Josh Duggar Checks into Rehab

[Sundaymorning]

Well, I'm pretty sure he will.

Honestly, I'm not too concerned that Josh and the Duggars will ever get big again. Maybe among certain fundies, but they have certainly lost the appeal they had for the rest of the population.

If it would only be the AM scandal, then I agree that Josh would be able to make a comeback. But the molestations and now this new scandal combined are just a bit too much, most people won't buy that he has really changed anytime soon.

[fundiefan]

So a life of praying and work and control will cure him. Because it all worked so well the first 27 years of his life.

What a joke.

Anyone else wonder why mommy & daddy are still being his mouthpiece? I mean, even d list celebrities have PR folks who say they've gone off to rehab, but it's done on behalf of the person, not instead of the person. Josh hasn't said a damn thing in months. His parents & sisters went on tv, his parents tell everyone he's off to rehab.

Their way of life sucks and doesn't work yet they continue to do it. This isn't the last of Josh's shenanigans or any other Duggar. I think it's clear they aren't raising their many children to be responsible, productive adults. They get married, make the babies, and still have the abilities and intelligence and sense of reality of a 2 year old.

[JeanieCat]

I drove by the place this morning. It's nondescript - you wouldn't know it was a treatment facility by just looking at it. Now what I am wondering is this: it's connected to a local church here, although I think they are just using the church ground/big building. I wonder if these men are allowed to attend this church on Sundays, or is this all strictly in-house? I honestly don't know.

If you mean North Love Baptist Church the answer is yes. Even when they have visitors they must attend Sunday School and both AM & PM services at North Love. Found this little tidbit in the Supporters section of the RU website!

[momtokenpa]

Well that's one to space the babies.

[meowmeow19]

I believe that Sex Addiction is an actual disorder, a variation on on other types of addictions that manifests as sex releasing intense anxiety, compulsive thoughts, pain, etc...

I am still not convinced Smugs is a sex addict. I see him as a raging mysogenist brought up in a house where he was crowned prince and taught women were to submit to all men but especially him.

Other children growing up in ATI knew Gothard had a special type that he sought alone time with. All his mentors and guides were either predators or also mysogenists. If Jills stats are correct 2/3 of the families he was allowed to socialize with had molestations and rapes occur. His own family twisted his predatory actions into mild, inappropriate touching.

How could he turn out any other way?

I don't know if sex addiction is a real thing but I do know that "porn brain" exists. Meaning you go down this path of looking at normal porn and end up in the most erotic, super sexual, kinky shit out there and normal stuff doesn't get you going anymore. Porn isn't my thing but my male roommates have been pretty open about how it's been a struggle. Instead of just having some "personal alone time", you start adding porn to the mix and after awhile you can't do without it. I couldn't imagine what that is like when 99.9% of women and men don't look like porn stars or want to always have porn style sex. I read something about the history of browser and porn searches have changed over time and now the top searches are aimed at things like Young Girls or Brutal Sex. I think porn is great for a good portion of society but can be something that can turn havoc in the rest of society. Josh has had a long struggle with sex while it doesn't matter if it's a real medical problem in the DSM but it's clearly an issue for him.

[tcach]

If Josh does have borderline personality disorder, complicated by his sexually repressive upbringing, RU is not going to be able to treat him properly

And borderline personality disorders are notoriously difficult to treat successfully. They know exactly what to say - even in therapy with qualified professionals.

[OodOnTheLoo]

From the RU website:

"If you arrive without a strong work ethic, you will receive one while in this program. It may be one of the most important ingredients missing in your life."

Well, that's something I suppose...

Honestly, as ridiculous as this therapy is I can't help but smile thinking that Josh will have to LIVE this bullshit he has been preaching. And NO internet! I admit, that would suck more than going without sex.

[ShebrewDefrauder]

So a life of praying and work and control will cure him. Because it all worked so well the first 27 years of his life.

What a joke.

Anyone else wonder why mommy & daddy are still being his mouthpiece? I mean, even d list celebrities have PR folks who say they've gone off to rehab, but it's done on behalf of the person, not instead of the person. Josh hasn't said a damn thing in months. His parents & sisters went on tv, his parents tell everyone he's off to rehab.

Their way of life sucks and doesn't work yet they continue to do it. This isn't the last of Josh's shenanigans or any other Duggar. I think it's clear they aren't raising their many children to be responsible, productive adults. They get married, make the babies, and still have the abilities and intelligence and sense of reality of a 2 year old.

I think JB and DQ are still acting as the mouthpiece because of a confluence of factors:

1. Boob has such a huge ego and because of his fame and profile thinks that he is qualified to be making social media statements when any social media expert would laugh at them based on how this whole affair (see what I did there?) has been handled. He has no idea that the statements he has been putting out have basically eviscerated what credibility this family had to begin with, because in his mind these are all perfectly normal things to say in this type of situation. In reality, any sane person can see right through the bullshit.

2. I think they are still compensating in a lot of ways for the whole molestation scandal, as if to say "we now realize that to the outside world we look like massive fuck ups, let's show them we can take care of this whole mess and everything will be back to normal"

3. I think they are trying to minimize the damage to their reputations when it comes to Anna and how much shit they've put her through since she unfortunately was sold off to this lying, molesting, philandering, excuse for a human being that they call a son. They want people to think that they will protect her and try to erase or make up for the damage he has caused, when in reality they are once again just bringing her into the fold where she will be 'counseled' to make sweet, forgive and forget about this while pumping out more M babies.

Mostly, I think number 1 is the biggest factor PR-wise. I don't Boob has ever even considered the possibility that he's not nearly as smart and media-savvy as he thinks he is. Otherwise he might have held back from making statements, hired a PR professional, and maybe even advised his stupid fucking kids to stay off of social media and not give further exposure to a media fiasco that people probably won't be forgetting any time soon when their names are brought up. /endrant

[Four is Enough]

Gotta agree with ShebrewDefrauder on well written points. Josh is still hiding behind his parents. They are too stupid and convinced of their own importance to get out of their own way.

And about this "rehab center." Men, and women, living together? Being treated together? That can't end well...... :pink-shock:

[Rainytown]

I think JB and DQ are still acting as the mouthpiece because of a confluence of factors:

1. Boob has such a huge ego and because of his fame and profile thinks that he is qualified to be making social media statements when any social media expert would laugh at them based on how this whole affair (see what I did there?) has been handled. He has no idea that the statements he has been putting out have basically eviscerated what credibility this family had to begin with, because in his mind these are all perfectly normal things to say in this type of situation. In reality, any sane person can see right through the bullshit.

Throwing this one out here.

I'm not a doctor. I don't play one on TV. At the same time, one has to wonder if a certain father of nineteen is dealing with the same challenges his oldest son seems to deal with. He's narcissistic, believes he knows it all, will not listen to anyone else (no matter how qualified), believes himself to be "special" or "chosen", etcetera. This could also explain why he and his wife will not countenance sending their obviously-troubled eldest son to a facility that might actually produce results.

Again, IMHO, YMMV.

[DigDugger]

This is genius! After 6 months there he'll have forgotten his password to all his internet porn provider sites :lol: . Problem solved. Cue book and speaking tour; oh and another Mbaby.

So, when he gets home from sex rehab, how will he celebrate his reunion with his wife? Wouldn't want to fall off the wagon.

[chelleinchicago]

Gotta agree with ShebrewDefrauder on well written points. Josh is still hiding behind his parents. They are too stupid and convinced of their own importance to get out of their own way.

And about this "rehab center." Men, and women, living together? Being treated together? That can't end well...... :pink-shock:

According to the link in my last post (from Gawker) where it lists the daily activities and rules, "No fraternization or conversation with the opposite sex is permitted for any reason at any time." When they go to church they have to sit on opposite sides, too. They're also encouraged to turn each other in for violations of the rules. If they know someone has misbehaved and don't turn them in, they receive the same punishment.

[FreeJesusFromFundies]

And borderline personality disorders are notoriously difficult to treat successfully. They know exactly what to say - even in therapy with qualified professionals.

As far as I understand it, RU doesn't have any qualified professionals to successfully treat anything. Mental health disorders need mental health help. Not Get Right with Jesus camp.

[Pandie5]

Is there qualifications for this "addiction" he has? # of hours spent on porn? $$$ spent on hookers? Not saying it isn't a real addiction. Just saying I don't think Josh has it.

He's a guy that should have spent his teens and 20's finding himself, sowing his wild oats and proving he could actually make it in his own WITHOUT JB getting him jobs. Not a biblical scholar, but how many stories are in there of men having to make their OWN way (no help from pa) before getting married?

That same process (proving his self worth to himself) is his only cure. Currently his only goal has been to make mom and dad happy, not himself, not another human being. I am kinda starting to feel bad for him. Aside from the molestation crap. But that's on mom and dad too.

[OodOnTheLoo]

No, it is not.

There is no such thing as sex or porn addiction.

With such strong arguments and reliable resources cited how could I argue with you?!!

There is currently a disorder called Sex Addiction. I'm not the one to argue with if you don't agree with the DSM.

That wasn't my point anyway. My point is that I don't even see Josh meeting the criteria for sex addiction as listed in DSM. I was trying to say, it's not addiction, it's a product of his upbringing.

[TheJewAmongUs]

Gotta agree with ShebrewDefrauder on well written points. Josh is still hiding behind his parents. They are too stupid and convinced of their own importance to get out of their own way.

And about this "rehab center." Men, and women, living together? Being treated together? That can't end well...... :pink-shock:

They own several buildings, the ones listed as the men's school and the women's school are 8 miles apart.

It's pathetic that his parents are releasing statements on his behalf. And it also makes his other statement seem a little more hollow that they used the same "precious wife" wording. Like those two words go together without any personal meaning behind them. I did like the part about brining great insult to their values. What, you mean this isn't the fault of the lesbian police conspiracy against you?

[Sherryburger]

According to the link in my last post (from Gawker) where it lists the daily activities and rules, "No fraternization or conversation with the opposite sex is permitted for any reason at any time." When they go to church they have to sit on opposite sides, too. They're also encouraged to turn each other in for violations of the rules. If they know someone has misbehaved and don't turn them in, they receive the same punishment.

How very Nazi of them.

[BekahJ]

Is there qualifications for this "addiction" he has? # of hours spent on porn? $$$ spent on hookers? Not saying it isn't a real addiction. Just saying I don't think Josh has it.

He's a guy that should have spent his teens and 20's finding himself, sowing his wild oats and proving he could actually make it in his own WITHOUT JB getting him jobs. Not a biblical scholar, but how many stories are in there of men having to make their OWN way (no help from pa) before getting married?

That same process (proving his self worth to himself) is his only cure. Currently his only goal has been to make mom and dad happy, not himself, not another human being. I am kinda starting to feel bad for him. Aside from the molestation crap. But that's on mom and dad too.

The DSM-V (diagnostic manual for psych conditions) does not include sexual addiction, it was listed as a category that needs "more research". There was a provisional set of criteria published though. It's pretty similar to what you'd see for any other addiction.

"Sexual addiction is a maladaptive pattern of sexual behavior that leads to clinically significant impairment or distress, as manifested by at least 3 of the following that occur at any time in the same 12-month period:

1. Markedly increased amount or intensity of the sexual behavior to achieve the desired effect or markedly diminished effect with continued involvement in the sexual behavior at the same level of intensity.

2. Characteristic psychophysiological withdrawal syndrome of physiologically described changes and/or psychologically described changes on discontinuation of the sexual behavior or engaging in the same (or a closely related) sexual behavior to relieve or avoid withdrawal symptoms.

3. The sexual behavior is often engaged in over a longer period, in greater quantity, or at a higher level of intensity than was intended.

4. There is a persistent desire, and efforts to cut down or control the sexual behavior are not successful.

5. A great deal of time is spent on activities necessary to prepare for the sexual behavior, to engage in the behavior, or to recover from its effects.

6. Important social, occupational, or recreational activities are given up or reduced because of the sexual behavior.

7. The sexual behavior continues despite knowledge of having a persistent or recurrent physical or psychological problem that is likely to have been caused or exacerbated by the behavior."

Sound like it could be applicable to me...

[mfch]

Maybe I'm alone ... but ....

Poor Josh :(

Despite the fact he's not the greatest person, he didn't commit a crime and he doesn't deserve this. Away from his kids for six months, not seeing Meredith's first six months of life.

How bloody sad.

[chelleinchicago]

How very Nazi of them.

I know!

Also from that same link with the schedule and rules, there is NO talking about old habits or lifestyles because it's against God's word and is not permitted. WTF kind of rehab doesn't let you talk about what got you there? So...there's no actual therapy. There are no MEDICAL professionals of any kind at the facility. And do not talk about the issues that caused you to pay the $7,500 for a bed at this place because God doesn't want to hear it.

Good grief. http://gawker.com/josh-duggar-s-sex-reh ... 1726747380

[Sundaymorning]

According to the link in my last post (from Gawker) where it lists the daily activities and rules, "No fraternization or conversation with the opposite sex is permitted for any reason at any time." When they go to church they have to sit on opposite sides, too. They're also encouraged to turn each other in for violations of the rules. If they know someone has misbehaved and don't turn them in, they receive the same punishment.

I'm not a psychologist or anything, but isn't that the worst rule they could have? How should these people learn to deal with the opposite sex in a healthy manner if they continue to demonize any contact?

What does Josh want to do, avoid women for the rest of his life? Although that would be a huge service for the women, I don't think this is realistic.

If anything, Josh should go to a place where they teach him to accept women as equal people, and don't stylize them as forbidden sex-objects like the Gothard cult.

[HarleyQuinn]

I predict a posr rehab Megyn Kelly interview where he talks about being saved...

Then goes home and beats off in the shower.

[chelleinchicago]

I'm not a psychologist or anything, but isn't that the worst rule they could have? How should these people learn to deal with the opposite sex in a healthy manner if they continue to demonize any contact?

What does Josh want to do, avoid women for the rest of his life? Although that would be a huge service for the women, I don't think this is realistic.

If anything, Josh should go to a place where they teach him to accept women as equal people, and don't stylize them as forbidden sex-objects like the Gothard cult.

It's a horrible rule, among many. This place he's going is a joke. I can't imagine how anyone could be helped using their methods. Who addresses a problem with any type of addiction by NOT talking about their past behavior?

It's insanity and proof that when they swore in the Fox News interview that Josh and the girls received counseling that none of them have received any legitimate help, and they won't unless they find their way out of the cult.

[OodOnTheLoo]

I know!

Also from that same link with the schedule and rules, there is NO talking about old habits or lifestyles because it's against God's word and is not permitted. WTF kind of rehab doesn't let you talk about what got you there? So...there's no actual therapy. There are no MEDICAL professionals of any kind at the facility. And do not talk about the issues that caused you to pay the $7,500 for a bed at this place because God doesn't want to hear it.

Good grief. http://gawker.com/josh-duggar-s-sex-reh ... 1726747380

Dollars to Duggars JimBob negotiated a cheaper price in exchange for all the social media attention this hell hole would receive.

Their rules look just like how Josh grew up. How exactly do they expect it to work this time? Oh, I know. He will have zero freedom once back home. No internet. JimBob will probably take over his finances (Anna couldn't possibly). Accountability partners all the time.

Sucks to be Josh.

[Imrlgoddess]

I've been stewing for a while about this...I gotta get this out:

I do not, in any way shape or form, believe this man has a porn or sex addiction....or any other addiction for that matter. I think this is simply a sheltered, mind-fucked young man that lost it when he hit pavement outside of po-dunk Arkansas.

I was raised in a similar setting....except we were way out in the woods...like, 15 miles from the nearest tiny gas station only town. My sex talk consisted of my mother telling me it *can* be pleasant, but it was for procreation, and to make sure I washed and went to the bathroom afterward. I'm dead serious. Men were evil...and only wanted one thing and could not control themselves.....ever.

My best friend was raised with a more open concept to sex, but still had the doctrine of sex = bad, brow beaten into her by her church and school folks. She started having sex at 14, I at 15. She was pregnant by 16 (lost that baby), later was pregnant again at 18. Her parents were devastated. My sexual history is horrible. It's embarrassing to me now at nearly 40...but it's part of me and I accept it.

We didn't have it as bad as this kid...he was born into that travesty and got it first and worst. He pulled what we down here call "typical boy behavior" (I couldn't make this trash up if I tried) on his sisters...he got slapped on the hand. That jacked up view of sex was further pushed on him, so he married a good girl, an obedient wife. The right woman would be able to set him straight. He leaves the safety net of small town Ark....hears all this stuff about men who get some on the side, the ideas of sex that doesn't make babies, it's shocking. It's exciting. It's scary. And it's all at his fingertips. He didn't find Ashley Madison on his own, or OkCupid... or any of the other crap. Being released into the "real" world does strange things to folks who are raised in a super sheltered environment...depending on how (not)strong that person is mentally or emotionally, it can have dire effects.

Now he's in over his head, his dad wants to murder him...not because he did anything wrong....but because *gasp* he shamed the family. That's it. JB could give a shit less about the man himself. All he cares about is the public eye. I don't believe he has any addictions. I think this is a direct reaction to repression at it's finest. As long as he stays attached to that family or the people involved in their lives, he will never get better, he'll never wake up, and he'll never see the world for what it is.

Just my .02.