John Shrader Part 11 - God's Grifter Falling Apart

[Gobsmacked]

The words experimental are written on the plane. Is this an Omen?

[Howl]

I noticed that the cockpit part John is sitting in is clearly labeled "experimental".  

Where do the wings attach?  

 

[Evangeline]

I saw Sheffy AT BJU. How many Fundie Points do I get?  I thought it was great, but I was like seven, so......

[Gobsmacked]

15 minutes ago, Howl said:

I noticed that the cockpit part John is sitting in is clearly labeled "experimental".  

Where do the wings attach?  

 

Why do I get the urge to punch him in his silly grinning face?

[Howl]

2 hours ago, Gobsmacked said:

Why do I get the urge to punch him in his silly grinning face?

From Urban Dictionary: Backpfeifengesicht

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A German compound word/term that loosely translates to "Cheek pipe face".  In common use it means something to the effect of "A face badly in need of a fist" meaning this is a person that needs to be punched. Alternate translations list the given action as "slap" rather than "punch".

 

[BlessingsVonFundiePants]

Please let John make this photo with the word "experimental" under him his profile picture! It looks like he escaped from a lab  

[SPHASH]

Experimental is a perfect name.  The Zambia experiment has been a disaster just like the plane.

[Jellybean]

Tempted to blur the 'Experi' from that image

[Grimalkin]

He looks very happy handeling that joystick. I feel certain that's ONE thing he's good at.

[Granwych]

The kiddie airplanes at my local amusement park fly higher and more safely than whatever it is that John is sitting in. 

[Grimalkin]

John joyfully jostles his joystick

[Freejin]

3 hours ago, Howl said:

From Urban Dictionary: Backpfeifengesicht

 

Is that from the 1828 Webster edition? If not, I'm not sure we can accept the validity of the definition. 

He has tagged someone named Nate Holmes in his comment. A potential source of funds, perhaps? 

[turquoise]

He looks like a little kid sitting behind the wheel of his parents' car, pretending he can drive.

[Gobsmacked]

The more I look at that plane, the more I'm convinced that it really is an experimental one as in its a show room model. 

Its a prototype of a plane. The joy stick probably isn't connected to an engine. 

IF by any chance the plane is real, John is going to need a specialist engineer to re-build it.

An instructor to bring John's flying skills up-to-date.

A safe place to keep it in.

Etc etc etc ........... 

Surely Daddy's church cannot afford to fund the above?

[clearingthingsup]

12 hours ago, Palimpsest said:

Many photos of young men.  Goodness knows when they were taken.  It may not have been recently.

 

Seems likes a young men's retreat, not a "youth" retreat? I can't see John's profile so maybe you can add insight - were there any females involved in the fun, or just the preparation for the male enjoyment?

How much you want to bet they'll never do something like this for the women of the church? 

[Pammy]

2 hours ago, clearingthingsup said:

Seems likes a young men's retreat, not a "youth" retreat? I can't see John's profile so maybe you can add insight - were there any females involved in the fun, or just the preparation for the male enjoyment?

How much you want to bet they'll never do something like this for the women of the church? 

I certainly hope he never chooses 5-ish young women from the church, and plans various overnight events for their spiritual enrichment, fun and fellowship! Hanging out with the creepy white pastor is probably not their idea of a good time!

[Palimpsest]

John paid $15K for that pile of pretty perished plane parts.

OK, FJ sleuths, plane research is needed.  According to one of Shrader's old youtube videos he bought a Zenith 801.  He took this video boasting that the Zenith 701 shown here is the smaller version of his miraculous "bush' plane. 

Evidence:

This is what John's plane should look like although it may be an older model.   http://www.zenair801.info/

2 minutes ago, Pammy said:

I certainly hope he never chooses 5-ish young women from the church, and plans various overnight events for their spiritual enrichment, fun and fellowship!

Seriously!  

He has mentioned that Esther has a women's prayer group but we have never been told anything much about the women.  It is all about John mentoring manly men.

 

2 hours ago, clearingthingsup said:

Seems likes a young men's retreat, not a "youth" retreat? I can't see John's profile so maybe you can add insight - were there any females involved in the fun, or just the preparation for the male enjoyment?

Other than Esther cooking, no female involvement at all.

[Palimpsest]

In looking for details on the plane I note that John updated his original mission presentation on youtube.  He updated in December 2013 after the shit hit the fan with Rea and Valley Baptist.

He throws much shade at Rea and his former sending church.  He gives his "resume" as a pastor and spins his way out of deserting his mission to the Dalles by saying that another missionary went there (after he left).  He explains he didn't stick to the original plan to go to Kafulafuto by saying at the end of the video that another family answered the call to go there before he could.  I am somewhat skeptical.

My bolding:

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Published on Dec 9, 2013

* Please note, our Sending Church is now Tri-County Baptist Church in Katy, TX, pastored by my faithful father Rick Shrader. He was sent to plant the church in 1979. Our next video update will reflect this. Sadly, our attempt to have a "Team" of missionaries out of VBC was derailed when the pastoral leadership and the other missionary changed their stated position on Biblical Repentance. We thank God for our Spiritual Authority of Tri-County Baptist Church, which has stood for Biblical Repentance for almost 40 years.

John and Esther Shrader have served the Lord in full-time ministry for more than ten years, with John serving as an Associate Pastor for five years with his father, a church planter who has pastored Tri-County Baptist Church in Katy, Texas for over 34 years, as well as a transitional Assistant position under Pastor Albert Fare in Washington State, a faithful man who served for more than 50 years. God then led John and his family to serve as a Senior Pastor of a small newer church for 4 years in The Dalles, Oregon. John trusted the Lord Jesus Christ as his Saviour at 5 years of age, and Esther at 6. They have both desired to serve the Lord on the foreign mission field since youth, but have waited on the Lord's timing and call. In late 2011, that call finally came. God miraculously brought a pastor for Heritage Bible Baptist church in The Dalles, a man with a six year burden for the area, weeks after the Shraders surrendered to go to Zambia. Truly God has opened a tremendous door, and confirmed it in marvelous ways. Shortly after the Shraders surrendered, another Pastor, Pastor David Rea also surrendered and God also brought a pastor miraculously for his church as well. A survey trip was taken by both couples together during this time of transition. The Lord has led both families to join and serve at Valley Baptist church in Auburn, Washington, where they waited on the Lord's timing yet again. Beginning deputation in the Fall of 2012, the Lord has miraculously and marvelously supplied almost all the Shrader's support, and the Rea's are not far behind. John Shrader is currently studying to get his Pilot's Certificate, as the Lord provided a bush plane that is already in Zambia. This is the last major hurdle before the Shrader's move to Zambia. As explained at the end of the video briefly, when the survey trip was taken there was a need at the Mission Station for laborers to come, and both families were praying about going there. In the time that has transpired with deputation, after much prayer and counsel, our family clearly has seen the Lord leading us to base out of Kafue. Your prayers are appreciated and coveted, and it is so exciting to see what God has already done. If this is the beginning, what shall the end be?

What will the end be and how soon can it come?

8 hours ago, Freejin said:

He has tagged someone named Nate Holmes in his comment. A potential source of funds, perhaps? 

Nate has some sort of flying ministry in the US.  He has previously offered some kind of help with training - in the US.

[nastyhobbitses]

8 hours ago, turquoise said:

He looks like a little kid sitting behind the wheel of his parents' car, pretending he can drive.

Shades of Donnie T in the Mack Truck.

[Palimpsest]

Sorry for multiple posts but John has been busy.  I also want to grab the evidence before he swiffers.  I think he has been getting a lot of questions.

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Clarification for our supporters:

I want to be extremely clear. When we made our last missionary video I had no idea where Jolis and Arcade really were. The last few months have revealed much.

Our plan originally was to train them for another year, then in 2018, if God so directed, to send them back to Burundi.

We have not Biblically "sent" either Arcade or Jolis to Burundi. We sent them back to be under a godly Congolese Biblical Baptist pastor and prove themselves while serving in either Burundi or Congo. There are two reasons for this.

1. Problems with their paperwork. I cannot provide paperwork since we do not have our own registration. Our family is here under another Independent Baptist mission.

2. Both men are accusing the other of lying. This is a heartbreaking situation. One of them cannot be telling the truth in such a case. Maybe both are being duplicitous.

That is why we sent them back to Burundi. To let God show if either of them are genuine. As I previously posted, you can't fake fruit.

Sadly, neither one is following counsel or have submitted themselves to accountability of Pastor Mihigo.

Both men have grown disrespectful of our church, myself, and said things I never would have dreamed. Handia as well. So very sad.

Arcade has been back in Burundi since February, but he still has not even met with Pastor Mihigo or pastor Makuthan (who goes from Uvira, Congo, to minister in Bujumbura, Burundi).

Jolis is in Dar Es Salaam currently.

Please pray for these men, that God will break their hearts and bring them back to Biblical humility and truth.

Though Handia has cut me off and called me a con man, me and Arcade and Jolis have called me a babe in Christ and a deceiver, names, and are saying other unbelievably hurtful things, I still truly love and pray for them. All of them.

Please join me in this.

I have learned much from these three situations, and have seriously reevaluated some aspects of our ministry approach.

God is giving Esther and I grace through the sorrow, and strengthening our hearts. He is truly our Rock, Shield, and High Tower. A very present help in time of trouble.

Thank you from our heart of hearts for lifting us up to the Throne of Grace.

I'm also encouraged to see other men here such as Roderick literally blossoming with genuine Spiritual fruit that is remaining.

God is truly good, all the time.

Bro. John Shrader 
Zambia

I question whether John has the right to "send" anyone anywhere, Biblically or not. Or require them to submit to any pastor.  Talk about control issues!

 He also says he had no idea where Arcade and Jolis were when he touted them in his last video.  Caught in some lies there, Johnny. 

He is reconsidering his approach in some "aspects" of his ministry. BFD.

[formergothardite]

Remember back when John claimed that he was sending people to Burundi to start churches? 

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I want to be extremely clear. When we made our last missionary video I had no idea where Jolis and Arcade really were. 

Translation: I thought they were mindless followers, it ends up they aren't. I can't even use that video!!! I'm torn up over that video.

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The last few months have revealed much.

Translation: The chicken business collapsed and I most likely blamed them and then they woke up and started questioning me!

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Our plan originally was to train them for another year, then in 2018, if God so directed, to send them back to Burundi.

Translation: What am I going to do with my Bible College now?

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We have not Biblically "sent" either Arcade or Jolis to Burundi. We sent them back to be under a godly Congolese Biblical Baptist pastor and prove themselves while serving in either Burundi or Congo. There are two reasons for this.

Translation: Please don't remember that I heavily implied I was sending them. Please don't. 

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1. Problems with their paperwork. I cannot provide paperwork since we do not have our own registration. Our family is here under another Independent Baptist mission.

Translation: Please, please don't remember I acted like I was sending them to Burundi. Anyway, I need to get out from under that other mission before they decide to dump me.

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2. Both men are accusing the other of lying. This is a heartbreaking situation. One of them cannot be telling the truth in such a case. Maybe both are being duplicitous.

John is so quick to spill the beans on other people, but never, ever goes into real details about his own problems. The third option is John is lying. Wouldn't be the first and won't be the last. 

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That is why we sent them back to Burundi. To let God show if either of them are genuine. As I previously posted, you can't fake fruit.

You didn't send them anywhere John! Zambia sent them. These are people John, not fruit, treat them like humans.

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Sadly, neither one is following counsel or have submitted themselves to accountability of Pastor Mihigo.

Both men have grown disrespectful of our church, myself, and said things I never would have dreamed. Handia as well. So very sad.

 

John is loving this. He is trying his best to destroy these guys. But I can believe he would never dream that they would disagree with him.

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Arcade has been back in Burundi since February, but he still has not even met with Pastor Mihigo or pastor Makuthan (who goes from Uvira, Congo, to minister in Bujumbura, Burundi).

Jolis is in Dar Es Salaam currently.

 

There is literally no reason for John to post this info besides him wanting to build himself up and tear these guys down. 

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Please pray for these men, that God will break their hearts and bring them back to Biblical humility and truth.

Nope. The only one who needs to be broken and be humble is John.

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Though Handia has cut me off and called me a con man, me and Arcade and Jolis have called me a babe in Christ and a deceiver, names, and are saying other unbelievably hurtful things, I still truly love and pray for them. All of them.

John loves no one but himself. 

5 minutes ago, Palimpsest said:

I question whether John has the right to "send" anyone anywhere, Biblically or not. Or require them to submit to any pastor.  Talk about control issues!

I think what happened is that they got sent back and John took the credit thinking they would remain under his control and he could pretend he sent out people into Burundi.  Now that they have seen him for the con man he is, he is wanting to change history and make it seem like he never sent them. I bet the real story is interesting and puts John in a very bad light. 

[Palimpsest]

Agreed, @formergothardite.  "Fruit to Your Account" was posted in December but John had no idea where Arcade and Jolis were then.  It makes no sense unless he means spiritually.

Does John even know where Arcade is now?  He may not even be in Burundi to meet with John's chosen pastors - or he is keeping his head down given everything that is going on there.  I hope he is OK.  John doesn't seem to consider that at all.

If Jolis is in Dar Es Salaam he's at least not in Burundi.  I wonder whether both Arcade and Jolis can claim refugee status in neighboring countries.

@subsaharanafrica, do you have any insight into that?  Thanks.

 

[formergothardite]

One thing that stands out when looking at Arcade's FB page is that he appeared to really love John's children and they seemed to care for him. 

Jolis seems to be pretty religious. It looks like John is trying to destroy the lives of two decent men to save his own pride. 

Handia is still friends on FB with John, so he hasn't cut him off, he  just no longer praises him. 

[clearingthingsup]

1 hour ago, Pammy said:

I certainly hope he never chooses 5-ish young women from the church, and plans various overnight events for their spiritual enrichment, fun and fellowship! Hanging out with the creepy white pastor is probably not their idea of a good time!

I would hope not too, but it would be nice for Esther to have a little women's retreat. I feel like in the past they had a mother's day celebration or something where the men served the women lunch (and even then Esther had helped prepare a lot of the food because John was struggling (didn't know how to cook). So a couple hours on Sunday devoted to mothers vs several complete days devoted to men & boys in general. 

Wimmenz are only for making babies & taking care of menfolk. 

I think I can count on one hand the amount of times John has mentioned accomplishments or activities of his girls in the last two years. 

[clearingthingsup]

43 minutes ago, Palimpsest said:

Sorry for multiple posts but John has been busy.  I also want to grab the evidence before he swiffers.  I think he has been getting a lot of questions.

I question whether John has the right to "send" anyone anywhere, Biblically or not. Or require them to submit to any pastor.  Talk about control issues!

 He also says he had no idea where Arcade and Jolis were when he touted them in his last video.  Caught in some lies there, Johnny. 

He is reconsidering his approach in some "aspects" of his ministry. BFD.

I think Jolis & Arcade would love to tell their part of the story.

I think John is lying. 

I have been told from reliable sources that Arcade had paperwork issues so that much is true (but no, John *did* tell him to do missions work in Burundi while he was fixing his papers, so he is lying about that end of it).

I also have been told that John kicked Jolis out & didn't even allow him to get his things. 

He's been fighting with Roderick too so he's obviously doing his absolute best to rein him back in (as we've seen with the ridiculous praising). 

John says arcade & Jolis are both lying about each other. I have been told the exact opposite, that it's John doing the lying. There's two sides to this story & one of them is not being publicly told.