Abigail is an Emotional Orphan

[lilah]

Wait she cries over negative pregnancy tests? damn.....

[desertvixen]

Seriously though, what the fuck was the other solution? What was it? Fundies are brilliant at trapping everyone in a box they have created then wagging their finger at them for not "trying hard enough" to escape. If only they were holy and pious and loved Jebus and God (and in this case Mary) enough, they would never have been put in the box, and now they have been, it's basically all their fault because they haven't been saints like people who write huge blog walls o' text about those with less than them and how they should just try harder.

QFT, especially the bolded.

[mystikchick17]

LOL

This cracks me up like everyone isn't catholic because they think they can't be ?

We're not Catholic because we're being fooled by misconceptions about the Church. If only people would open their eyes and admit the beauty and truth of the the Church, they would instantly become Catholic.

I wonder what fundies would do with me, someone who has researched and studied Christianity and finds nothing in it that appeals to me and so is converting to (Reform) Judaism to fulfill her spiritual needs... :shock:

[singsingsing]

I wonder what fundies would do with me, someone who has researched and studied Christianity and finds nothing in it that appeals to me and so is converting to (Reform) Judaism to fulfill her spiritual needs... :shock:

QFT. I am a Christian, but there was a time when I was quite taken with Catholicism. I researched and studied and read blogs and read Catholic apologetics - basically whatever I could get my hands on. And guess what? I decided that I didn't believe the Catholic Church's claims about itself, and that I did not want to convert. I'm not sure what their explanation for this is. Was I led astray by Satan or relativism or something? I'm not saying no one should be Catholic. But to say that the only reason people aren't Catholic is because they just haven't seen the light yet, is ridiculous.

[Zoom]

I think Abigail is off her rocker, but at the same time I am glad that I live in an ebil socialist country where we have 13 months parental leave so that my new little niece or nephew doesn't have to go to daycare until they are one. I do think infants are, for the most part, better off with their parents. BUT I realize that not everyone has that option and I certainly don't condemn those who put their kids in daycare, I am just grateful that it isn't a choice I have to make.

[dawbs]

I think Abigail is off her rocker, but at the same time I am glad that I live in an ebil socialist country where we have 13 months parental leave so that my new little niece or nephew doesn't have to go to daycare until they are one. I do think infants are, for the most part, better off with their parents. BUT I realize that not everyone has that option and I certainly don't condemn those who put their kids in daycare, I am just grateful that it isn't a choice I have to make.

A *little* on the flip side of that...if I'd have had more parental leave, I'd have used it--I'd probably have felt obligated to.

And I think if I had been a SAHM for 13 months, I would probably have gone absolutely bonkers.

I've seen people (well, women) who choose not to use that leave, for whatever reason, be pretty vilified in the "why have kids if you're not going to raise them :roll: " way.

[Zoom]

A *little* on the flip side of that...if I'd have had more parental leave, I'd have used it--I'd probably have felt obligated to.

And I think if I had been a SAHM for 13 months, I would probably have gone absolutely bonkers.

I've seen people (well, women) who choose not to use that leave, for whatever reason, be pretty vilified in the "why have kids if you're not going to raise them :roll: " way.

It is parental leave, nothing says that mom has to be home for 13 months :) Some of those days HAVE to be used by dad. Some families decide to split it 50 50 others do other splits. Some decide to split it so that that mom is home part of the week and dad is home part of the week. If you are single you can also "give" some of the days to grandparents or other family members

[mkitten]

I agree that she's the sort of person who might get off on having a seriously ill kid. Like Munchhausen's by Proxy, only with a real illness.

That's exactly what I was thinking, you beat me it Terrie! I just really hope that Abigail never has a child born with CF; if she does, would she actually follow the doctor's orders and give the child the prescribed medical treatments? Or would she try to "pray away" the cystic fibrosis? I strongly suspect that Abigail is off of her rocker just enough to one of those tragic cases that we read about in the news where a child is taken away from the parents because of their refusal to treat an illness because of 'religious conviction.'

[Jana814]

That's exactly what I was thinking, you beat me it Terrie! I just really hope that Abigail never has a child born with CF; if she does, would she actually follow the doctor's orders and give the child the prescribed medical treatments? Or would she try to "pray away" the cystic fibrosis? I strongly suspect that Abigail is off of her rocker just enough to one of those tragic cases that we read about in the news where a child is taken away from the parents because of their refusal to treat an illness because of 'religious conviction.'

I have to agree with both of you in those statements!!

[amydamy]

It is parental leave, nothing says that mom has to be home for 13 months :) Some of those days HAVE to be used by dad. Some families decide to split it 50 50 others do other splits. Some decide to split it so that that mom is home part of the week and dad is home part of the week. If you are single you can also "give" some of the days to grandparents or other family members

That sounds awesome I wish we could do that here in the US.

[singsingsing]

I don't think Abigail would try to just 'pray away' the disease, because she loves talking about being in the hospital. It's like another badge of suffering for her.

[mkitten]

I don't think Abigail would try to just 'pray away' the disease, because she loves talking about being in the hospital. It's like another badge of suffering for her.

I hadn't thought of that angle... Either route would get her tons of attention though. I'm still going with the "pray away" because she could milk the holy aspect more, although being in the hospital does give her the option of milking more sympathy for having to be away from her other kids....not sure...she definetly is going for whatever martyr badges she can accumulate. I can't even imagine what life must be like for her poor kids, hearing their mom whine and complain that she Wants! More! Baybeeees! when they're hungry and don't have proper clothing. What a sicko.

[Terrie]

If she had a kid with CF, she would totally be all about medical care. Because then she could play the martyr about the costs, the time way from her other kids, "please pray as Abby jr. is in the hospital." Besides, (and this is me being super cynical), if the kid dies, her ability to play a martyr to grief is probably less fulfilling than "Current crisis! Oh, no!" of a chronically ill child. Once the kid dies of medical neglect, the saga is over. And if more than one kid is diagnosed with CF, well, hey, suddenly she has the best of both worlds.

In case you can't tell, I find her disgustingly selfish and immature.

[GeoBQn]

I hadn't thought of that angle... Either route would get her tons of attention though. I'm still going with the "pray away" because she could milk the holy aspect more, although being in the hospital does give her the option of milking more sympathy for having to be away from her other kids....not sure...she definetly is going for whatever martyr badges she can accumulate. I can't even imagine what life must be like for her poor kids, hearing their mom whine and complain that she Wants! More! Baybeeees! when they're hungry and don't have proper clothing. What a sicko.

Martyr Badges sound like a project for someone with better graphic design skills than I to take on.

[ILoveJellybeans]

That is awful, I can totally see why having a sick kid would appeal to someone like Abigail, who has to exaggerate minor things to make it sound like she was horrifically neglected and abused....if she had a sick kid, she would have an excuse.

[Effie]

According to his ideas, I should be killed because I am an inferior human being.

That's why I hate him.

No, that is not his idea. That is a general misconception of his idea. Singer wouldn't hurt a single fly. He was not arguing about making certain human beings seem inferior. He was asking why we consider animals to be inferior to us. Before he got to his point, he asked what makes us human; what is the difference between us - and other animals? Is it our intellect that makes us 'superior' to animals? But not all of us have that intellect, right? Intellectually challenged people don't have that intellect. So what is it then that makes us - human beings, different from other animals? If our answer still is intellect, shouldn't we then apply person-hood to other animals as well? Especially considering some of them have the same intellect as some of our human beings (the intellectually challenged)?

There are certain animals which are brighter than certain human beings, so why do we find it to be okay to eat those animals? Why do we hurt them?

If you consider animals to be inferior, then I guess you would be offended that Singer compared certain human beings to certain animals. Singer doesn't consider animals to be inferior though - society does. Singer was arguing for animals rights.

Source: What I learned at my philosophy studies at Umeå uni. 2009.

They ought to meet my mum anyway. She outrivals this bloke on the matter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Singer :lol:

I would love to hear more about your amazing mum, or discuss Peter Singer's ideas. If you want to, you could PM me. :)

[Mommy22alyns]

This woman has NO idea about emotional abuse and it's insulting to those who have actually suffered at the hands of their parents that she pretends to.

This. :evil:

[lilwriter85]

If she had a kid with CF, she would totally be all about medical care. Because then she could play the martyr about the costs, the time way from her other kids, "please pray as Abby jr. is in the hospital." Besides, (and this is me being super cynical), if the kid dies, her ability to play a martyr to grief is probably less fulfilling than "Current crisis! Oh, no!" of a chronically ill child. Once the kid dies of medical neglect, the saga is over. And if more than one kid is diagnosed with CF, well, hey, suddenly she has the best of both worlds.

In case you can't tell, I find her disgustingly selfish and immature.

I agree with your post a lot. She would totally play the martyr if she had a CF kid. This might be sound mean of me, but I can see her being the type to ask for donations to take her CF kids to Lourdes.

[desertvixen]

A *little* on the flip side of that...if I'd have had more parental leave, I'd have used it--I'd probably have felt obligated to.

And I think if I had been a SAHM for 13 months, I would probably have gone absolutely bonkers.

I've seen people (well, women) who choose not to use that leave, for whatever reason, be pretty vilified in the "why have kids if you're not going to raise them :roll: " way.

This. I was actually ready to go back to work at the end of my ten weeks of leave. I wanted to be back in my adult world and not stuck on mommy mode all the time.

I would have totally gone for some sort of part-time arrangement, though.

[Bloo]

What a gross human being. Lady, if you have FIVE biological children who all survived birth, you don't have fertility issues. You just don't. You might have waning fertility in comparison to what you had when you were younger, but maybe that's God's way of saying NO MORE BABIES FOR YOU.

Also, you weren't abused going by your tales of "woe," but in my book it IS abusive to deliberately try to add to the family (particularly when you have a 25% chance of having a VERY VERY sick child) when you can't feed or clothe the family you already have. Fuck off and grow up, Abigail.

[dairyfreelife]

If she had a kid with CF, she would totally be all about medical care. Because then she could play the martyr about the costs, the time way from her other kids, "please pray as Abby jr. is in the hospital." Besides, (and this is me being super cynical), if the kid dies, her ability to play a martyr to grief is probably less fulfilling than "Current crisis! Oh, no!" of a chronically ill child. Once the kid dies of medical neglect, the saga is over. And if more than one kid is diagnosed with CF, well, hey, suddenly she has the best of both worlds.

In case you can't tell, I find her disgustingly selfish and immature.

This is how I feel as well about her as well. I hope she doesn't have any more children, but if god forbid she does, I really hope the child won't be born with CF.

[ADoyle90815]

I agree with your post a lot. She would totally play the martyr if she had a CF kid. This might be sound mean of me, but I can see her being the type to ask for donations to take her CF kids to Lourdes.

I totally agree with that, she would be the type to ask for donations for her CF children to go to Lourdes. If she was crying about a negative pregnancy test, I can see her falling for the personhood funeral thing.

[Arete]

Honestly? the fundies would force your brother and the mother to get married, and have a Smallerer and Smalletta that they can't afford. if they wouldn't/couldn't get married, then small and Smaller would be given to a fundie approved family.

You guys are totally missing the fundy solution to JFC's brother's childcare dilemmas. What, really, is he, when you come down to it, but a headship without a helpmeet? He needs to find a nice doormat to be a good Christian stepmother to Small and Smaller, in addition to popping out Smallerer, Smallest, and Smalletta. Hell, he can even order her to become an atheist after marriage, and all she would be able to do is suck it up ask God to do a work in his heart. Husband is the leader after all.

[JesusFightClub]

LOL, yeah, never understood this one. If the husband is the utter headship in all matters, what's to stop him ordering his wife to cut her hair short, wear "manly apparel" and send all his kids to evil state school? And to avoid doilies at all costs? :lol:

There seems to be a slight error of logic there.

[pixydust]

LOL, yeah, never understood this one. If the husband is the utter headship in all matters, what's to stop him ordering his wife to cut her hair short, wear "manly apparel" and send all his kids to evil state school? And to avoid doilies at all costs? :lol:

There seems to be a slight error of logic there.

This has been the subject of a blog or two, IIRC. Fundie women married to non-fundie men, the man wants the kids in school and wants her to knock off the BS and she frets about what to do.