Shaking with anger - Kelly Crawford is awful

[aggythenostic]

Oh please don't EVER stop blogging Kelly! I love your complete lack of self-knowledge. You are as juicy with hilarity as a $25 pork loin and just as piggy.

Elizabeth McBride says:

November 8, 2012 at 9:31 pm

The photo you used at the beginning of your post is the raising of the flag on Iwo Jima by United States Marines. It’s actually a reenactment done after the battle for the purpose of taking a photo to remember all who died there. Does your love for our country and for freedom mean that you too have served in the military? If not, why not? Or if not the military have you served with another service organization like Vista, Peace Corps, Habitat for Humanity, Americorps? What I learned in my 12 years of public school was that I was blessed to live in a great country. I learned about the fight for blacks and women to get the right to vote. I never was taught that the government owes me anything. John Kennedy spoke when I was in high school. He said “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.†And I took his words to heart. Did you? I served my country. Did you?

Word Warrior says:

November 8, 2012 at 9:45 pm

Elizabeth,

Your comment is stabbing and off-topic. But to answer you, yes, I serve my country everyday. I *lived* a charity all my life–I didn’t have to go abroad. I am surely thankful for those who serve our country in the military, but I don’t belittle those who serve in a million other ways…and you shouldn’t either. And I think it is unbecoming for a servant to boast.

Rolling....unbecoming for a servant to boast! HAHAHAHAHAHA The woman does nothing but. Yeah, you 'live' a charity all right. The charity known as Queen Kelly Crawford. Sheesh.

[emmiedahl]

Here's an unbelievable quote from Kelly (taken from the comments:

"When we struggled, we had family members that just expected me to get a job because “that’s the way it isâ€, instead of those members rallying around to help us so that I could stay home with my young children."

She was mad at family members because they expected her to get a job to support her kids. She actually expected them to support her (or "rally round" her, as she says).

If she was a black woman in the same struggles, people would have called her a whore and told her she should have thought of that before she spread her legs. "Keep your legs together if you don't want so many mouths to feed!" It's practically a Republican platform lately.

I think it is great if we invest in each other. It does not help our country to let people languish because of a single bad decision or a few bad years in the economy. I am glad Europe seems to have learned this lesson; I just wish the US would learn it as well. We are losing in every area and in danger of no longer being a world power because of the size and misery of our underclass. Poorly fed children with no supervision in school don't generally turn out well. Well-fed and respected workers are more loyal and productive. I could go on and on.

I often buy a giant chunk of meat and cut it into meat for several meals. It is very economical. I bought a giant hunk of beef for $1.69 a lb and it came to more than $30. But I cut it into steaks and roasts and stew meat, then froze it; it lasted my large family about a month. I live in an area where hamburger is around $5-6 a pound on sale, so this was a great deal. If I ate pork, I might think I was the woman in Kelly's little vignette because most of our meat comes from deals like this.

Oh please don't EVER stop blogging Kelly! I love your complete lack of self-knowledge. You are as juicy with hilarity as a $25 pork loin and just as piggy.

After fundie translator, this comes out: Bitch, I *am* a charity. Fuck you with all your "doing shit for other people" business.

[ems]

Miss (Effie) says:

November 8, 2012 at 12:33 pm

Furthermore, you have NO idea of the number of capable, able people who take gov. subsidies because it’s easier–nothing else. Conversation I heard YESTERDAY. A young man, in fact that used to live with my parents told them this:

“My (live-in) girlfriend and I (with a baby) aren’t getting married because if we do and I claim my income (he makes about as much as my husband does) we won’t qualify for food stamps.â€

Pause, and think about that.

Obviously, I’m not saying everyone fits that category, but I think we’d be shocked to know how many do. We live in a country where anyone feasibly determined and able to work can make a living. I know, because we’ve done it.

the initial illusion of success that gives government intervention its pernicious, seductive appeal. In the long run, socialism has always proven to be a formula for tyranny and misery.

There's waay to much to respond to in Kelly's (terrifying) response, but I'm just going to address just this chunk of it.

I've never been on "public assistance" as in welfare, but I've been on and off unemployment (done a lot of temping when I couldn't secure a permanent job) and it most certainly is NOT "easier". It is a complete pain in the ass to deal with the bureaucracy of the state unemployment office, but it's better than not having income while you search for work. It's also a pretty measly amount, so it's not "easy" to make ends meet. I just don't understand people who think that people are living large and partying it up on the public dole.

Secondly, if she thinks "anyone feasibly determined and able to work" can make a living in the US, she really needs to read "Nickel and Dimed," or anything by Barbara Ehrenrich.

And most people, Kelly, define "making a living" as actually being able to decently feed their children, among other things.

[linnea27]

Here's an unbelievable quote from Kelly (taken from the comments:

"When we struggled, we had family members that just expected me to get a job because “that’s the way it isâ€, instead of those members rallying around to help us so that I could stay home with my young children."

She was mad at family members because they expected her to get a job to support her kids. She actually expected them to support her (or "rally round" her, as she says).

the hypocrisy burns.

[Maude]

Kelly is clearly coming from a position of privilege. No one who's ever truly struggled or been remiss of luck (well-off family included) could say what she says with a clear conscience. Government programs to help the poor and needy were put in place because private charity wasn't working, not in lieu of it. Ms. 'I can't work because SAHM' certainly has a lot of nerve. :snooty:

[2xx1xy1JD]

It might make Kelly feel better to know that Canada's road to perdition, I mean socialism - caring for those in distress, the sick, the widowed, the orphans, the unemployed - was kick started by a Baptist preacher turned politician, Tommy Douglas. He saw the need for the Christian value of taking care of people to be adopted by a country's government. Wasn't that thoughtful of him?...applying "true religion", to a secular system?

This is what I've always thought to be so hypocritical about too many American Christians - complaining their government may do things the Bible actually recommends doing and peeing on countries who have made it work. We are not in debt by trillions. Thank you very much. It also makes them look stupid, selfish and cold.

Do they read Isaiah 58:6-7? Letting the oppressed go free, sharing bread with the hungry, taking the poor into your home, clothing the naked - how long before they ban the bible for promoting radical socialism?

[MrsKay]

I am forever astounded at people who think that poor people HAVE to be skin and bones to need assistance.

I grew up on assistance for most of my childhood. My mother had weight issues, and I had mild weight issues once I hit puberty, as did one of my brothers. Why? Because we ate a lot of carbs. Carbs are CHEAP. If you need something that is going to stretch out and fill up several stomachs, a bag of potatoes or some day-old bread will do the job for far less money than, say, a chicken, or salad vegetables, or fruit. When we had meat, it was in a casserole or stew, or else doled out in the smallest portions possible. It still shocks me to see my husband eating what I consider to be several servings of meat in one sitting, and I'm constantly horrified by our grocery bill (he did NOT grow up poor, rebels against the idea of meatless meals, and my disability prevents me from doing the grocery shopping at this time). Meat was like a garnish in our house.

If you live where you have even a bit of land, sure, you can grow some food, and use it as a cheap addition to your diet. Unfortunately, it's a lot cheaper to live in apartments with absolutely no place to grow anything. I would love to even grow some stuff in the windows here, but the way that everything is set up, plus a couple of rambunctious boys, makes it impossible. A lot of places are finally getting programs for food boxes, monthly pre-paid boxes of in-season produce for a set low price, but there are still a lot of places that don't have them. Some people can't get them because they have no way to pick them up in areas that don't deliver. Even with the boxes... Well, it's hard to stretch that box out all month, especially when you factor in the fact that it needs to be eaten before it rots.

Back in the 90s, some politicians here did the "welfare diet" for a while - I can't recall if it was for a week or a month. I do know that their menu featured large amounts of generic macaroni and cheese, baloney, and Spam. They also admitted that they were hungry, tired, and just a little sick of eating that shit after a short time.

Fuck her. Malnourished people come in a LOT of sizes. I'm amazed that people can be so damn ignorant.

[Deleted03]

So in the end, she is bitching because she refuses help from the government paid for by taxes and thinks that if there were no taxes people would give her more?

Isn't that the definition of entitlement?

And btw, I'd like to see your tax return. With that many kids I bet he is not paying one dime of tax.

I'm glad she is not teaching in public school anymore, such a lack of understanding of simple principles is just crazy.

[lovefromgirl]

There's waay to much to respond to in Kelly's (terrifying) response, but I'm just going to address just this chunk of it.

I've never been on "public assistance" as in welfare, but I've been on and off unemployment (done a lot of temping when I couldn't secure a permanent job) and it most certainly is NOT "easier". It is a complete pain in the ass to deal with the bureaucracy of the state unemployment office, but it's better than not having income while you search for work. It's also a pretty measly amount, so it's not "easy" to make ends meet. I just don't understand people who think that people are living large and partying it up on the public dole.

Unemployment, when I collected it, was just enough to fuck me out of state-sponsored health insurance but not a living wage by any means. I can sympathise with this man and his small family because yes, two technically single people can feed themselves and their child far more easily than can a married couple. That's the way it works and it is BACKWARDS. (Also, I'd love to do some small work, but if I do? Bye, bye, health care. Seriously, making $212 a week on unemployment was enough. Still seeing red over that.) So glad I don't need to apply for welfare. So glad to live with my mum during this shit.

[velly]

I don't mean to step on any toes here but I trhink as probably the only person living in a socialist country here should say: socialsm doesn't necessary a) work or is as good as people paint it out to be.

[Deleted03]

I don't mean to step on any toes here but I trhink as probably the only person living in a socialist country here should say: socialsm doesn't necessary a) work or is as good as people paint it out to be.

Venezuela is not really a democracy these days, and is in the midst of populism.

When people talk about socialist countries they just mean leftist countries with universalized health care and a safety net that is also universal.

I think the European and Canadian (and for sure Australian although I don't know much about it) work well around that.

[FlorenceHamilton]

Oh please don't EVER stop blogging Kelly! I love your complete lack of self-knowledge. You are as juicy with hilarity as a $25 pork loin and just as piggy.

Rolling....unbecoming for a servant to boast! HAHAHAHAHAHA The woman does nothing but. Yeah, you 'live' a charity all right. The charity known as Queen Kelly Crawford. Sheesh.

Elizabeth McBride! I thank you for your service. Be proud of your patriotism and willingness to sacrifice for your country. I served too and I am damn proud of it. HAPPY VETERANS DAY, my friend.

[lilwriter85]

Didn't Kelly take government assistance when her oldest daughter was born? I agree with a lot that has been said in this thread. Fuck her. She had a bitchy attitude in the days after the tornado it pissed me of when she said something about not smelling like a homeless person. I agree with another person, she probably hasn't donated anything to Hurricane Sandy victims.

[velly]

Venezuela is not really a democracy these days, and is in the midst of populism.

When people talk about socialist countries they just mean leftist countries with universalized health care and a safety net that is also universal.

I think the European and Canadian (and for sure Australian although I don't know much about it) work well around that.

I beg to disagree... I voted, my vote was counted and for reginal elections we vote and those are counted to. Were the elections a bit sketchy? Every Venezuelan election since the last dictatorship is voiced out as a fraud (I kid you not, every last one) so realkly Venezuelans don't know how to lose =P. I don't know where you get that this is not a democracy. I could explina it further to you because I know how the press sometimes twists things. I am completely right wing but I cannot deny the reality of the situation.

I guess I could see that we could be considered part of the populism movement but a lot of our new laws are indeed socialist laws.

And I see now, well that makes sense (about the health care). Though seriously sometimes I wonder what people think they are asking for when they want 'socialism' to happen. Do you guys mean all of it or some aspects (like the health care, for example)? Because really getting socialism to work, I've come to realize, takes the WHOLE 100% of people to agree to it. And, as history has shown, people have issues with agreeing. I think the US has done it best by trying to implement some socialists things but not go completely ape shit with it (ala Venezuela)

[amydamy]

I don't get how she "lived" a charity her whole life. Does she mean she was/is poor or that she is so generous and giving she is like a charity ?

[fakepigtails73]

While I agree that Kelly C's reply is venomous, I find the idea of anyone being happy to pay taxes somewhat strange...

I think that there def. needs to be a govt. safety net; countries that have a well-developped one have a healthier and happier population than those whose safety-nets are either non-existent or stripped to the bare bones (some states in the US are like this). It boggles my mind to think that a family could end up homeless because the mother got breast cancer and her insurance coverage was minimal or non-existent due to risks. I believe that the best healthcare delivery systems are those that mix the private sector with the public one.

OTOH, I'm never happy to pay the amount of taxes I have to every year...I know I have to, and I agree with the principle that I have to do itso that our military gets its funding, the doctors working for our healthcare system get a decent enough salary that they continue to work here instead of going south of the border where they could get much more $$, so that the roads are taken care of, kids get good public schools, and many, many other public services. These don't get paid for by some gold that appear in a magical pot of gold at the end of a rainbow... 8-)

Since where I live we have so much wasteful govt. spending and so many bureaucrats and unnecessary govt. "agencies" that end up munching a good % of our taxes, I'll never be happy to pay up my school tax, municipal, provincial and federal share of taxes that come up every year. As I said, I know that I have to pay it and I don't argue the priniciple of it, it,s just that I'd be "happier" about it if the various levels of govt. in my part of the woods would "trim" their bureaucracy.

Kelly C wants us to go back to the Victorian-era concept of "charity", meaning that if you lose your job you get a shot at being "helped" by your church and community. I don't think this would work out so well for those of us that don't go to church and commit all the "sins" that she and her ilk frown upon. No thanks, I'd rather pay my taxes, even if I do so without a smile.

PS: I'm coming off a cold and am very tired, so my written English is awful today. Thanks!! :oops:

Edited for the many typos...

[kaetrin]

I don't get how she "lived" a charity her whole life. Does she mean she was/is poor or that she is so generous and giving she is like a charity ?

I think she is referring to her parents running some sort of foster home when she was growing up. It's a strange turn of phrase in any case. Also not particularly germane, since it sounds like she's saying that she doesn't need to serve her country or give to charity because her parents kept foster children.

[fakepigtails73]

I beg to disagree... I voted, my vote was counted and for reginal elections we vote and those are counted to. Were the elections a bit sketchy? Every Venezuelan election since the last dictatorship is voiced out as a fraud (I kid you not, every last one) so realkly Venezuelans don't know how to lose =P. I don't know where you get that this is not a democracy. I could explina it further to you because I know how the press sometimes twists things. I am completely right wing but I cannot deny the reality of the situation.

I guess I could see that we could be considered part of the populism movement but a lot of our new laws are indeed socialist laws.

And I see now, well that makes sense (about the health care). Though seriously sometimes I wonder what people think they are asking for when they want 'socialism' to happen. Do you guys mean all of it or some aspects (like the health care, for example)? Because really getting socialism to work, I've come to realize, takes the WHOLE 100% of people to agree to it. And, as history has shown, people have issues with agreeing. I think the US has done it best by trying to implement some socialists things but not go completely ape shit with it (ala Venezuela)

I think that the "socialism" that most people in this thread would like to see some parts implemented in the US is "social-democracy", akin to Scandinavia and Canada (amongst others). Not "socialism" like Chavez-lead Venezuela (I'd hate to live there at the moment, I'm sorry for you...) or anything close to "communism". Tea Party members love to yell "socialism!! RUN!!" each time the govt. tries to do something that would help the people but that would need more $$ in tax revenues. Since these $$ would likely come from the super rich, not Joe the Plumber, I can't fathom why Tea Party nutbags are so against the idea. Romney promised to make Bush's tax cuts permanent...As Warren Buffet said: "I can't believe that my secretary ends up paying a bigger amount of taxes each your than I do; something's not normal here". Of course you want to make a tax rate reasonable, so as to not make it confiscatory.

[Effie]

I don't mean to step on any toes here but I trhink as probably the only person living in a socialist country here should say: socialsm doesn't necessary a) work or is as good as people paint it out to be.

I do not think anyone here supports a 100 % socialist country. I live in a social democracy and that is the system I believe works well. I do not necessarily think social democracy would work everywhere and I did not bring this up because I think it should be a solution everywhere. I brought it up as a reaction to Kelly's comment. I was defending this system which I believe in.

[Dev83]

Man she makes me stabby.

Does she not know anything about the Great Depression? People in THIS COUNTRY died of starvation because we did not have any government programs to help them. It was only the ebil entitlment programs put in place during the New Deal that helped us to move out of the depression and into decades of relative security for people. I am sure that there are stories of some wealthy people helping the poor during that period, but it obviously was not all wealthy people, and it certainly was not enough to care for all of the poor. But by all means, lets go back to a system where we have to watch kids die in the street from lack of food. That sounds WAY more godly.

[lilwriter85]

I don't get how she "lived" a charity her whole life. Does she mean she was/is poor or that she is so generous and giving she is like a charity ?

Kelly's parents have helped her quite a bit. I think is common for parents to help their kids out during their college years or difficult times. But with Kelly it has been happening for a long time. She has a large family that she can't afford and I believe her husband is employed by her parents. Last year, volunteers helped her family out a lot after the tornado.

[Effie]

Fakepigtails, the 30 % taxes are automatically drawn from my salary, so I never really have those money in the first place. I can't really miss something I have never truly had. I'm happy knowing they do not disappear in a black hole somewhere :P but actually goes to the society where it's needed. Whenever I hear that it's going well somewhere, for example if the math results are improving I feel proud: "Hey, I have helped finance that." It feels good knowing that I have been a part of that (a tiny part but that counts for something). So yes, I am a very happy tax-payer.

[Austin]

While I agree that Kelly C's reply is venomous, I find the idea of anyone being happy to pay taxes somewhat strange...

I think that there def. needs to be a govt. safety net; countries that have a well-developped one have a healthier and happier population than those whose safety-nets are either non-existent or stripped to the bare bones (some states in the US are like this). It boggles my mind to think that a family could end up homeless because the mother got breast cancer and her insurance coverage was minimal or non-existent due to risks. I believe that the best healthcare delivery systems are those that mix the private sector with the public one.

OTOH, I'm never happy to pay the amount of taxes I have to every year...I know I have to, and I agree with the principle that I have to do itso that our military gets its funding, the doctors working for our healthcare system get a decent enough salary that they continue to work here instead of going south of the border where they could get much more $$, so that the roads are taken care of, kids get good public schools, and many, many other public services. These don't get paid for by some gold that appear in a magical pot of gold at the end of a rainbow... 8-)

Since where I live we have so much wasteful govt. spending and so many bureaucrats and unnecessary govt. "agencies" that end up munching a good % of our taxes, I'll never be happy to pay up my school tax, municipal, provincial and federal share of taxes that come up every year. As I said, I know that I have to pay it and I don't argue the priniciple of it, it,s just that I'd be "happier" about it if the various levels of govt. in my part of the woods would "trim" their bureaucracy.

Kelly C wants us to go back to the Victorian-era concept of "charity", meaning that if you lose your job you get a shot at being "helped" by your church and community. I don't think this would work out so well for those of us that don't go to church and commit all the "sins" that she and her ilk frown upon. No thanks, I'd rather pay my taxes, even if I do so without a smile.

PS: I'm coming off a cold and am very tired, so my written English is awful today. Thanks!! :oops:

Edited for the many typos...

I get what you're saying, but think you're wrong about some people not happy to pay their taxes. I AM truly happy to pay my taxes. I am grateful that I can pay taxes and take for granted the infrastructure I depend upon day in and day out, and the social safety net which I haven't needed but may someday. While things get tight occasionally, we have enough and usually more than enough and we are grateful.

We've got young adult wage earners in our home and every time they start bitching about the taxes that appear on their paystubs, I remind them of all the elements of our society that they take for granted and encourage them not to foster an attitude of begrudging people who are less fortunate than they the scraps they are provided when they need help (not saying you do, just explaining my view). And the truth is that our young wage earners don't make enough to actually owe federal income tax in the end, as they are all full-time students, and they get it back in a tax refund anyway. Waste is certainly an important issue, but I believe there is far less of it than people are told by the media. I worked in state government for a time, and the environment was pretty trimmed. I bought plenty of my own office supplies, for instance, as they would only provide the bare minimum.

The only time I get crossways with the tax paying thing is when I haven't paid enough in and owe in April. This is more of an accounting error on my part, though, and is just inconvenient when it happens. It happened last year but I've made adjustments and hope to break about even this year *fingers crossed*.

[Hane]

Maybe I'm nuts, but I'm one USAdian who does not begrudge paying my fair share of taxes. I'm just an office worker, but my income falls in the top 20%. I'm a single empty-nester, with no one to support but myself. Maybe there's something wrong with me that I want to support things that don't benefit me directly at this point in my life (public schools, social welfare safety nets), but I've always believed that people should help one another.

And, putting the social safety net aside, doesn't everyone LIKE having safe roads, water, bridges, and traffic lights? And who wouldn't rather rely on our local departments of public works, police, and fire departments instead of having to wait for BRADRICK! to deign to show up?

[aggythenostic]

Oh, Kelly took her ball and went home! Looks like she cut off comments. She just becomes a two year old so quickly when someone actually writes an intelligent disagreement. Talk about stabby though! Here's the final thought:

Jane says:

November 9, 2012 at 12:39 pm

The God I know teaches me that love is not enabling others in their sin of sexual promiscuity, laziness and greed. (not talking about the truly needy here) Which is what socialism enables many to do, and only leads to more of the same.

You rotten bitch. The God you know? Which God is that, Jane? Because from what I understand, a guy named Jesus had a certain relationship with a certain prostitute and did not seem to judge her morality when she needed help.

Sheesh. So many dumb ass comments, so little time. Private charity has proven the least effective way of providing a safety net in ALL cultures. That's way children starve around the world, you idiots. Please examine the Victorian England you love so much! But these people don't care about anyone outside their floaty Christian Love Bubble. Can you imagine what would have happened to Kelly if they hadn't lived on their parent's farm? HER PARENTS SUPPORT THEM. And I'm not even going to go into her nasty response to Effie. Yeah, Effie meant you were stupid! YOU ARE.

Hatessssss her soooooo much.