Mike Pence: Almost as bad as Trump but he might not get us killed

[GreyhoundFan]

2 hours ago, AnywhereButHere said:

And by the way Mike, It's hardly religious liberty if your plan is to force everyone to adhere to your values. Just saying...

He thinks people have the liberty to share his religious beliefs or go visit satan. None of that pesky diversity in Penceworld.

[Soulhuntress]

This is a rare moment.  I have nothing to say.  I just cannot say how much these Messianic fools hack me off without copious cursing.  Pence's messianic prayer

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"God of Abraham ... God and Father of my Lord and Savior Yeshua, Jesus the Messiah...hate inspired shooting in synagogue in Pittsburgh"

Oh Dear Lord in Heaven!  Detroit Metro church with a Moody educated pastor calling himself "rabbi" seems perfect for Pence and the phonies running on the GOP ticket.  

[candygirl200413]

It was absolutely disgusting that he tried to pass this too!

[GreyhoundFan]

 

[47of74]

LOL (yeah I know, satire)

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Vice-President Mike Pence has requested that Jesus Christ rapture him up before the special counsel Robert Mueller can indict him, a source close to Pence confirmed on Friday.

Shortly after the former national-security adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the F.B.I., Pence contacted Jesus to discuss the early rapture proposal, the source said.

After the news of Pence’s conversation with Jesus leaked to the press, the Vice-President released an official statement, intended to tamp down speculation about his rapture request.

“I had a good conversation with Jesus Christ earlier in the day,” the statement read. “We touched on the timetable of my rapturing-up, along with a broad range of other issues. That is all I have to say at the present time.”

Yeah, good luck with that Mikey...

[fraurosena]

Watch Pencey-poo squirm as he tries to answer that question. Watch how the obsequious little shit tries to deflect.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Mikes power supply has been severely interfered with methinks. 

1 hour ago, fraurosena said:

Watch Pencey-poo squirm as he tries to answer that question. Watch how the obsequious little shit tries to deflect.

 

Mike's power supply has been severely interfered with me thinks. No coherent thought process synapses flowing through his motherboard.

[Penny]

After his interview, I wondered if he wishes he had told Trump no. My daughter said he looked medicated. You have to be medicated to work in this administration.

[apple1]

1 hour ago, Penny said:

My daughter said he looked medicated. You have to be medicated to work in this administration.

To me - he always looks like that.

[AmazonGrace]

 

[onekidanddone]

On 1/9/2019 at 7:39 AM, Penny said:

After his interview, I wondered if he wishes he had told Trump no. My daughter said he looked medicated. You have to be medicated to work in this administration.

He is medicated by the spirit of G-D!!!!!11111!!!!!!!

Edited January 13, 2019 by onekidanddone

[AmazonGrace]

President Pence will make conversion camps great again

[GreyhoundFan]

I love this quote from HuffPo.

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“Why not teach at a school that welcomes everyone, instead of choosing one that won’t serve LGBTQ kids, kids of LGBTQ parents?” said JoDee Winterhof, senior vice president for policy and political affairs at the Human Rights Campaign, in a statement to HuffPost. “The Pences never seem to miss an opportunity to show their public service only extends to some.”

 

[Cartmann99]

From the article @AmazonGrace posted about Karen Pence's job:

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The employment application is more specific. Teachers must agree to many conditions, such as, “a wife is commanded to submit to her husband as the church submits to Christ.” And these:

“I will maintain a lifestyle based on biblical standards of moral conduct. Moral misconduct which violates the bona fide occupational qualifications for employees includes, but is not limited to, such behaviors as the following: heterosexual activity outside of marriage (e.g., premarital sex, cohabitation, extramarital sex), homosexual or lesbian sexual activity, polygamy, transgender identity, any other violation of the unique roles of male and female, sexual harassment, use or viewing of pornographic material or websites.”

Isn't Mrs. Pence being the Second Lady in an administration where the president is an serial adulterer and where his current wife's pictures from her nude modeling days are plastered all over the internet a bit awkward, or does the magic 'R' make all that okay?

 

[AmazonGrace]

Ah yes, who could forget MLK's famous speech: I have a dream, I want a racist monument 

 

[Howl]

I don't think there are words to describe how noxious and disgusting this is, comparing Trump to MLK.  Trump's dream is a nightmare for everyone who isn't in the 1%. 

No doubt Mother and Pence feel, martyred, I mean absolutely CRUCIFIED over criticism of Mother teaching at a bigot school, but still, this is way over the top. 

[Cartmann99]

Someone on Twitter brought up the fact that Pence is probably relieved that Speaker Pelosi rescinded Trump's SOTU invitation. Having to squeeze Mother in between Pence and Pelosi would be awkward.

[GreyhoundFan]

"Mike Pence’s empty words"

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A few weeks ago, I asked, “What is the point of Sarah Sanders?” The White House press secretary, I argued, is so lazily mendacious in her television appearances that it begs the question of why networks would have her on in the first place. Vice President Pence, like Sanders, is an essentially useless show guest. But unlike Sanders, Pence’s appearances serve a purpose, if only to showcase to viewers how little the White House has to offer.

On CBS’s “Face the Nation” Sunday, Pence described the president’s offer to trade three years of deportation relief for the “dreamers" and some other vulnerable immigrants for billions in funding for a border wall as a “a good-faith, common-sense compromise.” Host Margaret Brennan asked, “If this is a genuine attempt, why weren’t any Democrats included in the consultations for this?” Pence could offer only that, “Well, Margaret we’ve been talking to Democrats over the last four weeks.” After some more back and forth, Brennan said, “I didn’t hear you say which Democrats are supporting it though,” to which Pence could only respond, “Right.”

Over on “Fox News Sunday,” it was a similar (lack of) story from the vice president, as he would not answer whether or not the White House’s proposal has enough votes in the Senate.

“Fox News Sunday" host Chris Wallace further pointed out to Pence, “You could open the government tomorrow. The House has passed bills to open the government tomorrow, why don’t you sign them and open the government and then you can negotiate about this?” Pence could only respond that “the American people want us to secure the border” — even though polls have shown that a clear majority of Americans don’t want a shutdown over border security. Pence then turned to blaming Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)and other House Democrats for not negotiating — a tactic he tried on CBS as well, but not an answer to Wallace’s question.

There were many other nonanswers from Pence on the shutdown — whether the president would negotiate on his requested funding level for the wall, whether Trump would offer dreamers a permanent path to citizenship and other crucial details. But perhaps Pence’s “finest” pablum surfaced back on CBS when he decided that, because it’s the weekend of Martin Luther King Jr. Day, he might as well invoke the civil rights leader:

But one of my favorite quotes from Dr. King was, “Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy.” You think of how he changed America. He inspired us to change through the legislative process to become a more perfect union. That’s exactly what President Trump is calling on the Congress to do. Come to the table in a spirit of good faith.

Yes, who can forget King’s embrace of the legislative process rather than outside protest? Or the government shutdown prior to the passage of the Civil Rights Act?

The vice president had only empty words to offer on Sunday because there was nothing he could offer. No examples of Democrats with whom the White House shared its new proposal. No rationale for why the White House hasn’t already reopened the government aside from leverage. No reason Democrats should now trust a president who changed his mind the last time a deal was struck. That an administration talking head such as Sanders can’t offer useful answers isn’t surprising. That the vice president himself can’t is damning.

 

[GreyhoundFan]

"If Trump is impeachable, so is Pence"

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Michael J. Glennon is a law professor at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University. He is the author of “When No Majority Rules: The Electoral College and Presidential Succession.”

Assume, hypothetically, that the upcoming report by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, together with other evidence, were to establish conclusively that candidate Donald Trump engaged in electoral fraud or corruption by unlawfully coordinating his activities with the Russian government. Assume also that Trump derived a decisive electoral benefit from that coordination. And assume that no probative evidence exists that Vice President Pence was aware of the coordination. Trump would be impeachable. But what about Pence, who himself would have committed no impeachable offense?

The question can be argued either way, but the better view is that Pence, too, would be impeachable. The reason is that, had Trump not engaged in electoral fraud and corruption, Pence, like Trump, would not have been elected. That Pence would still be first in the line of succession to replace Trump is the result of an unintended consequence of the 12th Amendment, which was ratified in 1804. The fate of the Republic ought not turn on a constitutional oversight.

Before the amendment’s ratification, the original Constitution permitted removal of a president for electoral fraud. It didn’t matter whether that misconduct occurred before or after a president took office. The Framers clearly intended that theft of an election through fraud and corruption constitute an impeachable offense. James Madison was not concerned only about pre-election perfidy when he worried, at the Constitutional Convention in 1787, that a president might “betray his trust to foreign powers.” George Mason seemingly spoke for many the same day when he asked, “Shall the man who has practiced corruption and by that means procured his appointment in the first instance, be suffered to escape punishment” by allowing him to stay in office?

Removing a president who had procured office through corruption would not, under the original Constitution, have resulted in a friendly takeover by a vice president of the same political party. When the impeachment clause was written in 1787, political parties did not exist. Madison’s and Jefferson’s Democratic-Republican party began to take shape only after the Constitution was drafted, with their famous 1791 “botany expedition” to New York. The initial system was designed to select as president and vice president the two individuals most qualified to lead the nation, whatever their political philosophy. It did this by permitting members of the electoral college to cast two votes for the office of president. The individual who received the most votes would be president, and the runner-up, vice president.

The system didn’t work as expected. With the emergence of political parties, the election of 1796 left Federalist President John Adams with a Democratic-Republican vice president, his archrival Thomas Jefferson. The election of 1800 created further problems, sticking Jefferson with the conniving Aaron Burr as vice president (whom Jefferson later ordered to be arrested for treason) — and only after a tie between the two in the electoral college led to a wrenching struggle in the House of Representatives that ultimately chose Jefferson.

The 12th Amendment was intended to remedy these ills. It did this by requiring electors to cast separate ballots for president and vice president. This enabled candidates for president and vice president to run together on a party ticket without competing with each other. Yet the change had critically important — and unnoticed — implications for impeachment. The election of a two-person ticket, rather than an individual, had the potential effect of permitting a vice president and his political party to benefit from electoral fraud by the presidential candidate so long as the vice president himself avoided committing an impeachable offense. A party’s ill-gotten gains — the presidency and all its appointments and prerogatives — would then remain in its hands even though its leader, the president, had been impeached and removed from office. Electoral corruption would still be rewarded.

That was not the amendment’s intent. Its object was to preclude the possibility of electing a president and vice president from different parties and to lessen the likelihood of an electoral college deadlock. It was not aimed at scaling back the availability of impeachment as a means of redressing electoral fraud. Nothing in the amendment’s ratification history indicates any intent to give a political party a continuing grip on the presidency should a president gain office, and be removed, because of electoral corruption. There is, to the contrary, every reason to believe that after the amendment’s adoption, the Constitution has in this respect continued to mean what it did in 1787: that the presidency ought not be occupied by someone who attains it as the result of a stolen election.

If Trump were impeachable for electoral fraud, therefore, Pence would be impeachable as well.

 

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[WiseGirl]

Just saw this on Twitter.

[onekidanddone]

16 minutes ago, WiseGirl said:

Just saw this on Twitter.

The honorable Congressman Cummings isn't my Congressman but he does represent my state.

ETA: putting emphasis honorable because Cummings is everything Pence is not.

Edited January 27, 2019 by onekidanddone

[AmazonGrace]

Mike Pence: Mother, mother, have you heard of me?

 

[GreyhoundFan]

"Pence says government shutdown wasn’t a mistake, can’t guarantee there won’t be another one"

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Vice President Pence on Wednesday defended President Trump’s tactic of shutting down the federal government in a bid to gain leverage for border wall funding and said he could not guarantee that another closure will be averted next week.

“I never think it’s a mistake to stand up for what you believe in, and I think what the American people admire most about this president is he says what he means and he means what he says in a very real sense,” Pence said during a television interview. “He said there’s a crisis at our southern border. He said he was determined to get the funding to build a wall and secure our border, and he was willing to take a stand to accomplish that.”

Trump’s demand for $5.7 billion in funding for his long-promised border wall along the U.S.-Mexico border resulted in a 35-day partial shutdown that ended Jan. 25.

A deal struck between Trump and congressional leaders is keeping the government open until Feb. 15 while House and Senate negotiators try to reach a compromise on border-security funding that Trump will sign.

Pence, who appeared on “CBS This Morning” after Trump’s State of the Union address Tuesday night, said the White House agreed to reopen the government for three weeks after talking to “rank-and-file” members of the House and the Senate.

“We were told they were willing to work with us, they were willing to fund a barrier at our southern border and address the other priorities that the president laid out in that common-sense approach,” Pence said. “We’ve taken them at their word. The American people saw that this president is absolutely determined to keep his word to secure our border and end the crisis of illegal immigration.”

Trump has called the ongoing congressional negotiations a “waste of time” and repeatedly raised the prospect of declaring a national emergency that could allow him to direct the military to build a border wall without congressional consent.

Such a move would almost certainly prompt a court challenge, and several leading Republicans have cautioned against it.

Asked if he could guarantee that there won’t be another shutdown after Feb. 15, Pence said he could not.

“Well, I think our hope is that there’s not but, I can’t make that guarantee,” he said. “The simple truth is that Congress needs to do their job. The president laid out last night a common-sense approach to deal with what is a very real crisis on our southern border.”

In a television appearance Wednesday, Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) said a deal could be reached among congressional negotiators if Trump stays out of the process.

Asked whether he thinks that will happen, Schumer told MSNBC: “I don’t know. He can’t help himself. He’s in a hole. He had a great opportunity in that speech to dig himself out of that hole.”

In an earlier interview with CNN, Schumer panned Trump’s State of the Union address more broadly, calling it “political, divisive, calculated, even nasty at times.”

“In the areas where he tried to reach out . . . there was no meat, there was no enthusiasm,” Schumer said.

 

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