19 Kids and Counting 2013 - The Duggars do Part 3

[socalrules]

I did not need to see Jim Bob's underwear.

For modest people, they sure spend a lot of time talking about sex.

Humidity is great for Michelle's hair. Sometimes, it looked almost normal.

Explain to me again how young women who are not allowed to talk to a man, can give advice to others about courtship/dating with a purpose? They have no experience. Do they understand that everything they are "looking" for in a man can be found through regular dating?

[Lillybee]

Exactly what young men are the observing? The Bates boys or the Maxwell boys, if so that is sad.

[Chibi Author]

Each time JimBlob kisses Michelle, DRINK!

Living dangerously, are we? ;)

[Lillybee]

Is there enough wine in the world to do so.

[Chibi Author]

Soo. Thoughts! In no particular order.

When I heard that the marriage counselor people referred to as what's-his-name Hogan, I was honestly thinking "OHMIGAWD YOU'RE GOING ON A MARRIAGE RETREAT WITH HULK HOGAN. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHH!"

Seriously, his mustache would have made everything better. I'm so mad that it didn't happen.

I was impressed with how calm Grandma Duggar was being, honestly. The howlers would have had me screaming in two minutes, tops.

I've never had proper Nutella, but I adore one of the healthy knock-offs. Anna gets points from me for that one, product placement or no.

So much for Michelle saying that the kids always play outside; one of the younger twins said straight out that it's always either too hot or cold outside, so they usually play inside.

Face cams are awkward.

Jordyn is seriously the cutest Duggar.

The exchange between Jackson and Justin just proves how freakin' scripted the TH's (if not everything) are.

Is TLC pushing adoption (Duggars and the Little Couple), or is it just a coincidence? It seems like a really popular subject right now.

I actually felt for Michelle this episode; she seemed human. Communication difficulties are really hard in any relationship, and Jim Bob seems worse about it than some other guys I could think of.

And no matter how distasteful I find the whole Jubilee thing, she still seems to be really hurting about it. I honestly hope she's healing okay.

Guess submission is out the window.

SO. It's dating with a purpose now. I guess they ARE taking notes from the Bates.

Jessa and Jinger's THs amused me. And can we start taking bets on whether Jill or Jana gets married first? They were so setting up for a future courtship.

Geez, Jessa. Okay, flirting is bad, whatever, but giddiness? :?

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the entire point of romance novels to make you want to go bang someone?

[TheJewAmongUs]

I wonder how the nutella fits into the whole "weight loss" trainer thing. Um, it doesnt... However, I believe directly sponsoring a Duggar episode is a sufficient step towards supporting the Duggar's bullshit. This isnt a corporation buying airtime on a network on all primetime shows, this is direct Duggar contact. Therefore, after much prayer and introspection. I do hereby declare that I am now boycotting Nutella. I ask that other FJers join me in the Nutella Boycott of 2013. As yummy as it is, you cannot make the Duggars more palatable by slathering them with yummy hazelnut chocolate.

BOYCOTT NUTELLA!

:stir-pot:

Ok, but since you said "of 2013" does that mean I can have some in 2014. Because it's already May, so I can give it up for the rest of the year, but maybe not the rest of my life...

I don't think it was, but did anyone else think they heard a curse word during the foursquare game?

[Lillybee]

I wonder what the J'slaves will cook for dinner when the trainer comes. I really hope that it is not tater tot casserole but do the Duggars cook anything remotely healthy.

[Tator Tot Tubby]

It may also be that she feels completely overwhelmed. She has way more kids than she can manage and I think she's deathly afraid of failing as a Gothardite if some or - heaven forbid - most of her kids end up rejecting the lifestyle. The show giveth and the show taketh away, and for the Duggars the show has taken away their ability to completely isolate their kids from "the world" they are so terrified of. Reading between some of her lines tonight, I got the sense she feels Jim Bob is not fully sharing her burden.

I think up until this point, Michelle has been focused almost completely on pregnancy and taking care of infants. Now that it's become clear that she won't be having anymore (I think Jubilee was a wakeup for her) she is able to step back and actually realize that she has 19 children. She got so caught up in the process of growing her family that she didn't have any time to imagine the reality of it all. Now she's slapped in the face with the fact that she'll be mothering until she dies. I don't see her living past her seventies and she was in her forties when Josie was born. Cue breakdown in three....two....

[0KidsAndHappy]

Did anyone see the night-vision preview for next week with Michael tumbling out of a crib?

[VeronicaMars144]

I don't think it was, but did anyone else think they heard a curse word during the foursquare game?

It sure sounded like "shit", from Justin or someone, but since it was foresquare I assume it was "hit". You can never really tell with their mush-marble-mouth- pronunciation.

[Magdelope]

Whats all this? I thought the entire point of raising your children the Fundie way was to make it impossible for them to be sucked into the world. Is it too much to hope that one of the Duggarlings is causing Michelle to doubt that idea?

*pops in from one of livejournals kinkmemes* FJ party in hell? I'll bring the wine. I mean, grape juice :wink-kitty:. (I mean wine)

:lol:

Ooooh! Can I join? I'll bring Lip Service!

Also, what did the boys say that clearly show that it was scripted in TH? I'm really curious!

[Patsy]

What happened in Justin and Jackson's talking head?

[Salamander]

:lol:

Ooooh! Can I join? I'll bring Lip Service!

I've got some Glee covers (Blaine singing "Teenage Dream" to Kurt? yes please!) to play while we wait for everyone to show up.

[pega127]

So a 15 year old has a birthday party where a bunch of 20 year olds who have never dated come to shame them out of ever having any normal thoughts or feelings regarding boys? Sounds like a blast.

I felt like Michelle sounded super normal here and Jim bob was just turning any of her valid points around to make her feel guilty. I dunno constantly saying your a team makes me think you THINK you are a team but probably aren't. He just seemed very its all about ME ME ME and I usually am not super annoyed by him.

I am starting to think Michelle is changing, maybe the stress she's had emotionally the past few years is making the kool aid taste a little different.

Michelle did respond and comment seriously; while JimBoob constantly reminded everyone he likes sex. His immaturity is embarrassing and I think, even, Michelle realizes it!

[freealljs]

This episode was a total waste of time. I had to watch it with a few glasses of wine.

Anyway, Michelle mentioned something about setting the timer for 20 minutes for potty training. I have a toddler and I've never heard or done such a thing. I can see setting a timer, to make sure that the toddler uses the bathroom regularly. Is she saying that they must put the toddlers (who at this point are just Josie and maybe Jordyn) on the toilet for 20 minutes? This really bothered me, because she seemed to be telling the J'slaves and Grandma, whom I think are very knowledgeable about potty training.

At least Anna gave them fresh apples and Nutella for a snack. I assume that Smuggles couldn't come and help out, because there was fresh fruit and nothing fried or greasy.

And why does reading romance novels stir up desires that can't be fulfilled? I would like to know how Jill would know this. I think, at some point in her life, she is going to have a major wake up call, like her whole foundation is going to be shaken (well at least I hope so). I also think Jill is having "desires." She seems to be the one hinting that guys are on her mind, and she's the one who talks about hoping that someone (ahem, as Jana said, "you (Jill)") will get married.

Maddy, the birthday girl, wore pants!

Now, it's called dating with a purpose. No more calling it courtship. Hmm, FU internetz moment? No mention of their dad approving the guys.

Why leave Grandma with the Howlers and Lost Girls? Where's Anna? Famy? The woman is in her 70s, trying to handle about so many kids that are feral and out of control.

[pega127]

Lets sidetrack a bit to douchetwat marriage counselor we saw tonight. HOLY OBVIOUS ATI LINK. TLC isnt even trying to mask this shit anymore.

embassyinstitute.org/speaker/chris-anne-hogan

The site directly links to ATI and IBLP and the speakers are a "whos who" in fundie royalty.

I do not see an obvious site run by the hogan's but they shat all over the rug on youtube and their garbage is sold at the ALERT store. Considering the company they keep, I'm quite sure I know what we'd find at one of their "lectures" without wasting an hour watching their youtube shit.

I cannot help but wonder why TLC is allowing this obvious tie to an extremist organization (you know, the one we've been screaming about for years) to be not just ON the show, but plugged by it. Any humper that googles will see that everything we've said is true and that the sooper speshul duggars are truly a part of Gothardism, despite whatever Michelle says to the contrary. This episode was HORRIBLE, not just because it was boring, but because it showed another sanitized version of gothardism. THe "unknown of unused" methods these tools use isnt "listening" to your spouse...

I watched a video from the IBLP site a bunch of months ago featuring that couple talking about organizing the home (I think). The husband owns/manages a car dealership and the wife is, of course stays at home. The husband was quite aloof when making "helpful" suggestions as to how his wife could better run their home and care for their children. I was surprised to see them as marriage therapists on last night's show!

[MrMattyMatt]

Just watched the hour long special - most boring yet....

My thought are:

Dumb-Bob never fails to make himself look stupid and ignorant. And what does he have against a t-shirt and baggy long swim-trunks?

Michelle is totally unhinged. She's starving for attention. It's obvious she still massively mourning the loss of Jubilee.

The J'Slaves give talks?? The only thing they are experts at are raising children and doing laundry.

Praying about adoption?? Because they have a "love of children" - ummm no - you are famewhores!

I didn't think that the howlers and lost girls were out of control at all - quite mild mannered actually.

[ILoveJellybeans]

I feel for these poor adult "children", planning their dreams but its never going to happen.

Michelle is going to go insane soon, I can feel it, either child collector, crazy cat lady, reborn collector, or squashing her kids even more so they will be like the Arndts and never be able to live by themselves, so she will never have to let them go.

[Finduilas]

I was just wondering, isn't Justin the one who is often seen with the eyepatch. Because when he and Jackson were talking about the Nutella I'm pretty sure his eyes were not the same color. * I'm probably late on that point*

[itaintmebabe]

I was about losing it in a couple scenes where the kids' safety seemed to be in danger. In one of the early scenes, Josie is pulling Michelle's suitcase which probably weighs much more than her, heading for the top of the stairs. NO! Then in another scene, one of the Lost Girls (Hannie?) was walking on the kitchen countertop, which in itself wasn't dangerous--feral, yes, but not that dangerous--but then she steps onto a barstool like it's a stair, to get down, and you can see the barstool tip slightly. Had her weight distribution been a little more uneven, I could see the barstool tipping over and the girl hitting her head on the TLC-provided granite countertop as she fell to the floor. And I'm even one that rolls my eyes at HGTV's HouseHunters' overprotective mothers who are so worried about every little uneven surface for their kids. But these scenes completely had me gritting my teeth.

Then my husband (I guess that would be Mr. Babe?) said something pretty funny. When Grandma and some howlers were playing a game of ball in the living room, I commented about it being something they should do outside, and he says, "They don't want to play outside because that's where the WORLD is!" :lol:

[alba]

The episodes from a fortnight ago are up on YT, and for some reason (masochism?) Buzzard's summaries always seem to make me want to watch the episode more than if I hadn't had a glimpse at what's in it, so I'm watching them now.

My thoughts:

I'll be the first to admit I don't know anything about hospital births, but the way Jill describes it women are hooked up to machines like the Farm in Battlestar Galactica.

Isn't it rather ironic that Jessa and Jinger are volunteering at the coffee shop in order to fund something for orphans that they didn't get themselves? The kids need the uniforms to go to school, so what they're really raising money for is the childrens' access to an education.

The J'slaves are so oppressed that Jinger thinks she doesn't have a personality unless she's high on caffeine.

Baby girls need dolls, baby boys need cars. Gotta indoctrinate them early.

On last night's episode:

Michelle seems like a totally normal wife when she complains about picking up her husband's dirty socks and when he asks if he embarrasses her. Not so much when she has to pack for him.

I do like that they're acknowledging that when married couples have problems they have to work together and communicate to fix it, rather than blaming the wife. They kind of ruin it with sweeping generalisations about men and women in relationships, though.

The matching outfits are just weird.

I find it hard to believe the J'slaves and Mary have difficulty running the house in the parents' absence, considering they're the ones who do most of it in the first place, anyway.

Glad to see they're eating wholewheat bread. I was expecting Wonderbread.

Jim Bob's really immature. He's acting like a high schooler with his girlfriend, not a forty-something with his wife.

Joy looks bored out of her mind at the party.

Jill says romance novels stir desire in our hearts. I thought they stirred up desire rather lower in the torso region.

I actually think Jessa makes a good point when she says that if you have a list of qualities you want in a partner you should look at yourself and ask if you have those qualities. Though having guest speakers like that at a birthday party strikes me as kind of weird, even if they did actually know what they were talking about.

[bal maiden]

I'm surprised JimBob knows the word 'oesophagus' (is it spelled 'esophagus' in the US? Like foetus/fetus etc?).

Mrs Marriage Counsellor is REALLY creepy looking. I think she's had botox; her cheeks don't move.

[Buzzard]

Ok, but since you said "of 2013" does that mean I can have some in 2014. Because it's already May, so I can give it up for the rest of the year, but maybe not the rest of my life...

I don't think it was, but did anyone else think they heard a curse word during the foursquare game?

I pray that the duggars aren't on tv anymore or that nutella has been "corrected" and it will no longer be required, thus the 2013 boycott of nutella.

I'm not clear why TLC felt the need to edit it like Mary was incapable of handling the howlers. I find it incredibly disrespectful to take a swipe at her considering she's essentially an indentured servant to her sex obsessed son.

[JenniferJuniper]

I'm not clear why TLC felt the need to edit it like Mary was incapable of handling the howlers. I find it incredibly disrespectful to take a swipe at her considering she's essentially an indentured servant to her sex obsessed son.

I know they are boys and therefore not required to look after small children, but the twins were there and I'm sure she could have recruited their assistance. I didn't see Josiah or Jason. Hopefully they were off somewhere trying to hack into a computer to look at porn. But they were probably edited out so it looked like Mary was alone with all the little ones. And I don't think Joy was at the birthday party, so unless she was on nanny duty for the Josh Duggars, she was proably around as well.

I remain convinced that John David no longer lives there full time.

[alchemy]

I just don't understand how they could bother to get that hideous modest swimwear for Michelle, but have to cobble together some cutoffs and a polo shirt for Jimbob.