The way things were before Socialism, "honest"....

[bananacat]

The Almighty Invisible Hand of the Free Market doesn't work for health insurance because it's in their best interest to only look at the short-term. It's a hell of a lot cheaper to completely cover the cost of flu shots for hundreds of people than to pay for the hospital stay for one case of flu-related pneumonia, and yet many insurance companies don't cover flu shots. Why? Because their plan is to drop that patient and let it be some other insurance company's problem (or the patient's problem) when the costs just get too high. We waste so much money on health care costs because people often forgo early screenings and preventative care due to cost. I'm glad that insurance companies now have to cover the full cost of annual physicals because it will save so much money (and lives) down the road.

The Free Market only serves to maximize profits. This means that the consumer either pays more, gets lower quality care, or both. And health care isn't something that people can simply do without so we can't just boycott the whole damn industry.

[RR88]

I'm a capitalist, and I have no desire to live in this woman's fantasy world. :lol:

[Elle]

Before socialism, girls didn't go to college. Kids didn't get an online education. The elderly were more likely to die because they couldn't afford medicine and not every doctor could only work to be paid in chickens. Someone who had an accident and was unable to work had a high chance of ending up homeless and dead. Her little story, once you take out the internet stuff, would only work if no one ever got sick and if there was always stable work and if in their old age they didn't have any medical issues.

She is ignorant, stupid, or thinks there was no such thing as illness, accidents, or death, before Obama.

Also Jesus was a socialist.

[koolmom]

By the time I got to the second line in, my insert would be...."and then she woke up".

[Boltingmadonna]

JFC said:

What the FUCK has any of this to do with socialism? And when was "before socialism"? It hasn't happened yet!

Adding my voice to the chorus of approval on this one. Go JFC.

When I was a kid, I was very interested in Utopias. I read a lot of them and I used to daydream about how wonderful it would be to live in one of the socialist Utopias where everyone got an education and medical care, and no one was unemployed or hungry, and there was no more war. I used to think how great it would be to live in, say, H.G. Wells' world from "In the Days of the Comet." I cried when his poor old mother finally got a garden to enjoy.

This made me feel horribly guilty because I was being raised as a good little right-wing Catholic girl, so I knew socialism was Teh Ebil!! Strange to say, I could not bring myself to daydream about how great it would be when everyone was forced to worship Jesus and obey the Pope or be burned at the stake. Those were things I had nightmares about.

Nor did I imagine Utopia as a place where an elderly man whose gazillion kids have grown up/died aspires to keep body and soul together by running a lawn service. Jeez. That stuff is hard work for an old guy. I've seen young men about to have a heat stroke. Meanwhile, his bride is able to sell enough dresses to her fellow fundies to add significantly to her income? The fundie Utopia is a strange, sad place.

Anyway, her neighbors will all be buying Jenny Chancey's cheap crap, made in Xtian sweatshops by foreign labor. Fundie capitalism FTW.

[So Many Lies]

Apparently, the fundies had college plus and internet before the WHOLE REST OF THE WORLD did.

And my sewing skills have come from years and years of practice. Not you tube videos.

Yeah I don't really get how they had internet before socialism..

[cindyluvs24]

What if the baby was conceived on top of the washing machine ? Just asking.

[So Many Lies]

What if the baby was conceived on top of the washing machine ? Just asking.

That sounds like socialist talk to me.

[freejoytoo]

What the FUCK has any of this to do with socialism? And when was "before socialism"? It hasn't happened yet!

THANK YOU!

I want to bang my head against the wall when people call Obama a socialist. He's a fucking conservative. Not a nutjob Christian one but still a fiscal conservative. They wouldn't know if socialism was if they even had it explained to them in painstakingly small detail.

Cpennylane, I love your avvie.

[GolightlyGrrl]

What if the baby was conceived on top of the washing machine ? Just asking.

What about the back seat of a car?

[ems]

According to wacko Betty Sue at Biblical Womenhood:

If only things were so simple.... :eusa-think:

The kids are allowed to explore their own interests-not...

The "one on one" attention, um, probably not so much after the siblings keep coming...

She "chooses" to work at a local business, not likely an actual "choice"....

She "grows to love" someone at her church, not likely especially if she's one of the older daughters...

If she is fortunate enough to get married, yes she'll have a ton of kids, but wtf, she can't give them the "one on one" attention so she schools her children online...

and her husband lets her spend her "free time" sewing & supplementing their income thus she's totally free to "care" for her family, please explain how she's doing both if the kids are being scholled online...

when all the kids leave home... um, with a lot of these fundies the kids don't every seem to actually leave home, so as for retirement, grandkids, etc, I just don't see it being so rosey...

I believe Betty Sue's oldest child (a daughter) is about 20 years old, all the kids are still living at home & grandparents "baby-sit" all the kids when Betty Sue and her husband go out on "date-night" :roll:

I love how she hasn't read about "Julia" but still has the nerve to talk like she knows what she's talking about.

I know not everyone is an Obama fan, but I think I would much rather be Julia than this woman's daughter.

I think the "Julia" scenario (going through her life with "Obamacare" vs. under Mitt Romney) is on the Obama campaign website.

And yeah, I don't see how these people manage a savings for medical care/midwifes while working lawncare/freelance sewing and having a bajillion kids. More likely they have no medical bills b/c they don't go to the doctor, and the "midwife" who oversees the birth on the conception bed is uncertified.

[ladypuglover]

What about the back seat of a car?

The back seat of a car in a local park?

[Boltingmadonna]

If it was a public park, that would be socialistic, and it would be a red-diaper baby! Parks should be privately owned and charge admission. Or else they should be run as charities by churches, who would only let you in if you got saved first. Socialistic heathens should not have the privilege of getting pregnant in the Jesus park for free.

[Rosa]

it was a car parked on the shoulder of a toll road, obviously.

Not one of these pinko "interstate" thingies paid for with evil FEDERAL tax dollars under the lying lie that they contribute to national defense.

[teddybear]

My maternal grandma was the wife of a sharecropper. She told many times about nursing babies in the field while chopping cotton. She had six kids and they all worked from the time they could walk. My dad's family had a bit of income during the Depression and owned their own farm. When my dad was 10 years old he had polio and spent the summer lying on a cot under a tree in yard. Some years later he cut his foot open with an ax, to sterilize the wound they used kerosene. As for schooling, my maternal grandmother went to the third grade, but was needed on the farm and didn't get any more schooling than that. My mom dropped out at age 16 to marry my dad. My dad was the first in his family to finish high school. Those good ole days weren't always so good.

[freejoytoo]

I have never understood this OMG SOCIALIST HEALTHCARE OH NO! attitude. It's FREE healthcare, and good healthcare at that. How is that bad?

[Hane]

Managed care as we know it came into being under the Nixon administration. He liked the idea of more widespread healthcare, but wanted it to be under the aegis of the private sector.

And what bananacat said about healthcare and the free market. It applies to other commodities, too--when the Bell system was broken up in the '80s, most people thought that prices would plummet. They kinda didn't.

[Maggie Mae]

I have never understood this OMG SOCIALIST HEALTHCARE OH NO! attitude. It's FREE healthcare, and good healthcare at that. How is that bad?

They don't seem to make the connection that the tax increase will be less than paying for private insurance. Also, there is a fear of change and some people (wealthiest people) might end up with less care. But I've also noticed a lot of Americans have bought into the more expensive tests = better health care myth, when in fact, doctors are ordering tests that aren't always needed. Sprained ankle? Better get an x-ray, even though it's pretty obvious that it's a sprain when the patient walked into the emergency room and can rotate it. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/04/healt ... tests.html

[freejoytoo]

Exactly. It leads to more corruption. Haven't they noticed that countries with highly funded social healthcare also have the highest standard of living?

[jenny_islander]

Do people who write this stuff have a clue that primary sources exist on the Internet? I don't even have to go to the library to find documentation from this supposed Golden Age of how crappy life was before the rudimentary socialist programs we have now were put in place. Just take a look at that bastion of middle-class privilege, Good Housekeeping. Even in their pretty pages, the ladies of GH showed awareness of just how harsh life was for the average wife and mother. (GH is archived at hearth.library.cornell.edu, if anybody's interested. Also take a look at Harper's Bazar while you're there, specifically the matter-of-fact acceptance of widespread death by disease, because the evil socialists weren't making people get shots.)

[emmiedahl]

Here are things really are in Jamie's fundie family:

Jamie is prepared for academics by her own mommy, who is barely literate and spitting out a baby every year due to a lack of birth control.

She "goes to school" at home with the same mommy who is functionally illiterate, using substandard curriculum and whatever mom can scrounge off the internet. She is allowed to study only what her parents approve, which includes no science and only the most biased and substandard history. She reaches adulthood without a diploma and unable to pass her GED.

She spends two years (and $10,000) on College Plus before finding out that there is only one university in the country who will accept the credit. She cannot leave the headship of her father, so she resigns herself to working at Walmart. She finds all the buttons confusing, they have big words like transaction that she did not encounter in her KJV-based reading class.

Her family homechurches so she cannot meet someone at church. A man on the internet approaches her and seems really nice. She and her father pray, and she marries him. She moves across the country to live at his home, saying good bye to her family and everyone she has ever met.

Soon, a little blessing is on the way. They choose to have Baby born in the same bed he was conceived in. They want to pay for the midwife with their own cash, but there is no cash. The husband's job at his father's used car business is not going well and it is hard to make ends meet. So she tries to give birth at home and ends up being transported to the hospital, where the taxpayers are left with a six figure bill.

For several years, Jamie spends most of her time caring for the increasing number of little ones. In her spare time she teaches herself how to sew using youtube videos. She invests thousands in material and sergers, but her etsy store is failing. She sold one dress for $20, less than materials cost, and the buyer complained about the quality. The debt is piling up; it has been months since her husband sold a car. They are too Christian to use a credit card or receive benefits, so she feeds her children corn from the feed store. They move to a trailer on her in-laws property because they cannot afford the rent on a home. The children keep coming.

Jamie and her hubby choose an online school for their children. They feel this best meets their needs at this time. However, she struggles because her five year old does not seem to be learning well from the online format. She asks her pastor if it is normal for a nine-year-old to be unable to read and he tells her that it is only important that the child learn to serve others.

Jamie gives up on sewing except for the ill-fitted frumpers that she and her daughters wear.

When the children leave home, Jamie and hubby are in their sixties, owe money to everyone who will lend to them, and have cost the taxpayers millions in medical care. The in-laws die and they cannot pay the property taxes, so they sell most of the property, keeping only enough for their now-40 year old single wide trailer. Jamie's husband says he wants to open a lawn business. She knows this is a bad idea; equipment costs a ton and he is too old for back-breaking labor. Even so, she knows it is not her place as a submissive wife to question him so she lets him spend most of the money from the property sales on industrial mowers and trimmers. His business barely scrapes along until he hurts his back. They have no income and no savings, so they apply for disability benefits. He is given $600 a month; they tell their church members that God is providing because they know it is shameful to be on the dole.

When retierment comes, they have nothing but the meager disability. Their children are married off and living in similar poverty, so it is difficult to expect help from them.

Their medical bills are covered by Medicare and free clinics.

When they die, they are buried in plots paid for by Social Security. The mortuary feels bad for them and gives them cut-rate services because the children cannot afford a proper burial even with government help.

And the cycle continues

[GolightlyGrrl]

Here are things really are in Jamie's fundie family:

Jamie is prepared for academics by her own mommy, who is barely literate and spitting out a baby every year due to a lack of birth control.

She "goes to school" at home with the same mommy who is functionally illiterate, using substandard curriculum and whatever mom can scrounge off the internet. She is allowed to study only what her parents approve, which includes no science and only the most biased and substandard history. She reaches adulthood without a diploma and unable to pass her GED.

She spends two years (and $10,000) on College Plus before finding out that there is only one university in the country who will accept the credit. She cannot leave the headship of her father, so she resigns herself to working at Walmart. She finds all the buttons confusing, they have big words like transaction that she did not encounter in her KJV-based reading class.

Her family homechurches so she cannot meet someone at church. A man on the internet approaches her and seems really nice. She and her father pray, and she marries him. She moves across the country to live at his home, saying good bye to her family and everyone she has ever met.

Soon, a little blessing is on the way. They choose to have Baby born in the same bed he was conceived in. They want to pay for the midwife with their own cash, but there is no cash. The husband's job at his father's used car business is not going well and it is hard to make ends meet. So she tries to give birth at home and ends up being transported to the hospital, where the taxpayers are left with a six figure bill.

For several years, Jamie spends most of her time caring for the increasing number of little ones. In her spare time she teaches herself how to sew using youtube videos. She invests thousands in material and sergers, but her etsy store is failing. She sold one dress for $20, less than materials cost, and the buyer complained about the quality. The debt is piling up; it has been months since her husband sold a car. They are too Christian to use a credit card or receive benefits, so she feeds her children corn from the feed store. They move to a trailer on her in-laws property because they cannot afford the rent on a home. The children keep coming.

Jamie and her hubby choose an online school for their children. They feel this best meets their needs at this time. However, she struggles because her five year old does not seem to be learning well from the online format. She asks her pastor if it is normal for a nine-year-old to be unable to read and he tells her that it is only important that the child learn to serve others.

Jamie gives up on sewing except for the ill-fitted frumpers that she and her daughters wear.

When the children leave home, Jamie and hubby are in their sixties, owe money to everyone who will lend to them, and have cost the taxpayers millions in medical care. The in-laws die and they cannot pay the property taxes, so they sell most of the property, keeping only enough for their now-40 year old single wide trailer. Jamie's husband says he wants to open a lawn business. She knows this is a bad idea; equipment costs a ton and he is too old for back-breaking labor. Even so, she knows it is not her place as a submissive wife to question him so she lets him spend most of the money from the property sales on industrial mowers and trimmers. His business barely scrapes along until he hurts his back. They have no income and no savings, so they apply for disability benefits. He is given $600 a month; they tell their church members that God is providing because they know it is shameful to be on the dole.

When retierment comes, they have nothing but the meager disability. Their children are married off and living in similar poverty, so it is difficult to expect help from them.

Their medical bills are covered by Medicare and free clinics.

When they die, they are buried in plots paid for by Social Security. The mortuary feels bad for them and gives them cut-rate services because the children cannot afford a proper burial even with government help.

And the cycle continues

This is brilliant!

[JMarie]

Since nobody is leaving comments, I doubt many people are reading her blog.

[0 kids n not countin]

emmiedahl wrote:

Here are things really are in Jamie's fundie family:

Jamie is prepared for academics by her own mommy, who is barely literate and spitting out a baby every year due to a lack of birth control.

She "goes to school" at home with the same mommy who is functionally illiterate, using substandard curriculum and whatever mom can scrounge off the internet. She is allowed to study only what her parents approve, which includes no science and only the most biased and substandard history. She reaches adulthood without a diploma and unable to pass her GED.

She spends two years (and $10,000) on College Plus before finding out that there is only one university in the country who will accept the credit. She cannot leave the headship of her father, so she resigns herself to working at Walmart. She finds all the buttons confusing, they have big words like transaction that she did not encounter in her KJV-based reading class.

Her family homechurches so she cannot meet someone at church. A man on the internet approaches her and seems really nice. She and her father pray, and she marries him. She moves across the country to live at his home, saying good bye to her family and everyone she has ever met.

Soon, a little blessing is on the way. They choose to have Baby born in the same bed he was conceived in. They want to pay for the midwife with their own cash, but there is no cash. The husband's job at his father's used car business is not going well and it is hard to make ends meet. So she tries to give birth at home and ends up being transported to the hospital, where the taxpayers are left with a six figure bill.

For several years, Jamie spends most of her time caring for the increasing number of little ones. In her spare time she teaches herself how to sew using youtube videos. She invests thousands in material and sergers, but her etsy store is failing. She sold one dress for $20, less than materials cost, and the buyer complained about the quality. The debt is piling up; it has been months since her husband sold a car. They are too Christian to use a credit card or receive benefits, so she feeds her children corn from the feed store. They move to a trailer on her in-laws property because they cannot afford the rent on a home. The children keep coming.

Jamie and her hubby choose an online school for their children. They feel this best meets their needs at this time. However, she struggles because her five year old does not seem to be learning well from the online format. She asks her pastor if it is normal for a nine-year-old to be unable to read and he tells her that it is only important that the child learn to serve others.

Jamie gives up on sewing except for the ill-fitted frumpers that she and her daughters wear.

When the children leave home, Jamie and hubby are in their sixties, owe money to everyone who will lend to them, and have cost the taxpayers millions in medical care. The in-laws die and they cannot pay the property taxes, so they sell most of the property, keeping only enough for their now-40 year old single wide trailer. Jamie's husband says he wants to open a lawn business. She knows this is a bad idea; equipment costs a ton and he is too old for back-breaking labor. Even so, she knows it is not her place as a submissive wife to question him so she lets him spend most of the money from the property sales on industrial mowers and trimmers. His business barely scrapes along until he hurts his back. They have no income and no savings, so they apply for disability benefits. He is given $600 a month; they tell their church members that God is providing because they know it is shameful to be on the dole.

When retierment comes, they have nothing but the meager disability. Their children are married off and living in similar poverty, so it is difficult to expect help from them.

Their medical bills are covered by Medicare and free clinics.

When they die, they are buried in plots paid for by Social Security. The mortuary feels bad for them and gives them cut-rate services because the children cannot afford a proper burial even with government help.

And the cycle continues

This is brilliant!

Totally!! :clap: Love it!! Wish I could post it on Betty Sue's website.

[emmiedahl]

I know they all read here! srsly, fundies do not pay a damn thing to the government but they take, take, take. They are the reason socialism is so expensive. If we all were giving, then it would be no problem.