File Under: When you thought Lori couldn't be any crueler...

[OkToBeTakei]

That makes perfect sense.

Just to be precise, I didn't bring up the 15 foods which are apparantly sympthomatic for Autism.

I was just curious how 15 foods, speech teacher and autism are related.

I would imagine and just guessing here it is a tool, I work in the health field and they love their tools. It is a general guideline normally as in 'If you have 6 of the 10 symptoms, move to the next step.'

For example weight loss. MUST tool. Acronym 'Malnutrition Universal Screening Tool' Would have so many steps to indicate when an intervention might be indicated. I guessed the '15' foods was a similar flag...probably just one of many questions in an assessment to indicate an intervention.

Maybe?

[latraviata]

I would imagine and just guessing here it is a tool, I work in the health field and they love their tools. It is a general guideline normally as in 'If you have 6 of the 10 symptoms, move to the next step.'

For example weight loss. MUST tool. Acronym 'Malnutrition Universal Screening Tool' Would have so many steps to indicate when an intervention might be indicated. I guessed the '15' foods was a similar flag...probably just one of many questions in an assessment to indicate an intervention.

Maybe?

Who knows, I am a professional but a European one, that might be the reason I am not aware of any 'tools'.

Having said that we have our fair share of care providing well meaning ignoramuses. Perhaps that is a universal thing too??

[OkToBeTakei]

Who knows, I am a professional but a European one, that might be the reason I am not aware of any 'tools'.

Having said that we have our fair share of care providing well meaning ignoramuses. Perhaps that is a universal thing too??

Absolutely. :lol:

[wildrose]

I would imagine and just guessing here it is a tool, I work in the health field and they love their tools. It is a general guideline normally as in 'If you have 6 of the 10 symptoms, move to the next step.'

For example weight loss. MUST tool. Acronym 'Malnutrition Universal Screening Tool' Would have so many steps to indicate when an intervention might be indicated. I guessed the '15' foods was a similar flag...probably just one of many questions in an assessment to indicate an intervention.

Maybe?

It's a program delivered through, and covered by, the public health care system, so I imagine there are all kinds of tests, forms and specialists before acceptance is granted. It's a little ironic that she is involved in this program, given that said daughter was a picky eater as a child.

And to get back on topic, while I obviously worship at the kitchen table [i will start that diet tomorrow] just thinking of food, children eating, and "spiritual truth" as in Koala's post above, makes my head ache. WTF? Provide the average toddler with healthy choices and let them choose and eat what and how much they want. My grandson just had his 18 month check-up, which also included his last vaccination for a few years. [ I guess that eliminates a lot of families who are anti-vaccine.] The checkup included a form to fill out. Two of the questions were something along the lines of: Is the child allowed to choose what foods he/she eats from those offered? and Is the child allowed to decide when he/she has had enough to eat? Interesting that the government-operated health system supports children making their own choices about food. Ungodly politicians!

[Hane]

Speech therapists deal with swallowing problems, which may be part of eating problems. For example, that was major part of her job when working with ALS patients. Her youngest client is a 15 month old who cannot swallow properly and is not getting enough nutrition.I gave a suggestion for another avenue of help, not a suggestion that the child has speech problems.

OT: I learned about this when my 87-year-old father was ill in his final months and I had to place him in a nearby nursing home so he could get around-the-clock care. They set him up with a speech therapist, and I was all "WTF--he doesn't have a speech problem!" but his nurse explained they wanted to monitor his ability to swallow.

[FaeT]

When I weaned my child I whacked everything in a food processor that we ate (greek salad ..don't try it.) Baby food? In a jar? No thanks. Too expensive amongs many other things. Is she an amazingly diverse eater? Not too bad. She, like every individual has her likes and dislikes and downright gags on mushrooms. I am sure she would eat Chicken nuggets every day if she could. I do make a point of saying that every meal she eats does not have to be something she 'Loves' There are food groups that are necessary for growth, health that we all need to tolerate instead of a bar of chocolate. There are fun ways to ensure this as many posters have said.

My own Mother was 'one sprout on your plate coaxing type' We found ways around it. She kept at it. She also fed my child a 'Chocolate Orange' for lunch one day. Way to milk the 'I LOVE Nana' Haha.

I did exactly the same, honestly not to boast about it, I never bought/used a jar of baby food, I always pureed, mashed their food either in a blender or with a fork when they got a bit older.

Grandmama was an entirely different chapter, she fed my children and the other grandchildren cake or chocolate when they didn't eat enough or refused to eat.

But that is grandmother's prerogative, that is what grandmothers are for, their wish was her command and we parents (her children) were absoluteluy fine with that!

I never even used purees. I just let my kids eat when they were ready. They grabbed a piece of food when they were ready and then ate it. Sure, in the beginning they just sucked on it or gnawed on it, but solids shouldn't be a main source of food in the first 12 months anyway, at least. Jarred baby food is expensive. And useless, really. Baby will eat when baby is ready. And clearly Lori and her son haven't figured this out yet.

[Hane]

FaeT: I knew my baby was ready for solid foods when she was 5.5 months old and tried to shove my sandwich into her toothless mouth! Needless to say, I started her on mashed bananas instead.

Back to the woman-whupping topic: One of her fangirls wants to frame Kate's final monologue from "Taming of the Shrew." Shakespeare geek here added her $.02:

"In Katharina's final monologue, she's essentially telling Petruchio that she EXPECTS him to go out and support her--and act like a prince--in return for her obedience. She's also speaking in hyperbole:

'Thy husband is thy lord, thy life, thy keeper,

Thy head, thy sovereign; one that cares for thee,

And for thy maintenance commits his body

To painful labour both by sea and land,

To watch the night in storms, the day in cold,

Whilst thou liest warm at home, secure and safe;

And craves no other tribute at thy hands

But love, fair looks and true obedience;

Too little payment for so great a debt.

Such duty as the subject owes the prince

Even such a woman oweth to her husband.'

"Petruchio is a rich boy who does NOT commit his body to painful labor by sea or land in storms and cold--same goes for Bianca's and the Widow's husbands. Brush up your Shakespeare before you run and delete this, Lori."

I meant the woman-whupping figuratively. There's no physical whupping in "Shrew"--except for when Kate bashes her lute over her music teacher's head.

[latraviata]

OT: I learned about this when my 87-year-old father was ill in his final months and I had to place him in a nearby nursing home so he could get around-the-clock care. They set him up with a speech therapist, and I was all "WTF--he doesn't have a speech problem!" but his nurse explained they wanted to monitor his ability to swallow.

On the other hand, I am a professional (Dr Phil's colleague so to speak) and years ago my youngest son's (about 6/7 years at that time) teacher came to me with big panic eyes and said the speech teacher detected a lisp and that requiered immediate and intensive speech therapy.

Well, he had a lisp because he just lost his deciduous front teeth.

[latraviata]

FaeT: I knew my baby was ready for solid foods when she was 5.5 months old and tried to shove my sandwich into her toothless mouth! Needless to say, I started her on mashed bananas instead.

This!

[OkToBeTakei]

On the other hand, I am a professional (Dr Phil's colleague so to speak) and years ago my youngest son's (about 6/7 years at that time) teacher came to me with big panic eyes and said the speech teacher detected a lisp and that requiered immediate and intensive speech therapy.

Well, he had a lisp because he just lost his deciduous front teeth.

My child was classed as 'Developmental delayed' because at a checkup I could not answer whether she walked up stairs with one foot per step or put two feet on the step before moving on to the next one. My house was all on one level. Fuckwits. I just stopped going after that.

[latraviata]

My child was classed as 'Developmental delayed' because at a checkup I could not answer whether she walked up stairs with one foot per step or put two feet on the step before moving on to the next one. My house was all on one level. Fuckwits. I just stopped going after that.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[FaeT]

FaeT: I knew my baby was ready for solid foods when she was 5.5 months old and tried to shove my sandwich into her toothless mouth! Needless to say, I started her on mashed bananas instead.

This!

Bananas are already pretty much mush. A toothless baby can handle a banana. I know some babies are ready sooner than others. My friend's babies both started sucking on oranges at around 4 months. (She had them on a plate and turned around and then turned again to see baby sucking on them.) All I'm saying is that it's better to let them decide when to eat solid foods, which I think we're all pretty much agreeing on.

I have never force fed my children. I - like all of you - find that to be vile and disgusting. If my kids don't want to eat at dinner, fine. But I do have them eat it later if they're hungry. And generally, this isn't a problem. But I don't fight it. If the food is cold or hard or whatever by the time they want to eat and it's not really edible anymore, fine. The dogs will eat it and we'll make something else real quick. Not the end of the world. (It's annoying - yes - but when I get the sad eyes and "Please? I want tomatoes" how can I say no?)

[latraviata]

Bananas are already pretty much mush. A toothless baby can handle a banana. I know some babies are ready sooner than others. My friend's babies both started sucking on oranges at around 4 months. (She had them on a plate and turned around and then turned again to see baby sucking on them.) All I'm saying is that it's better to let them decide when to eat solid foods, which I think we're all pretty much agreeing on.

I have never force fed my children. I - like all of you - find that to be vile and disgusting. If my kids don't want to eat at dinner, fine. But I do have them eat it later if they're hungry. And generally, this isn't a problem. But I don't fight it. If the food is cold or hard or whatever by the time they want to eat and it's not really edible anymore, fine. The dogs will eat it and we'll make something else real quick. Not the end of the world. (It's annoying - yes - but when I get the sad eyes and "Please? I want tomatoes" how can I say no?)

You know, whatever works, as long as it is no torment and misery for children. They will all grow up fine. I wished I could say that about the 'trained up' children.

[Loveday]

Lori's probably thrilled. This poor kid will probably end up going back to being tortured with food because of her stupid post. Why the fuck do these people think this woman has any idea what the hell she is talking about? What qualifications does she have? How about talking to a goddamned pediatrician instead of a know it all mommy blogger? Why do people have to be so damn cruel to their kids????

This, this, this! :evil: I read comments on her blog and other know it all mommy blogs and I can't understand why everyone seems to think these people are remotely qualified to dispense advice to anyone! Medical advice! Psychological advice! Even spiritual advice! Do these women have degrees in any of these subjects? No! Yet their every word is clung to as if they've all got Ph.D's from Harvard! :doh:

[lilwriter85]

This, this, this! :evil: I read comments on her blog and other know it all mommy blogs and I can't understand why everyone seems to think these people are remotely qualified to dispense advice to anyone! Medical advice! Psychological advice! Even spiritual advice! Do these women have degrees in any of these subjects? No! Yet their every word is clung to as if they've all got Ph.D's from Harvard! :doh:

I think when it comes of Lori and other fundie bloggers, the people who cling to their advice are fundies who think Lori is right because she is a "God fearing Christian wimmin".

[Loveday]

I think when it comes of Lori and other fundie bloggers, the people who cling to their advice are fundies who think Lori is right because she is a "God fearing Christian wimmin".

I don't know, I guess I just never realised there are so many desperately ignorant women out there. Or should I say 'willfully' ignorant? Because surely, they can't all be naturally this stupid, so many of them seem to be doing it on purpose! :?

[Jezebel]

I knew my baby was ready for solid foods when she was 5.5 months old and tried to shove my sandwich into her toothless mouth! Needless to say, I started her on mashed bananas instead.

Yeah, my 10-month-old nephew started trying to grab food from his parents when he was about the same age, so that's when they started giving him mushy things to eat. I think his first solid food was avocado. I know he loves mangoes, and I have some really gross/hilarious pics of him after eating pureed beets (which he likes)--he looks like he's covered in blood. :lol:

[smores]

I did some baby led solids and some purees but mostly we just waited until she really wanted to eat our food. She wasn't ready until she was 7 months or so. That's ok with me!

I don't understand how she thinks force feeding won't lead to resentment. I mean, she probably hasn't THOUGHT of it, but I don't get it.

[FaeT]

You know, whatever works, as long as it is no torment and misery for children. They will all grow up fine. I wished I could say that about the 'trained up' children.

And that's what I was getting at.

Yeah, my 10-month-old nephew started trying to grab food from his parents when he was about the same age, so that's when they started giving him mushy things to eat. I think his first solid food was avocado. I know he loves mangoes, and I have some really gross/hilarious pics of him after eating pureed beets (which he likes)--he looks like he's covered in blood.

That is awesome!!

PS: Your picture scares me and I can't really look at it bc it gives me nightmares ..

[lilwriter85]

I don't know, I guess I just never realised there are so many desperately ignorant women out there. Or should I say 'willfully' ignorant? Because surely, they can't all be naturally this stupid, so many of them seem to be doing it on purpose! :?

I have only been reading fundie blogs for about a little over a year and I've been amazed how many ignorant woman are out there. I think some of them women seem to be pretty stupid and I agree some seem to be doing it on purpose. I've seen several incidents on the blogosphere in which fundies take really bad advice from other fundie bloggers or people from the day to day lives. One example that I saw was when a fundie blogger took advice from a woman at her church on giving infants goat's milk. That blogger in turn told her reading audience about and one reader said she was going to give her infants goat's milk. I'

[FaeT]

I have only been reading fundie blogs for about a little over a year and I've been amazed how many ignorant woman are out there. I think some of them women seem to be pretty stupid and I agree some seem to be doing it on purpose. I've seen several incidents on the blogosphere in which fundies take really bad advice from other fundie bloggers or people from the day to day lives. One example that I saw was when a fundie blogger took advice from a woman at her church on giving infants goat's milk. That blogger in turn told her reading audience about and one reader said she was going to give her infants goat's milk. I'

Goats milk is actually incredibly similar to human milk. It's not uncommon for families who can't breastfeed (for whatever reason) to use it. I live in Amish/Mennonite country and this is incredibly common. I personally know people who have done this. Formula is mainly sugar (seriously - have you read the ingredients? scary) and cow's milk can't be digested and isn't for babies at all. So when a family needs a substitute, aside from wet nursing or breast milk donation, goats milk is a viable option. One man actually bought a goat and kept it in his yard (a rather large yard so the goat wasn't being penned in or anything) and milked it everyday for his son. His wife was terribly ill and couldn't nurse him and ended up dying when the baby was 9 months old.

[Boogalou]

Goats milk is actually incredibly similar to human milk. It's not uncommon for families who can't breastfeed (for whatever reason) to use it. I live in Amish/Mennonite country and this is incredibly common. I personally know people who have done this. Formula is mainly sugar (seriously - have you read the ingredients? scary) and cow's milk can't be digested and isn't for babies at all. So when a family needs a substitute, aside from wet nursing or breast milk donation, goats milk is a viable option. One man actually bought a goat and kept it in his yard (a rather large yard so the goat wasn't being penned in or anything) and milked it everyday for his son. His wife was terribly ill and couldn't nurse him and ended up dying when the baby was 9 months old.

Really? Nothing I can find says that goat milk is a good replacement for anything, in fact it says the opposite. Do you have any links to this, I've never heard of it before now.

[latraviata]

Yeah, my 10-month-old nephew started trying to grab food from his parents when he was about the same age, so that's when they started giving him mushy things to eat. I think his first solid food was avocado. I know he loves mangoes, and I have some really gross/hilarious pics of him after eating pureed beets (which he likes)--he looks like he's covered in blood. :lol:

My 16 months old son was sitting on the couch with a cigarette in his mouth and tried to light it with matches.

He had seen me doing it (we were not that conscious about smoking and children over thirty years ago) but still, I was so stunned and then started laughing and taking it away from him.

I go to hell anyway.

[FaeT]

Really? Nothing I can find says that goat milk is a good replacement for anything, in fact it says the opposite. Do you have any links to this, I've never heard of it before now.

I've never gotten into it on the internet. I know my cousin (who used it as a substitute since her baby can't have dairy or soy and her ex demanded over night visitation of an exclusively nursed one year old and refused to her give breast milk) had notes from doctor who highly encouraged it. And everything else is anecdotal from the Amish/Mennonite community. Honestly, I listen to them. I know a few older woman at the store down the road from me and I've asked them questions all the time about natural ways to do things and every time they told me to do something it worked like a charm. Between my cousin and the Amish/Mennonites around here, I never looked into online. I've never been in such a position to need to. But it is common, at least around here it is.

I will definitely look into it online though. A lot of stuff out there about breast milk substitutes are funded by formula companies, despite the fact that the agreement the US signed with the WHO explicitly says that can't happen, so it can't be trusted :|

[latraviata]

Before she deletes I tried to get some sense in her, this is what I have posted:

Why for the sake of insanity choose for force there are so many ways to bring up a child in a much friendlier way than this. My children are nice, very educated, concerning and loving people and such a contribution to society. Look how small and fragile your granddaughter is, her life should be happy, she is far too young for these drastic measures which are not compatible at all for any children for that matter and certainly not for a young child like she is.