Jessa, Ben & Spurgeon - Those Smug Seewalds

[Bad Wolf]

My brother in law is a Presbyterian pastor and a staunch calvinist. Years ago I would have said that he was a kind and compassionate man, but over the years he has gotten so harsh, and very set in his beliefs being the only right kind of Christianity. I can't even begin to describe the pain he has caused (and continues to cause) the family, by his treatment of my sister-in-law(his sister) when she came out of the closet. It has been almost 10 years, and he still can't stop trying to "fix" her. He is convinced that she is going to hell, and even shames his kids into confronting their aunt. 

All those that I have known that are calvinists really come across as elitist, and feeling as if they are better than others. I have heard my brother in law try to explain why he could believe in predestination and at the same time believe in evangelizing and works of mercy, but frankly I haven't seen it. Neither from him or any others of their kind that I know.

we went to a Presbyterian church for many years, but quit because of their stand on gays (and long boring sermons). We're now happy little Episcopalians who don't claim to have all the answers.

[HereticHick]

I agree with twinmamma, if the Duggars keep up these half-assed home deliveries it is only a matter of time before something goes horribly wrong.

 When I think about my many close relatives and friends who very likely would have lost their babies if they had  been at home with such ill-trained attendants, it makes me shudder.

 Not to mention the loved ones who might have bled to death in such a situation if the hospital transfer took too long.

What happens when a pregnant Duggar develops gestational diabetes? Or pre-eclampsia?

 

You would think that the survival of Miracle Josie would have strenghtened their faith in hospitals.  But perhaps it has made them cavalier? Perhaps the Duggars think  "Oh, if a micropremie like Josie can be saved, any less challenging birth is no big deal at all. Let's let Jordyn and a couple of howlers deliver it"

[Rachel333]

IIRC, Mrs. Query, a family friend who had been training as a doula, attended Anna's first birth when the OB, who was also Michelle's OB, was out of town.

The doula at Anna's first birth was Theresa Fedosky, who has been on a few other episodes of the show. Her husband is a doctor but I'm not sure if he was there or not.

[theinvisiblegirl]

The doula at Anna's first birth was Theresa Fedosky, who has been on a few other episodes of the show. Her husband is a doctor but I'm not sure if he was there or not.

Ah, okay! Thanks for correcting  I thought she was at Kenzie's birth. She was probably at another one. These people have so many babies that it's easy to get confused xD

[AngelGirl8811]

You think that they would realize...no that would require common sense. With all of the issues surrounding Jill when she was in labour with Israel, you would think that the Duggars would say "Now Jessa, we don't want there to be a risk with you. We don't want the Free Jingerites saying that we did something wrong. You need to go to a real hospital or have a real midwife." But no! They just keep putting themselves at risk! 

[Vio1et]

They named the baby Spurgeon Elliott but they're calling him Quincy?  Help a girl out and let me in on how they got from point A to point B.

[choralcrusader8613]

They named the baby Spurgeon Elliott but they're calling him Quincy?  Help a girl out and let me in on how they got from point A to point B.

Ben joked to Jessa that they were doing a Q-letter theme, so they decided to call the baby Quincy until he was born.

[AngelGirl8811]

They named the baby Spurgeon Elliott but they're calling him Quincy?  Help a girl out and let me in on how they got from point A to point B.

They called the baby Quincy all throughout the pregnancy. That's where it came from. 

[FaithAndReason]

So does no attendants also likely mean no prenatal care for Jessa?

We knew that Jill was using Mrs Query and her trainer was her MWs.

 

These people are idiots, plain and simple.

And again, MICHELLE USED HOSPITALS,  MDS AND PROBABLY PAIN MEDS FOR MOST OF HER DELIVERIES. WHY MUST THE GIRLS BE SUBJECTED TO LOWER STANDARDS?

Because the girls are even MORE Christian this way.  Duh.....

[Escapefromfundiedom]

They named the baby Spurgeon Elliott but they're calling him Quincy?  Help a girl out and let me in on how they got from point A to point B.

Point A: We are going to give our child a horrible, awkward, ridiculous OTT name to show what Good Christians (tm) we are.

 

Point B: Yeah, there's no way we can call him that. We'll just call him Quincy because that was his nickname during pregnancy.

[FaithAndReason]

we went to a Presbyterian church for many years, but quit because of their stand on gays (and long boring sermons). We're now happy little Episcopalians who don't claim to have all the answers.

Just for the record all, Presbyterians are not created the same. There are liberal, open, welcoming Presbyterians (PCUSA) who believe in welcoming all, gay marriage, value education and higher learning,  don't claim all the answers, etc. etc., etc.  Of which I am proudly one of these.

Then there are very conservative Presbyterians (PCA) and now Presbyterians who are breaking away from the PC(USA) above to create an evangelical conservative Presbyterian faith primarily as a result of the vote on gay marriage in the PCUSA a few years ago, but there are other factors as well.

So don't lump all of us together in the conservative basket. Thanks!

[LovelyLuna]

I’m gobsmacked that they might have had only family members there. This was Jessas first birth. I can’t imagine how scary it would be to give birth in my home with just my mom, MIL, two sisters and teenage husband having never done it before (or just period, but ya know what I mean). Terrifying. I’m hopping this is just a rumor but with these people you never know.

[KSmom]

Faith and Reason- I should have been clearer- my brother in law is PCA, and actually we are a part of a PCUSA congregation that is inclusive.

[DuggarWatch]

 

Debbie Query might have been there.  According to this article, Vanessa of Butterfly Midwifery lost her license because of negligence.  She can't be anyone's midwife anymore but she seems to still be attending a lot of births.  Does someone who has a license go with her?

http://www.inquisitr.com/2574999/duggar-family-midwife-slams-jessa-and-jill-for-homebirths/

Edited to say that the quote thing didn't work.  I was responding to accountingstar's post above.

[sophie10130]

I agree with twinmamma, if the Duggars keep up these half-assed home deliveries it is only a matter of time before something goes horribly wrong.

 When I think about my many close relatives and friends who very likely would have lost their babies if they had  been at home with such ill-trained attendants, it makes me shudder.

 Not to mention the loved ones who might have bled to death in such a situation if the hospital transfer took too long.

What happens when a pregnant Duggar develops gestational diabetes? Or pre-eclampsia?

 

You would think that the survival of Miracle Josie would have strenghtened their faith in hospitals.  But perhaps it has made them cavalier? Perhaps the Duggars think  "Oh, if a micropremie like Josie can be saved, any less challenging birth is no big deal at all. Let's let Jordyn and a couple of howlers deliver it"

I hate to be this way, but I do not think Josie would have survived if they did not have TLC-backed money. Josie was saved, not by Jesus, but by a very expensive team of spectacularly trained doctors and nurses. They were only able to afford those things because of TLC.

And yet, they still poo-poo at hospital births knowing full well the awesome care they can provide that would have been impossible just twenty years ago when Michelle was having her first round of kids.

Something about this makes me so mad, and I can't quite put my finger on what it is. Privilege of some sort perhaps? The fact that Michelle couldn't have had 19 kids without the help of hospitals, and yet expects everyone to deliver at home? The fact that 100 years ago having 19 kids who survived past 5 would have been nearly impossible? I don't know. Maybe someone else can figure it out for me.

[SassyPants]

I agree with twinmamma, if the Duggars keep up these half-assed home deliveries it is only a matter of time before something goes horribly wrong.

 When I think about my many close relatives and friends who very likely would have lost their babies if they had  been at home with such ill-trained attendants, it makes me shudder.

 Not to mention the loved ones who might have bled to death in such a situation if the hospital transfer took too long.

What happens when a pregnant Duggar develops gestational diabetes? Or pre-eclampsia?

 

You would think that the survival of Miracle Josie would have strenghtened their faith in hospitals.  But perhaps it has made them cavalier? Perhaps the Duggars think  "Oh, if a micropremie like Josie can be saved, any less challenging birth is no big deal at all. Let's let Jordyn and a couple of howlers deliver it"

That would require having prenatal care. Jill and Jessa both had almost 10 pound FIRST babies- far larger than the average first born singleton. Dollars to donuts  those girls had higher than average BS levels, and I doubt either was screened for GD.

[Furbabies]

Just throwing this out there... A wee glimpse of Spurgey's future.

http://www.kake.com/news/scitech/headlines/Endangered-sturgeon-rediscover-habitat-key-for-spawning-351497951.html?llsms=1258051&c=y&device=phone&c=y

[Rachel333]

Is a first baby usually smaller than the others?

I was nearly 10 lbs when I was born and I was my mom's first and biggest baby. The others were all big too (even the twins were 7-8 lbs each), but not quite that big.

[ClaraOswin]

Here's all you need to know about the Arndts - when it's someone's birthday they have their cake in their parents' bed. Even the kidults.

If that isn't enough to get you intrigued, I can't imagine what is.

Also, they call their daughter Wizzy.

Aww, Wizzy was a childhood nickname of a relative of mine. Her name is Elizabeth and her brother had a hard time with Ls so it came out as "Ewizabeth" and then was just shortened to "Wizzy." She was called it off and on for almost 2 decades. I think even now, her brothers sometimes call her Wizzy. 

[gustava]

I hate to be this way, but I do not think Josie would have survived if they did not have TLC-backed money. Josie was saved, not by Jesus, but by a very expensive team of spectacularly trained doctors and nurses. They were only able to afford those things because of TLC.

As long as Clown Car went to the hospital, she would have been given excellent care.  TLC did not pay for it; we, the taxpayers, did.

[Valerie3kids]

That would require having prenatal care. Jill and Jessa both had almost 10 pound FIRST babies- far larger than the average first born singleton. Dollars to donuts  those girls had higher than average BS levels, and I doubt either was screened for GD.

I don't think they have much care besides the ultrasound to show the sex of the baby. I don't believe they have any ultrasounds for potential problems, not suggesting they would terminate a pregnancy but most people would like to have specialists there at delivery to provide for the baby. I get the impression they just go on a "wing and a prayer" and all will work out. I believe in prayer and I also believe in doctors. I feel God made doctors for a purpose. One walk through an old cemetery will show you that not too long ago babies did not have a great chance at making it. I feel neither had any tests for high blood pressure or gestational diabetes.

I do believe TLC money factored into the care both Josie and Michelle received. But, they will never admit it.

I can not imagine delivering my first baby or ANY baby with no one of any type of experience in the room? Who was Michelle to say Jessa didn't need transport when she complained of pain? That could have easily been due to an ill placed baby such as sunny side up. Plus, with the nim wits these girls seem to marrying who will take care of their children if they were to pass trying to have a home birth? Jill, should in no way attempt a home birth and I don't believe Jessa should the next time either. The article I read stated that once Jessa arrived at the hospital she almost passed out due to blood loss thus one of the reasons for the transfusion. I just can not imagine being so callous about the care of my daughters and grandchildren's lives. Being ignorant does not make  you a better Christian.

Just last week, my youngest daughter had a very rough delivery due to the cord being wrapped around both the baby's arm(which was up by her head) and twice around her neck. It gives me the willies just thinking of what could have happened if she had been a Duggar. We could have easily lost them both.

I am glad the midwife services spoke up. That alone speaks volumes about the decisions this family is making.

[geergirl]

That would require having prenatal care. Jill and Jessa both had almost 10 pound FIRST babies- far larger than the average first born singleton. Dollars to donuts  those girls had higher than average BS levels, and I doubt either was screened for GD.

This wouldn't surprise me at all.  It didn't really occur to me because big babies are the norm in my family.  The only babies out of my 14 cousins and our 5 children that were under 8 pounds were twins and/or premature.  We're all big people though and the Duggars aren't.  Given their awful "medical" care it doesn't seem out of line that GD would be missed.

[ClaraOswin]

Are the Mommy's Butterfly people trying to say that if a REAL midwife had attended the birth, Jessa wouldn't have needed to go to the hospital for a blood transfusion? That makes no sense to me. (And are the Mommy's Butterfly people midwives with the same certification as Jill or are they CMs or CNMs?)

Didn't see see Debbie Query and some other lady in the 2-hour birth special for Izzy? I seem to recall some lady sitting on the couch and asking Jill questions. Anyone else remember? I have it on the DVR. I may have to check it out later.

[Georgiana]

I don't understand why the Duggars are clinging to this "homebirth" wagon when the Bates women are having hospital and birthing center births and no one cares.  

[ClaraOswin]

Someone named "Robert Smith" (fake name) made this comment on Facebook...

Robert Smith Okay, Everyone here is speculating. Let me lay it out for you, and yes I created this account just to comment on this thread without revealing who I am. First, Jill's midwife was investigated by the state for Jill's birth and cleared. Do a freedom of information with the state you can read about it. She was not informed by Jill, she was not at her house. There was no midwife there. Jill's friend and apprentice midwife was there, she is now licensed by the state and is currently under investigation for her involvement in Jill's birth. Stay tuned on that one. She will most likely lose her license. My bet with the comments here is that Teresa Fedosky was the "midwife" involved in Jessa's birth. She is not licensed, never has been, she is not a midwife, she is not trained in anything. Her husband is a MD. The state has received several anonymous tips about her, but no one wants to file a formal complaint. Now Intouch or someone else reading this if you want to help with that go ahead. Glad they are all healthy, but unwise decisions were made. If Teresa was used then unsafe and unwise decisions were made. Believe me the state monitors this page, so post away and the leads will be followed.

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I am not shocked it was Teresa. Her husband is pretty shady too, if I recall.

I want to know who the first part of the comment is about...who is being investigated??