Legitimate rape is back with abortion - MERGE

[doggie]

So woman should have to get written permission from men to get an abortion. abused well that won't help at all only legitimate rape excuses you.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/1 ... 42282.html

A bill proposed by a Republican state lawmaker in Missouri would require a woman seeking an abortion to obtain notarized consent from the baby's father, even if he is physically abusive toward her.

The bill's sponsor, State Rep. Rick Brattin, told Mother Jones that while the bill has exceptions for rape victims and to protect the life of the mother, women in domestic violence situations are not exempt from having to ask the father's permission. "What does that have to do with the child's life?" Brattin said. "Just because it was an abusive relationship, does that mean the child should die?"

In explaining the bill to Mother Jones, Brattin channeled Todd Akin, the former Republican congressman from Missouri who, during a failed 2012 Senate bid, said that women who are victims of "legitimate rape" have mechanisms in their bodies that prevent them from getting pregnant. Brattin said his bill would require a woman to be able to prove that a "legitimate rape" happened in order to avoid having to ask for a man's consent for the abortion.

"Just like any rape, you have to report it, and you have to prove it," said Brattin. "So you couldn't just go and say, 'Oh yeah, I was raped,' and get an abortion. It has to be a legitimate rape."

Brattin said he was inspired to introduce the bill on December 3 for the next legislative session, but it has not moved yet in the Missouri House. He said he was inspired to change the laws around abortion consent because he was required to obtain his wife's consent before having a vasectomy.

[IronicallyMaeve]

I didn't know men had to get consent from their wives to get a vasectomy. I think I disagree with that. It's his body, and if he doesn't want to have (more) children, then that's up to him. Ideally, it would be a mutual decision, but things aren't always ideal.

Similarly, would a woman have to get consent from her husband in order to get her tubes tied, or get Essure?

[FJismyheadship]

What if the man wanted her to get an abortion but she wanted to keep the baby? If she has to ask permission to abort, does she have to ask for permission to keep the child? If a woman appeared on this man's door step and said "I want to keep my baby but my husband wants me to abort" what would he tell her?

[Toothfairy]

A bill proposed by a Republican state lawmaker in Missouri would require a woman seeking an abortion to obtain notarized consent from the baby's father, even if he is physically abusive toward her.

The bill's sponsor, State Rep. Rick Brattin, told Mother Jones that while the bill has exceptions for rape victims and to protect the life of the mother, women in domestic violence situations are not exempt from having to ask the father's permission. "What does that have to do with the child's life?" Brattin said. "Just because it was an abusive relationship, does that mean the child should die?"

In explaining the bill to Mother Jones, Brattin channeled Todd Akin, the former Republican congressman from Missouri who, during a failed 2012 Senate bid, said that women who are victims of "legitimate rape" have mechanisms in their bodies that prevent them from getting pregnant. Brattin said his bill would require a woman to be able to prove that a "legitimate rape" happened in order to avoid having to ask for a man's consent for the abortion.

"Just like any rape, you have to report it, and you have to prove it," said Brattin. "So you couldn't just go and say, 'Oh yeah, I was raped,' and get an abortion. It has to be a legitimate rape."

Brattin said he was inspired to introduce the bill on December 3 for the next legislative session, but it has not moved yet in the Missouri House. He said he was inspired to change the laws around abortion consent because he was required to obtain his wife's consent before having a vasectomy.

There are no laws in the United States, however, requiring men to seek permission from women before having a vasectomy. Mother Jones notes that some individual medical providers in Missouri have a policy requiring the partner's consent. Elizabeth Nash, state issues manager for the Guttmacher Institute, a reproductive health research organization, told The Huffington Post there are legal reasons some providers might require spousal consent.

"It could be that the physician is afraid of being sued," she said.

If Brattin's bill gains traction in the state legislature and becomes law, it will likely be blocked by the courts. The Supreme Court decided in Casey v. Planned Parenthood in 1992 that requiring a woman to notify her spouse before having an abortion is unconstitutional.

I hate this country. I didn't realize men grew vaginas

[NachosFlandersStyle]

This dude is a notorious wacko, which is saying something for the Missouri legislature. He has a history of introducing very, uh, interesting bills, including ones allowing teachers to carry guns in school, requiring the teaching of intelligent design, and allowing the death penalty to be carried out by firing squad. Anyway, here's his contact info, do what you wish with it. http://www.house.mo.gov/member.aspx?dis ... 013&code=R

[Toothfairy]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6342282

[browncoatslytherin]

This dude is a notorious wacko, which is saying something for the Missouri legislature. He has a history of introducing very, uh, interesting bills, including ones allowing teachers to carry guns in school, requiring the teaching of intelligent design, and allowing the death penalty to be carried out by firing squad. Anyway, here's his contact info, do what you wish with it. http://www.house.mo.gov/member.aspx?dis ... 013&code=R

{L_MESSAGE_HIDDEN}:

i may or may not sign him up for some gay porn later... :whistle:

[happy atheist]

"Just like any rape, you have to report it, and you have to prove it,"

So does he mean that you have to wait until after the trial?

Conveniently enough, it usually takes longer than a trimester for the investigation and all that jazz to culminate in an actual trial that might lead to "proof" in the form of a guilty verdict, so this guy wins then, too! Because obviously he's not going to allow late-term abortion. I guess women would need to be sure that their rapists are the sort of dudes who are likely to confess early on in the interrogation.

[salex]

This dude is a notorious wacko, which is saying something for the Missouri legislature. He has a history of introducing very, uh, interesting bills, including ones allowing teachers to carry guns in school, requiring the teaching of intelligent design, and allowing the death penalty to be carried out by firing squad. Anyway, here's his contact info, do what you wish with it. http://www.house.mo.gov/member.aspx?dis ... 013&code=R

Since I live in the KC area (KS side) this guy is only a few miles down the road from me.... so I googled him up--and got this amusing report from a local muckraking blogger. The blog's gossip is usually true, but said blogger tends to sprinkle nudie/near nudie pics throughout the blog, so be warned if you go to the site tonyskansascity.com/2013/01/tkc-breaking-and-exclusive-news-show-me_27.html

Here is what he wrote about young Mr. Brattin a couple of years ago.

SUNDAY, JANUARY 27, 2013

TTKC BREAKING AND EXCLUSIVE NEWS!!! SHOW-ME MILDLY SHOCKING ALLEGATIONS OF REP. RICK BRATTIN HOTTIE HYPOCRISY!!!

Because we're not counting on the GOP coming up with any new ideas this session in Jeff City . . . Let's focus on far more important dating news.

To wit . . .

MISSOURI INSIDERS ARE RAGING OVER AN ALLEGATION OF RICK BRATTIN HOTTIE HYPOCRISY ONLINE!!!

Here's the sitch:

On his lame website, Missouri GOP dude from the stix near Kansas City i.e. Raymore/Peculiar/Garden City/Nowhere Rick Brattin is talking up his family values . . .

"He is blessed to have a wonderful family with beautiful wife Lauren . . . "

And so . . .

THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT THE PHOTO FEATURED ABOVE CAPTURES BRATTIN WITH A LADY WHO ISN'T THE WIFE HE'S PROMOTING ON HIS WEBPAGE . . . IT'S HOTTIE ATHENA ELIZABETH BARBER!!!

And it gets better from here . . .

Barber seems pretty clean cut now but we did a bit of research and found that while Barber is working a dermatology gig, doing some low grade modeling and touting her Christian beliefs via social media . . . There are some who point to another model who shares the EXACT same name who used to be a NASCAR groupie/hottie who did some rather EPIC work in one of our favorite lad mags.

(you can go to the blog to see these pics... )

In fact, not so long ago Athena Barber was voted one of the top model babes dating a NASCAR dude. (You can go to the blog for that stuff too, if you care)

Even more research . . . We found NASCAR dating reports which match up former blondie lingerie modeling hottie Athena Barber as the proud baby mama to a rugrat with the same name currently touted by the more devout brunette Athena Barber social media presence.

But this isn't really about Missouri modeling hotties and their dating lives . . .

WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT HERE IS THAT REP. RICK BRATTIN ISN'T DOING A GOOD JOB OF KEEPING HIS SOCIAL MEDIA DATING LIFE ON MESSAGE!!!

The Tipster who sent a flurry of images and screencaps our way says . . .

"Personally, I don't care if he has a new girlfriend before the ink on his divorce papers is dry, but if he's going to try to fly the fundamentalist flag at the same time, he's a hypocrite."

Certainly, TKC wishes Rep. Brattin and Athena every happiness with the advice that if they want to tout family values online, they might want to be more specific about which family of Mr. Brattin's they're discussing.

So here is my question. Does a woman who wants an abortion not only have to get permission from the sperm contributor, but-- if he is married, shouldn't she need it from his wife as well? 8-)

[MamaJunebug]

jezebel.com/missouri-republican-men-should-have-to-grant-permissio-1672187070

This MRA-type is not new but it's the first I've heard of him. Another jerk to watch out for, in my general vicinity.

[MamaJunebug]

Oops -- I see the topic already exists! Mods, feel free to delete this!

[2xx1xy1JD]

A bill proposed by a Republican state lawmaker in Missouri would require a woman seeking an abortion to obtain notarized consent from the baby's father, even if he is physically abusive toward her.

The bill's sponsor, State Rep. Rick Brattin, told Mother Jones that while the bill has exceptions for rape victims and to protect the life of the mother, women in domestic violence situations are not exempt from having to ask the father's permission. "What does that have to do with the child's life?" Brattin said. "Just because it was an abusive relationship, does that mean the child should die?"

Someone, please explain the logic with this.

Let's imagine that I'm pro-life, and believe that women shouldn't have the right to terminate a pregnancy because I believe that this is killing a child.

How does the rest of this proposal make any sense?

Couldn't you say, "Just because a father is willing to sign a consent, does that mean the child should die?" How does the father's consent magically make an abortion morally ok?

Also, how is "legitimate rape" any different from domestic violence? How does one make abortion morally ok, but the other does not?

Yes, I realize that some will support anything that adds extra hoops to jump through, in the hope that making abortion less convenient will reduce the numbers, but you could do almost anything to make something inconvenient. Why these specific items?

If there is an answer aside from "because we see women and their potential children as the rightful property of men, once they agree to have sex or any sort of relationship", please let me know. I'm really curious to know why it's ok to abort if you have a man's permission, and why it's ok to abort if you were raped by a stranger but not ok to abort if your partner reacted to the news of the pregnancy by punching you in the head and stomach.

[Dandruff]

I hope the rapists appreciate that their reproductive rights are being so well-protected.

[salex]

The whole point of this is to make abortions harder to get. The strategy is "fine, we can't get Roe V Wade overturned, but we can make it practically impossible to get an abortion, by making hoops for women and providers to jump through that become unworkable." While this is less violent than blowing up clinics or shooting doctors in the face, which may be a bit less popular than it once was, it still is just a political show.

And, yes, it boils down to

"because we see women and their potential children as the rightful property of men, once they agree to have sex or any sort of relationship",

[DGayle]

An ex of mine raped me. I got pregnant. I was on birth control. I was too scared to report it, and ended up miscarrying likely as a result of starving myself since I was too stressed to eat.

He seems to think rape can only happen by strangers, not by partners. He needs to go die now. Seriously. I mean it. He's choosing to advocate for the harm of people who don't have a choice. If there's a god, that bastard will have a heart attack tonight. One less hateful asshole for us to deal with.

[polecat]

I didn't know men had to get consent from their wives to get a vasectomy. I think I disagree with that. It's his body, and if he doesn't want to have (more) children, then that's up to him. Ideally, it would be a mutual decision, but things aren't always ideal.

Similarly, would a woman have to get consent from her husband in order to get her tubes tied, or get Essure?

I call shenanigans on his claim that he had to get his wife's consent. My husband's vasectomy was in Mo. (presumably where this moron's was done), and he did NOT need my consent. Similarly, while pregnant with our third kid, I asked my OB if I'd need my husband's consent to have a tubal because someone had told me that I did, and he looked at me like I had three heads before saying, "No -- this is your body we're talking about!"

[IronicallyMaeve]

I call shenanigans on his claim that he had to get his wife's consent. My husband's vasectomy was in Mo. (presumably where this moron's was done), and he did NOT need my consent. Similarly, while pregnant with our third kid, I asked my OB if I'd need my husband's consent to have a tubal because someone had told me that I did, and he looked at me like I had three heads before saying, "No -- this is your body we're talking about!"

Well, that's a relief!

[Trynn]

Aaaaand cue the exponential rise in false accusations of rape so the woman/girl can get an abortion in 3...2...1...

[lawfulevil]

Proposal to change the pronunciation of Missouri to "misery".

[FJismyheadship]

The only permission I need for my reproductive choices is my insurances. The reason for that is, I'm not doing anything that they won't pay for if it costs too much out of pocket. I can't even have my tubes tied, because my insurance deems it medically unnecessary. So I get the pill or depo. I hate depo.

I have two insurances. One would pay, but the other won't so the first says no. Which is weird but whatever.

[Toothfairy]

When will men understand that unless they can get pregnant and carry a child they have no say in what a woman does with her body. A man has control over his body. And I guarantee if a man were raped he wouldn't be saying all this bullshit about legit rape or abortions. I don't need any man's nor my husband's permission to get an abortion.

[ADoyle90815]

I've already seen the "false accusation of rape" thing come up on my Facebook feed in a discussion over this issue, and it got to the point that I had to block the MRA who was apparently a mutual Facebook friend of the person who shared the article. Yes, it was a man who said that and I wonder how long before his female FB friends including the original poster decide to unfriend him over this. He wasn't my friend, otherwise, my blocking would have also unfriended him.

[salex]

When will men understand that unless they can get pregnant and carry a child they have no say in what a woman does with her body. A man has control over his body. And I guarantee if a man were raped he wouldn't be saying all this bullshit about legit rape or abortions. I don't need any man's nor my husband's permission to get an abortion.

Additionally, men are raped... young men, straight men, older men, gay men. Men are raped. And very often, it goes unreported.

That does not mean they were not raped, it means that in our society, reporting rape is a difficult thing-- for men and for women.

Until we are able to deal with rape reports without re-raping the victim, this guy needs to stfu.

[artdecades]

There is another aspect that this doesn't seem to address and none of the articles talk about: when a woman doesn't know the father.

Be it a one night stand, a sex worker, or someone who just enjoys anonymous sex, this seems to be ignored and can lead to a whole lot of slutshaming. There is a provision for deceased individuals, but not unknown. Then you have to wonder, are they going to DNA test the fetus to see who the father is? Can some crazy anti-choice male start blocking women by saying he is the father of their fetuses? It just doesn't make sense.

[Toothfairy]

Additionally, men are raped... young men, straight men, older men, gay men. Men are raped. And very often, it goes unreported.

That does not mean they were not raped, it means that in our society, reporting rape is a difficult thing-- for men and for women.

Until we are able to deal with rape reports without re-raping the victim, this guy needs to stfu.

And I think it's sad how society views male rape. Some comments from a story about a woman raping a guy or a female teacher having sex with a student was always he should've enjoyed it, she's hott how can you complain that wasn't rape, If that were my son I would high five him. It's really sad and something that needs to be talked about. I understand why rape especially male rape goes unreported. Who would being that a guy got raped by a woman?