[CW: Child Sex Abuse] Josh&Anna 28:Does anyone wonder how many times JB has phoned up Mike Huckabee?

[libgirl2]

Just now, fundiefan said:

I'll give you odds those people were not white kristchen boys with expensive lawyers. 

You got that! 

Just now, Jacked said:

Bail granted. Many terms. Not limited to the following...

Including electronic monitoring, no possession of or use of internet capable device. Anna monitoring visits with children. No contact with ANY minors other than the little Ms. Not even minorDuggar siblings.

And praise Rufus...

Law enforcement intends to have little Ms forensically examined. 

 

 

Wow! As sad as it is for the kids, they need to be. 

[QuiverFullofBooks]

There’s going to be paparazzi around the Rebers’ house for sure. No way anyone warned Mrs. Reber about that.

[JenniferJuniper]

1 minute ago, libgirl2 said:

I know but it really pisses me off. WE are talking kids here. Children! 

Understood, but he's not charged with assault, and he's currently still considered innocent. I'd have been shocked if he didn't get released today.

[justoneoftwo]

Does seem to be about as good as we should have expected

[They call me madre]

4 minutes ago, justoneoftwo said:

I thought it might go the other way but we shouldn't be surprised. The law really pushes for pretrial release

I really hope based on his behavior and responses to the judge they hold him till trial!  

[Idlewild]

I really do not trust Anna to be monitoring anything. Like she’d report him for any inappropriate behaviour.

[purple_summer]

Details

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Judge's thoughts:

Nature of circumstances of charges against Josh: Presumed innocent. But count 1 carries a mandatory minimum 5 year sentence. Count 2 could carry sentence of 20 years based on the evidence admitted at trial. Court views these charges as very serious. Court is concerned about the evidence describing those charges. It is concerning that that DD file is "some of the worst sexual abuse child pornography that he has seen in over a thousand cases." That concerns the courts.

The number of images concerns the court. The prepubescent age of the victims concerns the court. The sophistication of the person who downloaded the images concerns the court. It is not the average defendant who can access the Dark Web, who can use partition devices, and who can bypass significant surveillance programs.

Children are involuntary victims of pornography and sexual abuse. They're subject often to human trafficking and other circumstances we don't have time to address. The demand and download of child pornography fields the market for the production of this material. The forensic evidence suggests that a significant amount of effort was made to download a significant amount of child sexual material. The weight of the evidence is not insubstantial. That also weighs against Josh.

History and characteristics of Josh: Josh has a long history in Northwest Arkansas, he's married, has children. He has no drug or alcohol history. It seems that Josh has been involved in various businesses in Arkansas. Josh turned himself in and does not appear to have a history of other crimes. Josh did not seem to obstruct any investigation.

The court does not need to treat Josh differently than anyone else similarly situated. However, Josh's family has chosen to make their family life public. Although Josh has never been convicted of any crime, he has admitted to in the past touching children, which concerns the court. That was a public admission, and everyone at this hearing knows it. This concerns the court. What's particularly concerning is the age of Josh's sisters and the age of the children involved with the charges against him.

The court is mindful, however, that this conduct happened a long time ago. And it happened when Josh was a child. That fact, and that fact alone, are in Josh's favor. It is concerning to court that Josh has committed that he has an issue with pornography; that is different than child pornography. But what the court has heard is that prior to images being downloaded to Josh's computer, Covenant Eyes was installed which is a program that acts as a deterrent. The court has also heard testimony that Josh's wife may have been his accountability partner on that. The court is not making a determination on that, but it concerns the court.

The court is concerned that the ages of the children involved are very similar to the age of Josh's children and the ages of his nieces and his nephews. The court keeps coming back to the age of the children Josh interacts with on a daily basis and is concerned.

Seriousness of the danger Josh poses to the community: The court does not know. Josh has not been convicted of being a danger to anyone. There is no criminal history that suggests Josh has displayed a pattern of violence to anyone. But Josh's children, his sibling's children, and his minor brothers and sisters are all part of the community that need to be protected from him.

This is a very close call. The U.S. Attorney has not met its burden.

Josh Duggar will be released on very strict conditions:

- Cannot be returned to his guest house or TTH

- Court is not interested in second chances. Don't fuck up with the Reavers. (paragraphsed)

- Tomorrow Josh will be released to the Reavers with close GPS monitoring. Restricted to this residence except for working, education, church, medical services, meeting with lawyers, court ordered obligation, or other activities approved IN ADVANCE by the probation office.

- May not possess or view pornography or erotica of any kind

- Court does not think it has the technology to limit Josh's use. Josh cannot have computers, phones, smart TVs, gaming systems, etc. He may not ask for the passwords from the Reavers or her daughter.

- Josh can get a jitterbug phone to contact counsel as long as it's approved by a probation officer.

- Josh cannot leave the Western District of Arkansas.

- Josh can have unlimited contact with his children as long as their mother is present. Josh cannot have contact with any other minor children including siblings, family members, piano students, etc.

- Not a requirement but a recommendation: Plan activities based on who he might run into. Avoid birthday parties, etc.

- No substances, drugs or alcohol

- Cannot actually or constructively possess a firearm

- Must surrender passport and not obtain a new passport

- May not violate any state or local law

- Must provide a DNA sample

- Must appear in court as requested

- Tomorrow must sign an appearance bond

 

[xenobia]

1 minute ago, QuiverFullOfCondoms said:

But who is going to be on top of him and report him? 
I wouldn’t be surprised if Anna is over there with the all the Ms tomorrow.

Of course she will be, because he is innocent and God has forgiven and so should we and yada yada. 

This will only add to his narcissistic thought that he can do exactly whatever he wants to do without. He's convinced he's smarter than everyone else. I'm also 100% convinced that the never bought the IBLP, or even basic christian, teachings. He's just pretending, because it provides him with enablers that makes his crimes possible. 

[gustava]

Wonder how long before he violates terms of his bail.

[luv2laugh]

2 minutes ago, Jacked said:

Bail granted. Many terms. Not limited to the following...

Including electronic monitoring, no possession of or use of internet capable device. Anna monitoring visits with children. No contact with ANY minors other than the little Ms. Not even minorDuggar siblings.

And praise Rufus...

Law enforcement intends to have little Ms forensically examined. 

 

 

Where are you reading this from?

[rexasaurus_nirb]

Just now, Idlewild said:

I really do not trust Anna to be monitoring anything. Like she’d report him for any inappropriate behaviour.

Yea there is no way she would report him especially if he specifically told her not to. Wonder if any Duggar comments will be issued. 

[justoneoftwo]

Just now, They call me madre said:

I really hope based on his behavior and responses to the judge they hold him till trial!  

The judge seemed remarkably aware of the history and issues with the church, but it still hard to not get bail unless you can show flight risk

[fundiefan]

GPS monitor, per Arkansas Fox news affiliate. 

[Jacked]

7 minutes ago, FiveAcres said:

Reports on Twitter that magistrate granted bond. Waiting for a link from a source I recognize.

I was a party to the hearing. Not gonna say how or where. If mods want to verify me they can. 
 

Smuggar was issued bail. Barely. And with shit tons of restrictions.

[nst]

1 minute ago, Idlewild said:

I really do not trust Anna to be monitoring anything. Like she’d report him for any inappropriate behaviour.

i agree with this because she is just as culpable with regards to him . 

[onekidanddone]

1 minute ago, Jacked said:

Bail granted. Many terms. Not limited to the following...

Including electronic monitoring, no possession of or use of internet capable device. Anna monitoring visits with children. No contact with ANY minors other than the little Ms. Not even minorDuggar siblings.

And praise Rufus...

Law enforcement intends to have little Ms forensically examined. 

 

 

I know this is necessary still it will be traumatizing for them.  I hope they have a child advocate with them and definitely not Anna. 

[They call me madre]

2 minutes ago, Idlewild said:

The baby is due September time? I guess the trial will be delayed until after then.

Why should they?  Active duty soldiers deployed overseas sometimes never are granted a leave from a deployment for the birth of their kids...... SO A CRIMINAL LIKE JOSH should be treated even more strict!  

[FreeTheScapegoats]

Lately, I've been wondering if punitivism is a good idea in general. I know that, in a way, there are enough inmates to throw in someone who hasn't been tried. But, this is about kids who were hurt. Of course the White, "Christian" man is being allowed to go, him being part of a family where there are lots of minors (to the point he still has minor siblings) notwithstanding.

I hope he does eventually get convicted. And I hope this means he didn't have to pay any sort of "entry ticket" into the CSA world with his own home made "material" (it sickens me to write this). His kids are going through enough.

[browngrl]

I have now read the Duggar threads here and on Reddit. I'm tired and worn out.  I'm going to look at pictures of puppies and kittens now and hope this bleaches away the images Duggar's hearing left me. 

[OrchidBlossom]

14 minutes ago, ofDany said:

He partitioned his hard drive so that he could get stuff without being discovered by the monitoring program.

To be fair, we know he partitioned his computer right before the investigation started and THIS activity wasn't noted. We do not know he hadn't tried to access it before that and it was picked up by the monitoring software. This could have been why he ended up partitioning. The article could also be wrong, but it doesn't have to be one or the other.

[blackkatya]

1 minute ago, purple_summer said:

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Judge's thoughts:

Nature of circumstances of charges against Josh: Presumed innocent. But count 1 carries a mandatory minimum 5 year sentence. Count 2 could carry sentence of 20 years based on the evidence admitted at trial. Court views these charges as very serious. Court is concerned about the evidence describing those charges. It is concerning that that DD file is "some of the worst sexual abuse child pornography that he has seen in over a thousand cases." That concerns the courts.

The number of images concerns the court. The prepubescent age of the victims concerns the court. The sophistication of the person who downloaded the images concerns the court. It is not the average defendant who can access the Dark Web, who can use partition devices, and who can bypass significant surveillance programs.

Children are involuntary victims of pornography and sexual abuse. They're subject often to human trafficking and other circumstances we don't have time to address. The demand and download of child pornography fields the market for the production of this material. The forensic evidence suggests that a significant amount of effort was made to download a significant amount of child sexual material. The weight of the evidence is not insubstantial. That also weighs against Josh.

History and characteristics of Josh: Josh has a long history in Northwest Arkansas, he's married, has children. He has no drug or alcohol history. It seems that Josh has been involved in various businesses in Arkansas. Josh turned himself in and does not appear to have a history of other crimes. Josh did not seem to obstruct any investigation.

The court does not need to treat Josh differently than anyone else similarly situated. However, Josh's family has chosen to make their family life public. Although Josh has never been convicted of any crime, he has admitted to in the past touching children, which concerns the court. That was a public admission, and everyone at this hearing knows it. This concerns the court. What's particularly concerning is the age of Josh's sisters and the age of the children involved with the charges against him.

The court is mindful, however, that this conduct happened a long time ago. And it happened when Josh was a child. That fact, and that fact alone, are in Josh's favor. It is concerning to court that Josh has committed that he has an issue with pornography; that is different than child pornography. But what the court has heard is that prior to images being downloaded to Josh's computer, Covenant Eyes was installed which is a program that acts as a deterrent. The court has also heard testimony that Josh's wife may have been his accountability partner on that. The court is not making a determination on that, but it concerns the court.

The court is concerned that the ages of the children involved are very similar to the age of Josh's children and the ages of his nieces and his nephews. The court keeps coming back to the age of the children Josh interacts with on a daily basis and is concerned.

Seriousness of the danger Josh poses to the community: The court does not know. Josh has not been convicted of being a danger to anyone. There is no criminal history that suggests Josh has displayed a pattern of violence to anyone. But Josh's children, his sibling's children, and his minor brothers and sisters are all part of the community that need to be protected from him.

This is a very close call. The U.S. Attorney has not met its burden.

Josh Duggar will be released on very strict conditions:

- Cannot be returned to his guest house or TTH

- Court is not interested in second chances. Don't fuck up with the Reavers. (paragraphsed)

- Tomorrow Josh will be released to the Reavers with close GPS monitoring. Restricted to this residence except for working, education, church, medical services, meeting with lawyers, court ordered obligation, or other activities approved IN ADVANCE by the probation office.

- May not possess or view pornography or erotica of any kind

- Court does not think it has the technology to limit Josh's use. Josh cannot have computers, phones, smart TVs, gaming systems, etc. He may not ask for the passwords from the Reavers or her daughter.

- Josh can get a jitterbug phone to contact counsel as long as it's approved by a probation officer.

- Josh cannot leave the Western District of Arkansas.

- Josh can have unlimited contact with his children as long as their mother is present. Josh cannot have contact with any other minor children including siblings, family members, piano students, etc.

- Not a requirement but a recommendation: Plan activities based on who he might run into. Avoid birthday parties, etc.

- No substances, drugs or alcohol

- Cannot actually or constructively possess a firearm

- Must surrender passport and not obtain a new passport

- May not violate any state or local law

- Must provide a DNA sample

- Must appear in court as requested

- Tomorrow must sign an appearance bond

 

"Josh can have unlimited contact with his children as long as their mother is present."

I'm sure this is standard but it still sends a chill down my spine.

[QuiverFullofBooks]

3 minutes ago, purple_summer said:

Don't fuck up with the Reavers

Next thread title?

[libgirl2]

Unlimited contact with his children as long as their mother is present? I hope that isn't it. There needs to be someone else there. They could try to coerce the kids into not talking if there is something to talk about. 

[RainbowSky]

Fucking fuck. People get held over for weed and this sick fuck gets out to go to people who have not a damn clue and the wife doesn't even want him? Fucking disgraceful. 

[Jana814]

Josh thinks he’s above all laws. I hope does what the judge tells him to do.