Chick-fil-A Daddy/Daughter Date Nights

[lilith]

You seem to be under the impression than all patriarchal fundamentalists require their daughters to were frumpers or skirts and not join youth groups. Not so.

In addition to all of the aforementioned associations and anti-gay work, Cathy has been quoted in Forbes Magazine as saying he wants to hire only married workers and believes men who are "sinful" outside of work should be fired.

There's little doubt he's an extremist. And let's face it, you don’t see any other fast food chains closing stores so they can have romantic-styled dates between fathers and daughters.

Or shutting on Sundays.

Or printing bible verses on their place mats etc.

[CanadianHippie]

Or shutting on Sundays.

Or printing bible verses on their place mats etc.

Or having the managers of the restaurants hold or lead staff prayer meetings.

Or asking potential employees what their religious affiliations are.

Or asking currently employees to uphold Biblical principals while at work.

[Glass Cowcatcher]

Just like everyone else, I find this idea extremely creepy because of the incestual overtones.

If they want to have face time with their daughters, why not just do that? Why wrap it up in squicky pseudo-romance?

Beyond the very creepy interpretations, this seems like a "safe" way they can get brownie points for interacting with their daughters, but they don't actually have to do the leg work of finding out what she might be interested in doing.

[Elle]

I've always used the word "date" to mean a pre-planned outing with someone, not necessarily a romantic date. I have dates with my friends, my daughter has play-dates.

However fundies see daddy-daughter date-nights in a way that it's supposed to take the place of romantic dates with those who interest the daughter in any romantic way, and so these are intended to be romantic evenings, which is sickening. It's about making the daughter fall in emotional, romantic love with her father.

Also Chick-fil-a has yummy food, but I haven't gone there since they donated to a fund that's sole purpose was passing prop 8. Not a politician or a group who "also" happens to be anti-gay. Noooooo, they donated to a fund whose sole reason for existing is to discriminate against gay people. Fuck 'em for that. Even being donors to PBS isn't going to undo their donating to a hate fund.

[AmyP]

from the internet, for your consideration

https://www.facebook.com/fatherdaughtersummit-

http://daddydates.thewrighttrack.com/category/vlog/ this guy wrote a book about it

https://www.facebook.com/daddydaughtertea?filter=3 the national daddy daughter tea date (of all things)

http://daddydaughterdate.wordpress.com/ ... ter-dates/ this guy is also writing a book

http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F% ... mHpLKEoNcw

http://friscofun.org/News/Pages/2010Dad ... Dance.aspx

http://www.goodsirs.net/provider/100-da ... ate-ideas/

there are many more sites and events like this- none seemed especially religious or purity based, although i didn't study them closely.

anyway- this is not a fringe idea. Lots of groups, both secular and religious, seem to think there is nothing wrong with it. many of these other events offered flowers and hearts and other stuff like that. I maintain that there is no reason to think that chick-fil-a has sinister motivations, and that this concept is not all that outlandish.

[lilith]

from the internet, for your consideration

https://www.facebook.com/fatherdaughtersummit-

http://daddydates.thewrighttrack.com/category/vlog/ this guy wrote a book about it

https://www.facebook.com/daddydaughtertea?filter=3 the national daddy daughter tea date (of all things)

http://daddydaughterdate.wordpress.com/ ... ter-dates/ this guy is also writing a book

http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F% ... mHpLKEoNcw

http://friscofun.org/News/Pages/2010Dad ... Dance.aspx

http://www.goodsirs.net/provider/100-da ... ate-ideas/

there are many more sites and events like this- none seemed especially religious or purity based, although i didn't study them closely.

anyway- this is not a fringe idea. Lots of groups, both secular and religious, seem to think there is nothing wrong with it. many of these other events offered flowers and hearts and other stuff like that. I maintain that there is no reason to think that chick-fil-a has sinister motivations, and that this concept is not all that outlandish.

And I maintain that in combination with Chick-Fil-A's known conservative christian stance and political agenda, not to mention the creepy faux romantic promotional material, it is creepy, and also attempting to make fringe ideas about Daddy Daughter relationships replacing romantic dating more accepted by mainstream Christians.

[Arete]

And I maintain that in combination with Chick-Fil-A's known conservative christian stance and political agenda, not to mention the creepy faux romantic promotional material, it is creepy, and also attempting to make fringe ideas about Daddy Daughter relationships replacing romantic dating more accepted by mainstream Christians.

QFT

[JenniferJuniper]

I maintain that there is no reason to think that chick-fil-a has sinister motivations, and that this concept is not all that outlandish.

How much more sinister fundie shit about Chick-Fil-A needs to be posted before you see what their true motivations are likely to be?

And I don't care how many non-fundie men want to date their daughters or stepdaughters; it doesn't make it any less creepy. I don't know where you are from, but I'm pushing 50 years old and I'd never heard of such a thing as formal hearts and flowers daddy/daughter dating until I started reading sites like this one.

[holothuroidea]

I frankly don't care if daddy-daughter dates are accepted by the mainstream and aren't necessarily related to fundamentalism. It still grosses me out and makes me angry. To act like just because the American mainstream finds it acceptable means it isn't patriarchal/paternalistic is just absurd, because mainstream America is patriarchal/paternalistic.

[AmyP]

And I maintain that in combination with Chick-Fil-A's known conservative christian stance and political agenda, not to mention the creepy faux romantic promotional material, it is creepy, and also attempting to make fringe ideas about Daddy Daughter relationships replacing romantic dating more accepted by mainstream Christians.

perhaps you also agree that all liberal feminists are baby hating lesbians, or that all tank top wearing women intend to sexually entice other women's husbands. Your sweeping generalization about the motivations of chick-fil-a is just as bad as people assuming that pro-choice women hate babies, or that women who work are just trying to get away from their kids. There is absolutely no evidence that the chick-fil-a organization believes that daddy-daughter relationships should replace romantic dating.

[Visionoyahweh]

Is AmyP an intern?

[CanadianHippie]

perhaps you also agree that all liberal feminists are baby hating lesbians, or that all tank top wearing women intend to sexually entice other women's husbands. Your sweeping generalization about the motivations of chick-fil-a is just as bad as people assuming that pro-choice women hate babies, or that women who work are just trying to get away from their kids. There is absolutely no evidence that the chick-fil-a organization believes that daddy-daughter relationships should replace romantic dating.

There is no evidence to support the claims in bold. There is plenty of support for the claims that Chick-fil-a is ruled over by a man with extreme Christian views.

[CanadianHippie]

Is AmyP an intern?

Well she did start her last post with a lower case letter... Maybe.

[lilith]

perhaps you also agree that all liberal feminists are baby hating lesbians, or that all tank top wearing women intend to sexually entice other women's husbands. Your sweeping generalization about the motivations of chick-fil-a is just as bad as people assuming that pro-choice women hate babies, or that women who work are just trying to get away from their kids. There is absolutely no evidence that the chick-fil-a organization believes that daddy-daughter relationships should replace romantic dating.

If a "liberal feminist" group was promoting an event with pictures of lesbian porn and references to infanticide I would probably draw the conclusion that those particular liberal feminists were gay and didn't much like babies. That would not be a sweeping generalisation, just as my opinion about one specific company, based upon their own policies and promotional materials, is not a sweeping generalisation.

[Glass Cowcatcher]

perhaps you also agree that all liberal feminists are baby hating lesbians, or that all tank top wearing women intend to sexually entice other women's husbands. Your sweeping generalization about the motivations of chick-fil-a is just as bad as people assuming that pro-choice women hate babies, or that women who work are just trying to get away from their kids. There is absolutely no evidence that the chick-fil-a organization believes that daddy-daughter relationships should replace romantic dating.

They are giving money to and supporting in other ways groups that push a very conservative agenda. It's not like they draw the places they donate their money to out of a hat, or that they can't do research into what those groups support (some of those groups, I'll remind you, have had a very tangibly negative effect.) We don't need an official statement of what Chick-Fil-A actually believes. Who they choose to support speaks for them.

[AmyP]

They are giving money to and supporting in other ways groups that push a very conservative agenda. It's not like they draw the places they donate their money to out of a hat, or that they can't do research into what those groups support (some of those groups, I'll remind you, have had a very tangibly negative effect.) We don't need an official statement of what Chick-Fil-A actually believes. Who they choose to support speaks for them.

so these organizations believe that daddy/daughter dating should replace traditional romantic relationships?

[Glass Cowcatcher]

so these organizations believe that daddy/daughter dating should replace traditional romantic relationships?

Do a little research. You're trying to be sarcastic but you're not too far off. They do not want traditional romantic relationships because that gives the women too much say in it. They believe that women should be subservient to a man, a father and then a husband. The daddy dates train the girl to see the future husband as an authority, not an equal partner.

[AmyP]

Do a little research. You're trying to be sarcastic but you're not too far off. They do not want traditional romantic relationships because that gives the women too much say in it. They believe that women should be subservient to a man, a father and then a husband. The daddy dates train the girl to see the future husband as an authority, not an equal partner.

which organization are you referring to- I'm not being sarcastic, I am trying to pinpoint a specific basis for the accusation. If there is one, then fine.

[Visionoyahweh]

so these organizations believe that daddy/daughter dating should replace traditional romantic relationships?

You're a willfully stupid troll.

[Glass Cowcatcher]

What Vision said. They've already been posted on this thread.

[tropaka]

I'll say it again - it is obvious that this chain is marketing towards a certain crowd - a crowd that includes people who think the idea of daddy dates as cute, and those that are into the whole weird purity thing.

[Glass Cowcatcher]

Tropaka, I think I can remember way back in the day when they gave out cassette tapes with Adventures In Odyssey radio episodes out in their kid's meals. That was probably 20 years ago, but it's far more than marketing to a certain crowd.

[Witsec7]

I got as far as The Good Sirs Manifesto

LEADER

If we are going to change the story on what it means to be a man, it’s going to take leadership. We need vision, determination, heroes, and humility. We need you to the man you’re meant to be!

What if had a vision for our lives and families?

MATE

For those who marry, there’s no more important relationship than the one you have with your spouse. We need marriages that are full of joy, romance, trust, and passion. We need marriages that last.

What if we never stopped pursuing our ladies?

PRODUCER

We were born to create. To do things that matter. To make a difference. We need men who know, sharpen, and use their talents. Who know when to work hard, when to play hard, and when to rest.

What if we did what we were called to do?

What follows is a manifesto for men designed to kickstart our journey to being the heroes we’re called to be.

I really am not up for picking apart the stereotypes that the Rev. Salamun promotes, but I can certainly disagree with his crap. I think if he were exposed to Douggie he'd be doing some kind of 'warrior' cosplay based on his hot buttons.

[AmyP]

What Vision said. They've already been posted on this thread.

well, I am not familiar with all of those organizations. But the few that I am familiar with don't seem to advocate daddy/daughter dating as a replacement for traditional dating. That is a pretty specific position and I would like to know if any of those organizations actually have listed this among their beliefs. Your reply suggested that you knew of one that did and could name it.

[AmyP]

You're a willfully stupid troll.

ad hominem