The way things were before Socialism, "honest"....

[0 kids n not countin]

According to wacko Betty Sue at Biblical Womenhood:

Mamas, Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up To Be "Julia" - HUMAN EVENTS

I haven't seen BOs ad/article/story but here's how mine would go:

Jamie is prepared for academics by her own mommy in a loving, safe environment.

She "goes to school" at home with the same mommy who has been teaching her since birth. She is allowed to explore her own areas of interest as well as procede in her studies of the "core" academics at her own pace. the one on one attention she gets allows that pace to be much faster than "norm."

She gets her college degree at 18 by using online college turoring programs (i.e. collegeplus.com). She then chooses to work at a local business as an apprintice.

She meets a nice young man at her church who has the same basic goals in life a she has. They decide to explore the possibility of God wanting them to work together towards those goals.

They grow to love each other and marry.

Soon, a little blessing is on the way. They choose to have Baby born in the same bed he was conceived in. They pay for the midwife with their own cash.

For several years, Jamie spends most of her time caring for the increasing number of little ones. In her spare time she teaches herself how to sew using youtube videos.

Jamie and her hubby choose an online school for their children. They feel this best meets their needs at this time.

Jamie spends her free time sewing beautiful dresses for her neighbors daughters. She makes a nice supplement to the family income and is totally free to care for her family first.

When the children leave home, Jamie and hubby are free to spend time with grandkids, work in their church, and because of Jamies modest income, get Hubby going in his own lawn business.

Both Jamie and her hubby work as long as they are physically able to because they enjoy what they do.

When retierment comes, they live off the money they have put aside for this time. Their children make sure they are taken care of also.

Their medical bills are covered by their savings and their children, but it isn't a big deal because the free market keeps the prices low.

They are buried together in the plots they bought themselves years ago.

This is what things were really like before socialism. Honest.

If only things were so simple.... :eusa-think:

The kids are allowed to explore their own interests-not...

The "one on one" attention, um, probably not so much after the siblings keep coming...

She "chooses" to work at a local business, not likely an actual "choice"....

She "grows to love" someone at her church, not likely especially if she's one of the older daughters...

If she is fortunate enough to get married, yes she'll have a ton of kids, but wtf, she can't give them the "one on one" attention so she schools her children online...

and her husband lets her spend her "free time" sewing & supplementing their income thus she's totally free to "care" for her family, please explain how she's doing both if the kids are being scholled online...

when all the kids leave home... um, with a lot of these fundies the kids don't every seem to actually leave home, so as for retirement, grandkids, etc, I just don't see it being so rosey...

I believe Betty Sue's oldest child (a daughter) is about 20 years old, all the kids are still living at home & grandparents "baby-sit" all the kids when Betty Sue and her husband go out on "date-night" :roll:

[GolightlyGrrl]

According to wacko Betty Sue at Biblical Womenhood:

If only things were so simple.... :eusa-think:

The kids are allowed to explore their own interests-not...

The "one on one" attention, um, probably not so much after the siblings keep coming...

She "chooses" to work at a local business, not likely an actual "choice"....

She "grows to love" someone at her church, not likely especially if she's one of the older daughters...

If she is fortunate enough to get married, yes she'll have a ton of kids, but wtf, she can't give them the "one on one" attention so she schools her children online...

and her husband lets her spend her "free time" sewing & supplementing their income thus she's totally free to "care" for her family, please explain how she's doing both if the kids are being scholled online...

when all the kids leave home... um, with a lot of these fundies the kids don't every seem to actually leave home, so as for retirement, grandkids, etc, I just don't see it being so rosey...

I believe Betty Sue's oldest child (a daughter) is about 20 years old, all the kids are still living at home & grandparents "baby-sit" all the kids when Betty Sue and her husband go out on "date-night" :roll:

Wow, the riffles are strong in this one. What is turoring? What is an an apprintice? Please explain to me this idea of retierment? The copyeditor in me is weeping if this is an example of someone homeschooling one's children.

[2xx1xy1JD]

Everything is snark-worthy, but the one part that really stands out is the complete disregard for actual historical facts.

If you want to paint this as a fantasy scenario which could unfold in the future - knock your socks off. Just don't imply that things were like this is the past. Among other things, the internet did not exist "before socialism". It was also possible that the birthing bed would be a woman's death bed.

[Hane]

And what the everlasting fuck does any of this have to do with socialism? Or actual history?

And, GolightlyGrrl, this tech writer sits beside you and weeps.

[gardenvarietycitizen]

Everything is snark-worthy, but the one part that really stands out is the complete disregard for actual historical facts.

If you want to paint this as a fantasy scenario which could unfold in the future - knock your socks off. Just don't imply that things were like this is the past. Among other things, the internet did not exist "before socialism". It was also possible that the birthing bed would be a woman's death bed.

I was gonna say - what happens when the little bundle of joy is a terrible pregnancy that ends up with the baby severely disabled or kills the mother? Or both? What happens if god forbid father gets hit by a bus or gets injured on the job and can't work anymore?

[Maggie Mae]

That sounds horrible.

So in her fantasy utopia, women stay home with their children, whether they want to or not. So in my situation, we would have been living off of my dad's Social Security & Disability checks + a small settlement. Oh, wait, no Social Security or Disability. Mom can't work because she has to stay home with me, meaning that from age 7 to 16, three people would have had to find a way to survive on $300,000. Since there is no medicare, and the settlement was for medical expenses, since we wouldn't have my mom's health insurance, we'd be responsible for our own bills. Which would leave us in debt of an estimated 600K, if not more. So my dad probably would be dead, and since women can't work outside the home, my mom and I would be living with her parents until I was 16 and legally allowed to work, except for the fact that I couldn't work either. Which means no college for me, and so I get married to some loser guy and we have my mother live with us. F That.

[HijabiLady]

This entire mental exercise completely ignores the reality of life. These are things she is pretending don't happen every day:

1. One or both partners could be disabled or killed in a car accident, natural disaster or disease such as cancer. Without the evil, socialist insurance how on earth would they survive financially?

2. Any of their children could be born prematurely or with significant disability. How will they cover the hospital bills (preemies can easily rack up a million dollar bill)?

3. How does one split their time effectively with home schooling, child rearing and running a business out of home. They do realize it takes some investment to get a home-run business off the ground, correct?

Honestly there is so much more I could dissect and poke holes into her fantasy but these stand out the most. Her "reality" does not and has never existed.

[GolightlyGrrl]

And what the everlasting fuck does any of this have to do with socialism? Or actual history?

And, GolightlyGrrl, this tech writer sits beside you and weeps.

That blog is a cornucopia of riffles. She spells homeschool homechool. The tab A Moms Job needs an apostrophe. Jewelry is spelled jewlry. Now even the best writers make spelling and grammatical errors. It happens. But damn it, woman, proofread!

Oh, and of course, she's selling her books. Even the worst fundie writers fancy themselves as authors.

[slickcat79]

This entire mental exercise completely ignores the reality of life. These are things she is pretending don't happen every day:

1. One or both partners could be disabled or killed in a car accident, natural disaster or disease such as cancer. Without the evil, socialist insurance how on earth would they survive financially?

2. Any of their children could be born prematurely or with significant disability. How will they cover the hospital bills (preemies can easily rack up a million dollar bill)?

3. How does one split their time effectively with home schooling, child rearing and running a business out of home. They do realize it takes some investment to get a home-run business off the ground, correct?

Honestly there is so much more I could dissect and poke holes into her fantasy but these stand out the most. Her "reality" does not and has never existed.

They don't need money for preemie/disabled children. The baby is going to be born in the same bed it was conceived in, so it will be dead before they have to worry about hospital bills. Problem solved!

And don't you know, those online tutoring programs mean the kids can educate themselves. No parental input required for that, and they only need about 10 minutes a day with their parents to have "quality quick" time.

I'd like to know what local businesses still teach by apprenticeship, especially to a trainee who has no intention of actually working in that field, but is only entertaining herself until she finds a hubby and starts popping out babies. Also, could someone please direct me to the youtube videos that teach someone how to sew well enough that they can run a home-based business doing it?

[HijabiLady]

They don't need money for preemie/disabled children. The baby is going to be born in the same bed it was conceived in, so it will be dead before they have to worry about hospital bills. Problem solved!

And don't you know, those online tutoring programs mean the kids can educate themselves. No parental input required for that, and they only need about 10 minutes a day with their parents to have "quality quick" time.

I'd like to know what local businesses still teach by apprenticeship, especially to a trainee who has no intention of actually working in that field, but is only entertaining herself until she finds a hubby and starts popping out babies. Also, could someone please direct me to the youtube videos that teach someone how to sew well enough that they can run a home-based business doing it?

Seriously, because I would love how to make my own clothes as well as my kid's clothes.

[ilovetchotchkes]

Apparently, the fundies had college plus and internet before the WHOLE REST OF THE WORLD did.

And my sewing skills have come from years and years of practice. Not you tube videos.

[Wolfie]

And my sewing skills have come from years and years of practice. Not you tube videos.

This, all of the things I am good at have gotten that way through years of practice, lessons and advice from family members, friends and teachers, and lots of books. Books are much better than random youtube videos, and experience is the best.

[Wolfie]

Oh, and since the OP didn't include it, here is the link to the site homeschoolwwh.blogspot.com/2012/05/mamas-dont-let-your-babies-grow-up-to.html (I had to google to find it.)

ETA- here is the site they are talking about.... http://www.barackobama.com/life-of-julia

[JesusFightClub]

What the FUCK has any of this to do with socialism? And when was "before socialism"? It hasn't happened yet!

[GolightlyGrrl]

What the FUCK has any of this to do with socialism? And when was "before socialism"? It hasn't happened yet!

It kills me how fundies, teabaggers, and other assorted extreme right wing fuckwits think President Obama is a socialist. If anything he's a Rockefeller Republican.

[SpeshulTaterTot]

It kills me how fundies, teabaggers, and other assorted extreme right wing fuckwits think President Obama is a socialist. If anything he's a Rockefeller Republican.

This. By these people's standards, even the more conservative politicians over here are bleeding heart liberals.

[keeperrox]

Seriously, because I would love how to make my own clothes as well as my kid's clothes.

Bitch is crazy, no doubt, but I taught myself how to sew through the magic of the internet around 8 or 9 years ago (okay, well really, great comprehension skills, YouTube videos, and trial and error). I have sold a few pieces, and now teach 11-14 year olds how to sew on a daily basis. You start with a pattern or tutorial, and then whenever you come to a skill or technique you don't know, search for it on YouTube. I had never sewn in my life, but internet videos taught me how to thread the machine and follow a pattern well enough that I still have the very first bag I ever made.

[bananacat]

I always have to laugh at this myth that housewives from older times got to spend quality time with their kids. And I call them housewives because they absolutely were not like the modern SAHM. They didn't work paying jobs because they had too much other work to do (although plenty of mothers did do work to bring in extra money). They never had the luxury of taking time off to just bond with their children. If my mom wanted to spend any "quality time" with her mother, she had to do extra chores so her mom would have the time. I know I spent my time with my mom (who had a full-time job) than she ever did with her own mother even while she wasn't working any paying jobs.

[2xx1xy1JD]

Again, idealistic fantasy of the future does not = actual history.

I can talk about my grandmother, who was a widow at the age of 41 with 2 kids. No sewing business for her - she went out and made a living from real estate and secretarial work, while her kids attended evil public school. My father attended an excellent local university with taxpayer-subsidized tuition, and met my mother there. Both of them were the first ones in their immediate families to be able to attend university. My mother's parents had even less money, in part because they had both been forced to drop out of high school at 14 due to the Great Depression, but she was able to earn great money one summer by working at Expo 67 - a massive government-sponsored event. He got an MBA and worked for a bank, she became an evil public school teacher, and they lived the Canadian dream.

Talk about personal responsibility all you want, but life happens. You don't get to control whether you will have placenta previa, or if you breach baby will get tangled up in the cord, or if your child will have special needs, or if your husband will have a heart attack, or if he'll survive the heart attack only to lie in a persistant vegetative state for 4 years.....

[2xx1xy1JD]

I always have to laugh at this myth that housewives from older times got to spend quality time with their kids. And I call them housewives because they absolutely were not like the modern SAHM. They didn't work paying jobs because they had too much other work to do (although plenty of mothers did do work to bring in extra money). They never had the luxury of taking time off to just bond with their children. If my mom wanted to spend any "quality time" with her mother, she had to do extra chores so her mom would have the time. I know I spent my time with my mom (who had a full-time job) than she ever did with her own mother even while she wasn't working any paying jobs.

THIS! I remember my grandmother noticing how I spent time playing with my baby, and saying that she wished that she had done more of that.

The other thing is that even working from home requires, you know, work. Would anyone choose a daycare if they said that their program involved caring for lots of kids, of different ages, sticking them in front of computer programs for the educational component, and having the sole caregiver running a separate business at the same time?

[Wolfie]

Again, idealistic fantasy of the future does not = actual history.

I can talk about my grandmother, who was a widow at the age of 41 with 2 kids. No sewing business for her - she went out and made a living from real estate and secretarial work, while her kids attended evil public school.

This- insert working for evil public schools, and 4 kids, and you've got my grandma. All of her kids went to at least jr college, and three of them went to at least some grad school. I think she did a damn good job. BUT she also had gone to a trade school for secretarial work before she was married and had worked for a few years before meeting my grandfather, so she was not helpless when he died.

[JaChelle Sugar]

She meets a nice young man at her church who has the same basic goals in life a she has. They decide to explore the possibility of God wanting them to work together towards those goals.

The fuck? is that how fundies see marriage? Compatibal goals first, love a distant second?

[brashchick]

What the FUCK has any of this to do with socialism? And when was "before socialism"? It hasn't happened yet!

Thank you. That is exactly what I was thinking !

[Olive Plant]

According to wacko Betty Sue at Biblical Womenhood:

I call bullshit on this one. If you have any concept of how medical insurance works in the "free market," it has nothing to do with keeping prices low. Insurance companies make money by what amounts to price-fixing: they list basic check-ups at, say, $200, so the doctor will bill $200 because that's what the company pays. It's illegal for the doctor to charge someone paying cash less, even if it costs doctors FAR less money to bill people for cash as opposed to billing an insurance company repeatedly. So people decide that in order to afford health care, they need insurance. That's called capitalism, honey. It's not called socialism. You want to pay cash for health care, socialism may actually be a better bet. I lived in a socialist country and I paid cash. And it was fucking cheap.

[InkyGirl]

I call bullshit on this one. If you have any concept of how medical insurance works in the "free market," it has nothing to do with keeping prices low. Insurance companies make money by what amounts to price-fixing: they list basic check-ups at, say, $200, so the doctor will bill $200 because that's what the company pays. It's illegal for the doctor to charge someone paying cash less, even if it costs doctors FAR less money to bill people for cash as opposed to billing an insurance company repeatedly. So people decide that in order to afford health care, they need insurance. That's called capitalism, honey. It's not called socialism. You want to pay cash for health care, socialism may actually be a better bet. I lived in a socialist country and I paid cash. And it was fucking cheap.

THIS! "Free market keeps prices cheap" my ass!