(Possible Child Sexual Abuse Content) Josh and Anna 34: Plea Deal in the Making?

[tabitha2]

Where is Anna going to go with 8 kids?  It’s not fair or realistic to ask her siblings or parents to house them indefinitely. With the Duggar Grandparents her children have every creature comfort and more and will never want as well as the only family they really know. She is stuck. She 

Edited August 1, 2021 by tabitha2

[SPHASH]

I wonder if Anna and Josh would try and conceive via artificial insemination while he's in prison.  He leaves a deposit at the sperm bank for Anna's use.

Edited August 1, 2021 by SPHASH

[Natalie22]

4 hours ago, Jackie3 said:

We don't even know she was a victim. It's supposition, to make her decisions seem more palatable.

Honestly, she seems pretty happy in the Willis Clan videos and performances. Laughing, clapping, accepting compliments for being a great mom. If you look at her facebook now, she seems equally happy (though you can't always tell by facebook). No mention of the trauma her daughters experienced, or how she's helping them recover. She's nothing like Elizabeth Smart, for example, who regularly talks about her trauma and how she's helping others.

However, even assuming it's all an act, being a victim doesn't mean you get to commit crimes scot-free. She looked away while felonies were committed in her home. That is a crime. It is a felony to rape a child. That's why Toby is going away for 40 years. When you know (or should have known) that a felony is happening, you are guilty too.

Truth is, most criminals are victims themselves. An extraordinarily high percentage were victims of child abuse. Most have been victims of some type of societal disadvantage (social, economic, etc). Yet they are still held accountable for their actions.

Patty Hearst was an obvious victim -- kidnapped, abused. Yet when she committed bank robbery with the group that had kidnapped her, she went to jail.

Would you be equally willing to give Anna Duggar a pass, if it turns out she's turned a blind eye? I wouldn't. 

It's interesting that you seem to think that being at a public event or working victims could never experience happiness or fake happiness.  Of course they can.  It's also interesting that you want to say there is no evidence that she is a victim.  All of her children certainly seem to see it that way and her eldest daughter has been very explicit of her father threatening to kill or harm the whole family when her mother did confront him with Jessica's letter.  I'm not sure why you seem to think that means it's unlikely that she was abused.

Finally, you have completely avoided the reality that the most dangerous time for someone in an abusive relationship is when they tell their partner they are going to leave or when they have left.  It is also not uncommon for a partner to still have custody of the kids.  Courts are very hesitant to reduce custody rights for parents especially without clear evidence of abuse.  That would mean he would have access to all 12 kids with no supervision.  Not only could he continue to abuse them but he could also try to kill them as a way of retaliating against Brenda for trying to leave.  This isn't crazy to imagine as we have Jessica's own experience of him threating this exact thing when her mother confronted him about the sexual abuse.

[Tatar-tot]

The only way Anna will get divorced is if Josh is in jail for an extended period of time (10 to 20 years) and she falls in love with another man. Otherwise, it won’t happen.  
Anna will probably continue to live on the Duggars property, end up with welfare/food stamps/Medicaid along with JB handouts.  
JB/Michelle will throw her a bone here and there.  Anna will continue to be sweet & star in TLC’s latest show something like PRISON WIVES.  
Anna is not a sharp knife.  She is not a trail blazer.  Anna will take the path of least resistance. 
The only way something different would happen is if JB disowned Josh.  In all honesty I don’t ever see that happening no matter how abhorrent Josh’s behavior is. 

[Don'tlikekoolaid]

If I knew my husband was abusing my kids sexually or any other way he would be having a tragic accident on a flight of stairs or something. Not kidding, not sorry.

[Tatar-tot]

3 minutes ago, Don'tlikekoolaid said:

If I knew my husband was abusing my kids sexually or any other way he would be having a tragic accident on a flight of stairs or something. Not kidding, not sorry.

Same here.  It would not be pretty.  

[tabitha2]

Then daddy would be a pedophile and Mommy would be the one who murdered him. And they would have neither parent. 

[viii]

51 minutes ago, Tatar-tot said:

Anna is not a sharp knife.  She is not a trail blazer.  Anna will take the path of least resistance. 

I actually think Anna is incredible calculating, manipulative and scheming. If she wants something for herself, she finds a way to make it happen. I don’t think Anna should be under-estimated. 

[Bluebirdbluebell]

I think Anna will get divorced eventually. Maybe after he pleads guilty or is found guilty at trial. 

[SweetLaurel]

1 hour ago, Don'tlikekoolaid said:

If I knew my husband was abusing my kids sexually or any other way he would be having a tragic accident on a flight of stairs or something. Not kidding, not sorry.

 So you would go to jail and they would go to foster care?  Most people don't get away with 'accidents'.   

[Don'tlikekoolaid]

2 minutes ago, SweetLaurel said:

 So you would go to jail and they would go to foster care?  Most people don't get away with 'accidents'.   

Justifiable homicide.  For the record I’ve gotten away with a lot of stuff.  I’ve never been a victim without turning the tables.

[Cults-r-us]

22 minutes ago, Bluebirdbluebell said:

I think Anna will get divorced eventually. Maybe after he pleads guilty or is found guilty at trial. 

Maybe JB will pull a Scott Brown and find an eligible suiter who will marry Anna and help support her brood. (If Kelly could find life and love after Bradrick!, then maybe there is hope for Anna!)  Additionally and unrelatedly, earlier today I was thinking that being on Parler blasting Dems was a hall pass from keeping sweet for fundie womenfolk.

[dawbs]

The problem with abuse is its multifold.

I can say with reasonable certainty that if protect my kid and leave my husband. But abusers are clever.

Undermining so a kid won't be believed; gaslighting the other parent so they don't believe themselves, finding ways to blame the other parent, abusing the other parent so they are terrified to leave... all of these are just a normal Tuesday to abusers.

(And some abusers partner with other abusers intentionally) 

So those of us in healthy relationships find it easy to plan what should be done. It's the people who are in abusive relationships that will have the "battered-syndrome"/ptsd that make it hard to fix it. 

I don't know who has or hasn't been abused in ALL this crap. But assuming ability to make normal choices from an abuse or victim isn't an assumption that gets you far. 

[Coconut Flan]

It took my mother 20 years of abuse to leave my father.  She didn't manage it until he tried to kill me and I decamped as a 17 year old.  She faced a choice of leaving him or losing me forever.  

I heard every excuse for his behavior and every "reason" in the book from her for staying.  I have a lot more compassion now than I did growing up in that household.  I'd still pack up and leave in the middle of the night though.  I had lots of choices of safe places to go fortunately.  

At that point my mother had no children at home since I left and I was an only child.  If she'd had seven or more children, I don't think she'd have ever made it unless I'd been able to support them and help her bring them up.  She simply wasn't a strong enough person.  

[feministxtian]

Even if you manage to survive leaving (or he physically throws you out), you STILL aren't safe. There was a reason I moved back to VA after the X and I split. He was stalking me. He would hang out where I worked and when I went to my car to go home, he'd show me his gun and say "bang, bang". Telling the cops didn't do a damn bit of good, he was such a great gaslighter he could make me seem like the crazy one. To this day (24 years later) he still tells people he should have shot me when he had the chance. 

Leaving an abuser is LITERALLY taking your life (and your children's lives) into your hands. It's so easy to say "well, leave". BUT...if you haven't been a DV victim, you have no idea how hard it is, how bad your head is fucked up by these psychos, how they manipulate and twist things until you don't know reality from fantasy. 

So, with all due respect to the folks who are saying that Brenda Willis and Anna Duggar should just up and leave, I hope you know that without LOTS of help, without an escape plan, they have a MUCH higher chance of being killed...and the kids too. Abusers will stop at NOTHING to try to preserve their reputations and make the victim look like the mentally unstable one. 

I was lucky, I survived and thrived. But, I've been to more funerals than I care to count for women and children who weren't so lucky. 

[Coconut Flan]

My mother moved 2350 miles away when my father began stalking her.  I only moved a couple hundred, but he wasn't as interested in me.  

[patsymae]

6 hours ago, tabitha2 said:

Where is Anna going to go with 8 kids?  It’s not fair or realistic to ask her siblings or parents to house them indefinitely. With the Duggar Grandparents her children have every creature comfort and more and will never want as well as the only family they really know. She is stuck. She 

even David and Priscilla look good at this point

[EmCatlyn]

6 hours ago, AuntCloud said:

It’s not The Knock that tears family apart, it’s the despicable family member who was into child porn. Yes, the families are going through hell. This hell wasn’t brought upon by the police. 

The article isn’t blaming the police.  The article is about another set of victims  of the CSA viewing family member.  Just as other victims need help, the innocent family needs help and support.  

[EmCatlyn]

3 hours ago, viii said:

I actually think Anna is incredible calculating, manipulative and scheming. If she wants something for herself, she finds a way to make it happen. I don’t think Anna should be under-estimated. 

That is an interesting assessment considering there is so much that Anna clearly would want for herself (more TV time, a spouse who values her, etc.) but has not been able to “make it happen.”   I don’t disagree that Anna could be “manipulative” and “scheming” — I just don’t see her getting that much out of it.??‍♀️

It is true that in many ways Anna has the life she wants —except for Josh’s tendency to get into scandals and make them all look bad.   She is living a life where she can feel virtuous and be validated by her community for having umpteen kids and so forth.  The Duggars ensure she and the kids have a decent standard of living, even if she lives in a converted warehouse.

Yet this is all pretty basic. She isn’t exactly enjoying a great life.  Josh’s sins may make her feel smug and superior, but in her world they make her look like a bad wife who couldn’t help her husband resist the devil.  In our world we judge her a fool and an enabler.

She is hardly a fundy domestic Machiavelli. ?

[Jackie3]

21 minutes ago, EmCatlyn said:

I actually think Anna is incredible calculating, manipulative and scheming. If she wants something for herself, she finds a way to make it happen. I don’t think Anna should be under-estimated. 

Wow, I disagree. Anna doesn't seem like she's getting ANYTHING that she wants. She wanted Josh to stop looking at porn, for one. She didn't make that happen.

[viii]

I think the whole reason we saw Anna appear on Counting On was because she pushed her way onto it. I don’t think TLC cared that much about her. I’m not saying Anna is a genius mastermind, but I think it’s incredibly naive to say she’s not a sharp knife. 

[Smee]

I highly doubt there’ll be an M8 before Josh is out of jail. After he’s done his time (which might be far shorter than we hope or he deserves)? Quite possibly.

[EmCatlyn]

1 hour ago, Jackie3 said:

Wow, I disagree. Anna doesn't seem like she's getting ANYTHING that she wants. She wanted Josh to stop looking at porn, for one. She didn't make that happen.

@Jackie3 FWIW,  Your quote box makes it seem I am the one who said that Anna was able to get what she wanted.  I didn’t. I was quoting @viii, and although I grant that she may be sneaky and manipulative, I think she doesn’t have success on the big things she wants.  I pointed out that Anna is “hardly a domestic fundie Machiavelli.”  So I am sort of between you and viii on this one.  I think Anna does get some things she wants, but I not all.

[EmCatlyn]

1 hour ago, viii said:

I think the whole reason we saw Anna appear on Counting On was because she pushed her way onto it. I don’t think TLC cared that much about her. I’m not saying Anna is a genius mastermind, but I think it’s incredibly naive to say she’s not a sharp knife. 

I don’t think she is all that clever.  She seems to be someone who is invested in her role and who knows how to make that role work for her but not much more.  Unfortunately for her, Josh has not been equally good at playing the role assigned to him.  So she is stuck with dealing with the messes he makes.  It limits her getting what she wants.

I don’t think she pushed her way into the first season of “Counting On.”  I think her disclosure of how she had handled Josh’s fall, and so forth was very much wanted by TLC.  It helped get the new show going.   I do suspect that after that first season, TLC thought her connection to Josh was a potential liability and anyway her life wasn’t that interesting after the Fall of Josh version 1 had been “milked” sufficiently.

[Jrodseyeliner]

Why would Anna move? She is in the windowless warehouse for life..