Mrs Midwest

[savannahhmarie]

10 minutes ago, ViolaSebastian said:

Yeaah. I wear dresses and skirts five or six days out of each week. I spent ten years as a housewife before going back to school. Right now my jealousy of Mrs. Midwest is absolutely zero, because I lived that life and it blew. And I wish she'd realize how awkward her video title sounds. "How to Dress Femininely Casual" could have been much better written as "How To Dress in a Feminine and Casual Way" or "Dressing Femininely in Casual Wear" or "Feminine Casual Wear" or really anything except what she named it. "Casual" is an adjective; she needs a noun in there somewhere. 

Same. She is completely deluded. Ahh, i remember when I was 26 and celebrating my second-year anniversary with my first husband. ?? I thought I had found my Disney fantasy come true. ?? Boy, did reality hit a few years later. 

And about the dresses, you know, I dress in both ways—- I can do slob and do completely pretty with a dress. I never saw it as feminine or masculine. I just thought I was automatically feminine by being a woman. As Jaclyn Glenn said, her advice on how to be feminine would be super helpful to a trans person. But the things she spends so much time obsessing over, I thought they just came naturally to most of us.

[ViolaSebastian]

5 minutes ago, savannahhmarie said:

Same. She is completely deluded. Ahh, i remember when I was 26 and celebrating my second-year anniversary with my first husband. ?? I thought I had found my Disney fantasy come true. ?? Boy, did reality hit a few years later. 

And about the dresses, you know, I dress in both ways—- I can do slob and do completely pretty with a dress. I never saw it as feminine or masculine. I just thought I was automatically feminine by being a woman. As Jaclyn Glenn said, her advice on how to be feminine would be super helpful to a trans person. But the things she spends so much time obsessing over, I thought they just came naturally to most of us.

That's an ongoing theme in the people we discuss here--married ten minutes and already consider themselves experts on marriage. Likewise, have one toddler and think they're experts on parenting. It's ridiculous and she comes off as ridiculous when she tries to give marriage advice. She can give me advice after they've been through kids, a serious illness, serious money troubles, moving or remodeling, etc. The shit has not yet begun to hit the fan at two years, in my experience.

I've brought this up before, but part of the issue that she has is that she never really defines "feminine," despite using that word constantly. I can infer that her definition of it has a built-in assumption that she's referring to traditionally feminine or stereotypically feminine whatever-she's-discussing, but this belief ignores the millions of traditionally feminine women who work, or used to work, or participated in any number of non-traditionally-feminine activities. Frankly, it comes across as if her definition is one that we'd here from one of these Alt-Right guys she seems to adore, and that does a disservice to a whole lot of  strong, tough, intelligent, educated, and determined women. 

[kaluce]

 

1 hour ago, savannahhmarie said:

 She said that women who start dressing more feminine will be attacked more by other women because they’re jealous. ? Sure, any time a woman criticizes another it means she’s jealous. Give me a break. 

I wear dresses almost everyday.  The less I have to wear pants or * shudder * go shopping for jeans, the better. Not ONE woman has ever "attacked" me- most women I know are either absolutely supportive of other's styles, or just don't care. 

I can not STAND the presumptuousness of people like her and other fundies who act like love and light shoots out of their butt, but then turn around, trash everyone else, and just assume everyone different from them will "attack them" for their beliefs. If you wanna be a sahm mom- fantastic. If you wanna be a career woman- fantastic. If you're a christian- fantastic and on and on. Legit no one seems to care about other's lives as much as these people do. It's absolute projection.

 

[Sonic the Whoredgehog]

She reminds me of the type of girl who shows up to class in full sorority pin day garb every day and then sits in the cafeteria with her identically-dressed sorority friends talking about how other girls aren't nice to them becuase they just look so nice and we're all just jealous and intimidated. No Becky, we don't like you because you're a prissy twat who's basically in a cult. 

My two cents is that if it wasn't for her submissive, keep-sweet attitude, she'd be a huge bitch and no man would be able to stand her. Kind of like Lori Alexander pre-"transformation". 

[Hane]

@Sonic the Whoredgehog, I just flashed back to the Lambdas, a sorority on my college campus back in the early ‘70s, a time when the Greek system was laughable to most people. They would sit themselves front and center at the primo table in the student union. They chose their members based on looks and said things like “110 pounds sounds like an awful lot for someone who’s only 5’2”.”

Mean Smug Girls come in all stripes. In Lancaster PA, I was in a general store frequented by Amish and Mennonite customers. I saw a young pregnant Mennonite woman in white cap, pink flowered dress, and white sneakers walk by, hands lying casually across her abdomen, a smug smile on her face advertising, “Look at me! I’m the Perfect Pious Young Wife and Mother!” I’m willing to bet she was her community’s prime Judgy Bitch.

[Petronella]

2 hours ago, Hane said:

Mean Smug Girls come in all stripes. In Lancaster PA, I was in a general store frequented by Amish and Mennonite customers. I saw a young pregnant Mennonite woman in white cap, pink flowered dress, and white sneakers walk by, hands lying casually across her abdomen, a smug smile on her face advertising, “Look at me! I’m the Perfect Pious Young Wife and Mother!” I’m willing to bet she was her community’s prime Judgy Bitch.

While I agree that all communities likely have their versions of this, the young woman you describe did nothing but look pretty and smile. Deciding her smile must be "smug" and that her hand on her belly (a very common pose for pregnant women) must be showing off seems like assumption not actual observation.

[kaluce]

No one:

Not one person:

Mrs.Midwest after going near some corn for 2 seconds:

[Missindependent]

On 9/25/2019 at 5:26 PM, savannahhmarie said:

I think it may have to do with the fact that she was a small channel with few subscribers until a known misogynist by the name of YogiOAbs interviewed her on his channel as the ideal woman and doubled her viewership. His channel eventually got censored for hate speech and now he has a what he calls a “more professional channel” called YogiOAbs Reborn. He made a response video to the Jaclyn Glenn’s critique of Mrs. Midwest almost right away, of course, in defense of the latter. He isn’t as aggressive as he used to be, but if you’ve seen a few of his older videos, you know he is really messed up in his opinions of women. This guy has been a huge influence on her. I think she likes his attention. A few weeks ago she was even displaying that she can cook Indian dishes, and he is of Indian descent.... I might be reading too much into it, but I have a nagging suspicion that as much as she loves her husbear and all that he provides her for being a “modest” feminine woman, she’s also aware of her beauty and the attention it attracts. Of course she enjoys it. At two years of marriage, she is doing great, but believe me, LIVING the forever story is not at all as she portrays it as she will discover in 5, 10, 15 years, if she can make it that long without her popularity and the attention of guys getting to her head.

She is disgusting for supporting that pedophile.  YogiOabs is a nasty nasty man. Not only does he hate western women and women over 25 but he had a 16 year old come on his youtube channel and discuss her rape fantasy with him. This got him investigated by the police. He also thinks the best age for women to marry is 16-22 and does not understand why it Is considered wrong to marry a 12 year old. Than there is her other idol Roosh V who is also a nasty man. He also hates older women and western women. He believes in Fat shaming and public humiliation of fat women to eventually make them thin. He also said Rape should be legal. He later got death threats and was investigated by the police so he had to go back to the article and say it was satire months after writing it. He claimed women over 25 are like stale bread. Here are some articles for proof. 

https://www.rooshv.com/how-to-stop-rape

http://www.returnofkings.com/675/women-are-like-bread

I don't understand how she can support these disgusting men. I think some youtube channel should expose her for the danger she is because the previous girl who did actually did a bad job and got her more followers. I don't even believe she is genuine. Either she is an actor hired by alt right youtube to play this role since she fits their image of young white blonde. Or she is a real person but does not believe in the crap she says but is doing it for money and fame. She strikes me as someone to lazy to get a real job but knows how much money she can make on youtube if she goes for the Alt right movement which is very popular online. Or she actually believes in this crap but it is because she has been brainwashed by her porn addicted husband and church. I don't see how a sane woman would support the people she does. Like does she not understand that she is almost 25 which is super young but too old for the men she supports. She will age, and then what? It is ok for her husbear to cheat and leave her for a younger woman? Or maybe she would not mind since she might "get half" which is not even all that true. Plus her mentality is the reason why so many men are going mgtow since women like her view men as ATM machines. I just cannot with her anymore. 

[nausicaa]

Just now, Missindependent said:

He claimed women over 25 are like stale bread. Here are some articles for proof. 

https://www.rooshv.com/how-to-stop-rape

http://www.returnofkings.com/675/women-are-like-bread

He actually claimed all women over 24 are like stale bread.

So tick tock, blondie...

(Seriously why would any woman subscribe to this thinking? The clock ticks for all of us and unlike weight or occupation you have zero control over the matter.)

[Missindependent]

4 minutes ago, nausicaa said:

He actually claimed all women over 24 are like stale bread.

So tick tock, blondie...

(Seriously why would any woman subscribe to this thinking? The clock ticks for all of us and unlike weight or occupation you have zero control over the matter.)

These are the type of people who follow and comment on her idol Roosh V. Let this sink in...

May 26, 2014 Baguette

No ephebephile, but girls are ready for relationships and baby making around as early as 9 to 12 years of age(blame the shitty diet some have here in the occident). 18 is when they start to decline. Women do not mature mentally past around 14 years of age, and from that point they age like milk. Fortunately for us, men age like a fine red. In the US aoc is 16 though. There just learning the power they hold over thirsty betas at that point though. Fuck 16 year olds though, and by that I mean not with your weiner. They are insufferable.

Edited October 3, 2019 by Missindependent

[Hane]

@Missindependent, “No ephebephile, but...”? This trash being is the DEFINITION of ephebophile!

Edited October 3, 2019 by Hane

[nausicaa]

11 hours ago, Missindependent said:

These are the type of people who follow and comment on her idol Roosh V. Let this sink in...

May 26, 2014 Baguette

No ephebephile, but girls are ready for relationships and baby making around as early as 9 to 12 years of age(blame the shitty diet some have here in the occident). 18 is when they start to decline. Women do not mature mentally past around 14 years of age, and from that point they age like milk. Fortunately for us, men age like a fine red. In the US aoc is 16 though. There just learning the power they hold over thirsty betas at that point though. Fuck 16 year olds though, and by that I mean not with your weiner. They are insufferable.

I saw that and choose to believe that is someone just trying to troll these losers. 

I choose to believe that. I have to believe. Please let me believe that. 

[smittykins]

12 hours ago, Missindependent said:

In the US aoc is 16 though.

Not so fast, bucko.  It’s 17 in NY(I know, I live here), and I believe it’s 18 in CA.

[Firefury14620]

16 hours ago, Missindependent said:

These are the type of people who follow and comment on her idol Roosh V. Let this sink in...

May 26, 2014 Baguette

No ephebephile, but girls are ready for relationships and baby making around as early as 9 to 12 years of age(blame the shitty diet some have here in the occident). 18 is when they start to decline. Women do not mature mentally past around 14 years of age, and from that point they age like milk. Fortunately for us, men age like a fine red. In the US aoc is 16 though. There just learning the power they hold over thirsty betas at that point though. Fuck 16 year olds though, and by that I mean not with your weiner. They are insufferable.

This guy has to be a troll. Like, seriously, I just have to believe that he isn't being serious. I lost brain cells reading that. 9-12-year-olds have a very high likelihood of dying in childbirth, he has to know that, especially if he lives in the US.

[polecat]

On 9/30/2019 at 3:46 PM, ViolaSebastian said:

That's an ongoing theme in the people we discuss here--married ten minutes and already consider themselves experts on marriage. Likewise, have one toddler and think they're experts on parenting. It's ridiculous and she comes off as ridiculous when she tries to give marriage advice. She can give me advice after they've been through kids, a serious illness, serious money troubles, moving or remodeling, etc. The shit has not yet begun to hit the fan at two years, in my experience.

I've been married ~20 years now, and I still don't consider myself an expert. We've faced a lot of really hard stuff together, but there are plenty of things we haven't gone through. Every person and every couple is so different, and their approach to issues is different. I might give advice to close friend (if ASKED) and can absolutely spot red flags from a few years and will point them out (if ASKED), but generally speaking, I keep my damn opinion to myself and leave marital counseling to the experts. 

 

[savannahhmarie]

17 hours ago, Missindependent said:

She is disgusting for supporting that pedophile.  YogiOabs is a nasty nasty man. Not only does he hate western women and women over 25 but he had a 16 year old come on his youtube channel and discuss her rape fantasy with him. This got him investigated by the police. He also thinks the best age for women to marry is 16-22 and does not understand why it Is considered wrong to marry a 12 year old. Than there is her other idol Roosh V who is also a nasty man. He also hates older women and western women. He believes in Fat shaming and public humiliation of fat women to eventually make them thin. He also said Rape should be legal. He later got death threats and was investigated by the police so he had to go back to the article and say it was satire months after writing it. He claimed women over 25 are like stale bread. Here are some articles for proof. 

https://www.rooshv.com/how-to-stop-rape

http://www.returnofkings.com/675/women-are-like-bread

I don't understand how she can support these disgusting men. I think some youtube channel should expose her for the danger she is because the previous girl who did actually did a bad job and got her more followers. I don't even believe she is genuine. Either she is an actor hired by alt right youtube to play this role since she fits their image of young white blonde. Or she is a real person but does not believe in the crap she says but is doing it for money and fame. She strikes me as someone to lazy to get a real job but knows how much money she can make on youtube if she goes for the Alt right movement which is very popular online. Or she actually believes in this crap but it is because she has been brainwashed by her porn addicted husband and church. I don't see how a sane woman would support the people she does. Like does she not understand that she is almost 25 which is super young but too old for the men she supports. She will age, and then what? It is ok for her husbear to cheat and leave her for a younger woman? Or maybe she would not mind since she might "get half" which is not even all that true. Plus her mentality is the reason why so many men are going mgtow since women like her view men as ATM machines. I just cannot with her anymore. 

Everything you said is absolutely true. Yes, someone needs to make a video about this exposing all the points you eloquently described. However, I think all her fans would go after that person, making that group seem invincible. Look at what happened to Jaclyn Glenn! I think she made good points, albeit in her typical style, which didn’t go well with many people. 

I think she and other women like her go for those types of men because they see they have the highest potential of having an ATM with them. The typical equitable guy, no matter how nice he is, would expect some for of contribution from the woman. With those guys, there are so few women who are willing to do that act, that she figures it’s the perfect target group. She can be pretty, and thin and say all the right things and she’s got someone to support her.

50 minutes ago, polecat said:

I've been married ~20 years now, and I still don't consider myself an expert. We've faced a lot of really hard stuff together, but there are plenty of things we haven't gone through. Every person and every couple is so different, and their approach to issues is different. I might give advice to close friend (if ASKED) and can absolutely spot red flags from a few years and will point them out (if ASKED), but generally speaking, I keep my damn opinion to myself and leave marital counseling to the experts. 

 

I’ve been married to my second husband for two years now and I am much more humble about it than with my first (with whom I believed it would be forever as long as I said and did the right things.... it worked, but I got tired of it by age 30!). With my second I’m just enjoying the moment, and like you, don’t give advice unless asked. 

[Missindependent]

6 hours ago, nausicaa said:

I saw that and choose to believe that is someone just trying to troll these losers. 

I choose to believe that. I have to believe. Please let me believe that. 

Girl me too, but men with that mentality actually do believe that

[JermajestyDuggar]

I’ve been married for a decade but I think I give terrible marriage advice. My friends will often vent and I’m a good listener. But I don’t think I’m great at dishing out advice unless it’s a clear case of abuse. Then I can talk with the person about it. But little things that people fight about? I don’t know. I really don’t have any profound ideas on that. I know my marriage. Just because I know about my own personal marriage doesn’t mean I know anything about other people’s marriages. 

[kaluce]

But that's the thing with these types of youtubers and ~christian traditionalist marriage promotors. They feel like there's a very set formula for how a marriage is supposed to be and the exact actions/roles each person needs to take. Oh you're not happy? Its because you're not submitting enough, you're not "feminine" enough, your husband isn't "an alpha masculine man who puts you in your place".  Of course life is easy for her right now - she doesn't do anything other than make bread and look pretty for gross men on the internet.

 

If life is easy, she's doing something right, right?  /s

[Marmion]

2 hours ago, savannahhmarie said:

I think she and other women like her go for those types of men because they see they have the highest potential of having an ATM with them. The typical equitable guy, no matter how nice he is, would expect some for of contribution from the woman. With those guys, there are so few women who are willing to do that act, that she figures it’s the perfect target group. She can be pretty, and thin and say all the right things and she’s got someone to support her.

But just wait until the husband loses his job , and he's struggling to get back on his feet .  The until then sweet , submissive housewife might then be inclined to chide him as being " worse than an infidel " , citing this verse , 1 Timothy 5 : 7-8  .  To which the browbeat husband might respond with something along the lines of this song .   

It is actually my opinion that Christian conservative women tend to be among the worse sort  of wives , when it comes to being supportive , and steadfast , in the face of such adversity .  Because since they are Christian they cannot attribute their unfortunate circumstance to God , and since they are conservative , they cannot fault the arguable shortcomings of capitalism . So the only ones left for them to blame are their husbands , upon whom they depend for their sustenance .   

[Ozlsn]

12 minutes ago, Marmion said:

It is actually my opinion that Christian conservative women tend to be among the worse sort  of wives , when it comes to being supportive , and steadfast , in the face of such adversity .

Them and hedge fund wives. I remember reading an article during the last recession about the stress it was putting on marriages and one woman was quoted as saying something along the lines of "the deal was I would provide children and keep myself looking hot and he would be rich. I kept up my end.." and being absolutely shocked.

Mind you conservative Christisn men often make terrible husbands too, particularly those without the emotional intelligence to accept that their wives are better than them in some male gender precribed areas and let them take over.

As to marriage advice... yeah about I've got is "it helps if you like each other, even if not all the time!"

[Sonic the Whoredgehog]

21 hours ago, nausicaa said:

Seriously why would any woman subscribe to this thinking?

Internalized misogyny is a hell of a drug. Plus, when you have no notable achievements or skills beyond being young, white, and pretty it's very easy to latch onto ideology that vaunts those things as the ultimate in value. The only women I've ever seen espousing redpill/fundie views of "femininity" have invariably been (or at least claimed to be) at least two of those three things. 

The unholy union of misogyny and religion that is "traditional femininity" provides a sense of superiority and achievement to women who have done little to earn either, beyond snaring a man. 

[JermajestyDuggar]

You know what I hate? Advice cards for the new couple at bridal showers. I never know what to write! I just go with something very generic like, “make time for one another.” I can give better advice at a baby shower even though babies are all different. I can at least say, “don’t bother buying a wipe warmer.” And it’s decent advice. They dry them out and most babies are ok with room temp wipes. 

[Hane]

On 10/1/2019 at 3:00 PM, Petronella said:

While I agree that all communities likely have their versions of this, the young woman you describe did nothing but look pretty and smile. Deciding her smile must be "smug" and that her hand on her belly (a very common pose for pregnant women) must be showing off seems like assumption not actual observation.

You hadda be there. She was swanning around the joint maintaining the same pose and condescending smile for a considerable time—but I get your drift.

18 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

You know what I hate? Advice cards for the new couple at bridal showers. I never know what to write! I just go with something very generic like, “make time for one another.”

At my daughter’s wedding, the videographer got in my face and asked me for advice for the newlyweds. I have no idea of what nonsense I said, given the fact that I was thinking, “JFC, I’m not one to talk—I’ve been divorced twice!”

[Shoobydoo]

Total BEC moment, but the way she applies her blush looks like a rash.?