain about it really make me furious! Come live in my shoes for 3 days, just 72 hours, and then tell me having support is such a bad thing.

I'm really in a bad mood because I just found out that it's been decided that we make too much for financial help for some testing our autistic one needs. Our government has such low limits and really thinks $8 an hour is a living wage when their rich buddies bleed people for rents. We don't have the $500 for the testing, and the school won't pay for it. Because of her age, without the testing which is stuff to back up that her autism isn't caused by any medical disorder instead, she'll still get some services geared toward general developmental delays, but not the specialized help she needs. It would sure be nice to understand what our pre-schooler is trying to tell us. But because we don't have so much socialism, she gets to languish until we can figure out how to carve $500 out of the budget that's already right enough we can't do a single thing for our kids for Christmas.

Welcome to America. Quit complaining about how socialism and health care for all is a bad thing. Look what life is like without socialized health care.

This is such classic Elle. But hindsight is 20/20.

[darkplumaged]

Oh, so now her parents were--what, murdered? I thought she has a crazy-but-very-much-alive mom who was attacked and... oh, I don't even remember. :roll:

[Witsec7]

Oh, so now her parents were--what, murdered? I thought she has a crazy-but-very-much-alive mom who was attacked and... oh, I don't even remember. :roll:

Depending on the version, dad died in prison or...

[emmiedahl]

Depending on the version, dad died in prison or...

In one version, the mother was still alive and practically stalking Aria/Elle. The dad killed himself. http://talesoftheclementsfamily.blogspot.com/

Mother, read this

I refuse to deal with your delusional and emotional abuse and thinking the world owes you something. You don't get to turn gifts that were given in thanks for the financial help I've given over the years into a loan and then into not even that when it suits you. It doesn't work that way. Over the years I've given I don't even know how many thousands at this point in addition to putting my life on hold and moving you whenever you go off and get evicted, trying to keep a roof over your head even when it meant moving you in with me, multiples times in a year, and giving you chances repeatedly even after I have to call the cops on you for getting violent and threatening to kill me, and then repeating the threat in front go the cops resulting in you being put on a psychiatric hold. My family ran out the door so fast when you got in trouble, even when I told you you needed to get out of Richard's house, that we even left our breakfast on the couch. We didn't spare a few seconds to clean up before rushing to your rescue. We even got you a cell phone on our credit, which you took to Winton with you and let Richard run up charges on. We're out several hundred dollars for that alone and are still paying on your line, though we've had it shut off. And we're out the phone as well.

You like to say Dad's the one who kicked me out days after I got out of the hospital, but it was you, and you kicked me out for being "lazy" for not folding laundry three days after getting out of the hospital. You might remember how I nearly died and was in the ICU for a while and by the time you kicked me out, I was only walking again for about a week. Dad wasn't even home. You did it, and when I asked to wait for Dad to get home, YOU said no.

Everyone knows you were whoring yourself out for alcohol. Dad carefully watched the bank accounts and credit cards, and no money was missing, yet every week there were reliably more than a dozen bottles of fifths of vodka tossed out the window on the side of the house. Do you think they magically disappeared? You and the manager at the 7-11 were a bit too cozy. Dad quietly accepted the burden of an adulterous wife because he didn't want to give up. But he talked to me. A lot. Every day on his lunch break he'd call, when he'd get home he'd call, sometimes before going inside. Quite often in the middle of the night, he's call. He didn't know what to do about you and didn't want to quit. He wanted you back the way you used to be.

You talked a lot of shit about me until he'd start to believe it, then feel guilty, and confess to me. You fucked him up. You tried driving a wedge between everyone you know trying to make us all trust you and only you. You broke so many people apart. You told me his family all wanted me aborted, which I found out was a LIE. It never made sense why Grandma would have wanted me aborted if she was standing proudly in the hospital looking at me through the nursery window. Yet you smack-talked me to try making him think I was a leach (from what I've been able to gather, he repeated this to his family), and he felt bad when he'd start believing it, and he told me, and apologized. You smack-talked him too, claiming he wanted me aborted and never wanted me and claimed he beat the shit out of me as a toddler because I cried. You made me believe for the longest time that he abused me.

He couldn't take it, and finally killed himself. And you turned to me to pick up the pieces. Do you really think that $10,000 in life insurance paid your $1,300/mo rent for two years until you had to move out and into that apartment? For fuck's sake, I was living behind buildings sleeping wherever I was reasonably covered, yet the money I earned went to taking care of YOU (the homeless one had a legit job, and the one with a house with a nursing degree wouldn't work!) until I finally got a roommate and moved into an apartment. And even then, I still paid for you. When you got evicted from your apartment, my husband and I paid for you to move, set you up with food and a cell phone on our tab (only the first time we did this), and you bitched that you weren't in your very own apartment in the Bay Area.

I've put you first for far too long. I've put you first even when it hurt me, even when it meant remaining homeless myself to keep you in your own 3-bedroom house, even when it meant my husband and me nearly getting evicted, when it meant taking my daughter to a dangerous place to once again rescue you. Since my teen years, YOU came first because you made me feel obligated for not aborting the baby Dad and his family all wanted aborted (only they didn't really, you just lied).

When you got your DUI when I was just 18, I could have left you in jail, but I took on the legal responsibility for you, putting myself at risk if you didn't do what you were supposed to do. I covered for your ass when you did bad shit.

When you used my ID, I accepted it instead of turning you in. When you somehow got bills of yours from the county put in my name so it took our tax refund, I sighed and did nothing because I don't want to know what you did in my name that our tax refund was intercepted. I hope to the gods you didn't break the law in my name. I wish I could change my social security number since I'm not comfortable with you having that, knowing how dishonest you are and how you'll let others take the fall and lose the respect of their family and friends. You threw me under the bus more than once and I covered for you because I felt more loyalty to you than to anyone else, even myself, because you made me feel I owed it to you because you made me believe all my life you were the only one who wanted me born.

Yet you're trying to say I owe you and that I'm gong to regret it and you're going to take me down? After how many TENS of thousands I've given you, even when I had no home? Converting a gift into a loan and then claiming it wasn't even a loan? For all I've done for you is the reason you gave me a part of the money you got, saying it was as a thank you and to help us get some stability for Charlotte when we lost our home last year, after using how much money just the prior six months on trying to keep you sheltered and moving you hundreds of miles whenever you wanted to move? You offered me all the money you got, confident a lot more was coming, and I said no. The few thousand I finally accepted is nothing compared to what I've given you, even when I had nothing to spare. Even when I was sleeping behind buildings, I was using what money I had coming in to keep YOU in a 3-bedroom house that you lived in by yourself and wouldn't let me live in.

And then you topped it off by telling me you were going to call the cops and tell them we're abusing our daughter so she'll be taken away and be given to you if we didn't immediately give you $1,000. You are so hateful and spiteful that you were willing to rip a toddler's life apart. You were willing to use her as a pawn to hurt us if we didn't pay you to not hurt her. How heartless can you possibly be? You'd have to learn to love others just to work your way up to heartless. One of the most evil things someone can do is to try to hurt a child to hurt the parents. You were willing to try getting her taken away and taken to a town where you know as well as I do that she would be hurt by the druggies you hang out with. You know as well as I do that Richard and his asshole friends would molest her or worse, and you were willing to try it just to hurt me. That is what sealed your fate and permanently killed you out of my life.

You are a sick, disgusting person and a liar. How many people now have you claimed have stolen from you, beaten you, and raped you? Just about every person you know you've claimed has stolen from you, whether it's money, lottery tickets, clothes, whatever. How many of my boyfriends have you claimed raped you? Every single one of them. How many other men have you claimed raped you? At least a few dozen, just that you've told me about. How many men have you claimed have hit you? Do I even want to count, considering you claimed your husband and son beat on you, and called 9-1-1 telling the cops I was beating you while I was on 9-1-1 since you'd threatened to kill me? How many times have you claimed to be on your deathbed, tearing me emotionally to shreds resulting in me rushing from everything I was doing to go be by your side? I had friends thinking I was personally making it up for sympathy since it was happening so often, but it was always when you told me you had this cancer or that, and I always believed you. You always lied.

Your expectation that we sell our little home to give you back what you gifted to us specifically as a thank you, or to give you our home, and be homeless ourselves, is not only not reasonable, but it's not going to happen. You are selfish and evil and an awful person. My family comes first now, and you aren't a part of it. You are nothing. You are dead to me.

Contact from you is not wanted. Any contact is harassment. No one connected to me wants you contacting them. I do not care to know you anymore, I do not care if you die under a bridge alone and hurting. I don't care if you cry. You've hurt far too many people, and I refuse to be yanked around or controlled anymore. You've made me cry more times that I could possibly count, and I am done with you. I only want to know you're dead so I can know I don't have to worry about you harassing those I love.

Because of your behavior, you will never see my daughter grow up. You are not her grandmother. She has one grandmother and three great-grandmothers. Her grandmother is her dad's mom, and her great-grandmothers are her dad's mom's mom, step-dad's mom, and my dad's mom. You are nothing. You are not her family and she is not yours. You have lost out. This is the last you will see her. She is happy not knowing you. She is happy with her one grandma and three great-grandmothers. She doesn't need you, won't know you, and doesn't want you. You are dead to us, and we are getting on with our lives.

Good bye.

[Witsec7]

And in another version Aria/Elles Mom was happily dipping meth with her BF down in CA.

I do remember when Emily and I were trying to pin her down on the Shrader thread because she was fucking up about child care subsidies in CA and OR. About the same time I was calling BS on her about something she said on the old Buck/Hale thread.

Fun times.

[celestial]

God, she'll never quit, will she? :?

[Effie]

God, she'll never quit, will she? :?

I just don't understand. What's the point of this, Elle/LisaM? What is that about?

[rock_girl]

I just don't understand. What's the point of this, Elle/LisaM? What is that about?

When I first came across her - and this was years and years ago - it struck me that she had no real friends. All she ever spoke about was her family or codycodycodycodycody (her now husband). I think she's a sick, twisted little fuckup who can't engage with people unless she's the one holding all the cards. She doesn't seem to be able to relate to anyone as an equal. Everything in her life is about making Misti important. Even the new names she gave herself were quite 'nice'. At least they're not the sort of stripper names she was given by her parents.

Along the way Misti figured out that not only could those on the internet bolster her ego, but they could also fund her lifestyle. Well, to a point. She's a pretty hopeless scammer.

If I had to guess why she comes back here it's a. she actually enjoyed being here and found a sense of community that she lacked elsewhere in her life and b. she wants to lord it over those who outed her by coming back and messing with their emotions.

[Sola]

Sneaky bitch. Oh well saved me sorting out the whip round.

[candycanehead]

I am not sure where that lady is from, but we are in Oklahoma, which is notorious for sucking when it comes to special needs kids, and we have been fairly lucky. my little guy is on ssi, and he gets help from medicaid for all the genetic testing, therapy, feeding tube supplies and such he has needed over the past year. my little Francis has honestly made me reconsider my stance on which side to stand on. I belong to a republican/conservative facebook group and i have had to bow out because the attitudes are terrible..basically, poor people deserve what they get, and nothing more. i honestly never knew that this was a prevailing attitude..maybe i am naive, but that really made me think. how can you talk about god in one breath, and judge people like that in the next? we were never well off, but having a disabled child will basically screw any sort of plans you might have had for the future, and when you are on a tight budget to begin with, it can have catastrophic results.

[Irishy]

Sneaky bitch is right. Can't believe it. I was all set to skim 20 bucks off the Santa fund for her.

[OkToBeTakei]

Sneaky bitch is right. Can't believe it. I was all set to skim 20 bucks off the Santa fund for her.

She had me. Irishy she was playing on our poor socialised heartstrings. Bitch is right. Must be some better Irish/Scot names we can call her. I've invoked shite on her in the other thread :D

[Irishy]

Toe rag, wagon, lying wanker. Rotten C*UNT. Rusty minge-bag hooo-er.

ETA which other thread?

[OkToBeTakei]

Toe rag, wagon, lying wanker. Rotten C*UNT. Rusty minge-bag hooo-er.

F*ckin' mockitt hoorin' boggin' houk. Away an suck a bawbag!

ETA Admin post.

[Irishy]

F*ckin' mockitt hoorin' boggin' houk. Away an suck a bawbag!

ETA Admin post.

Take your 500 dollars love, and shove it up your hairy arse. Get up the yard with ya or I'll put ya on the toe of me boot!

[OkToBeTakei]

Take your 500 dollars love, and shove it up your hairy arse. Get up the yard with ya or I'll put ya on the toe of me boot!

Haw yoo, ya bint, yer hoachin ye midgie raker. Yer a joby yoo gee me the boak!

I like the word 'prick' so expressive. TOTALLY inappropriate here :lol:

[Irishy]

Yeh diseased mickey, you're a hoor's knickers. Come ere an I'll fooken booorst yeh!

But which other thread? I must see the shite!