8 Passengers: Youtuber's Take Son's Bed and Refuse to Give Daughter Lunch

[CTRLZero]

6 minutes ago, clueliss said:

Mormon Stories podcast has an extended interview with Jessi.  (Over 3 hours).  Sorry,  I don't have the link handy at the moment.

I linked it above in my Saturday post.  It really is an excellent interview.  
And here:
Link to YouTube and Podcast - Mormon Stories

Edited September 12, 2023 by CTRLZero
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[clueliss]

Law and Crime network, sidebar video.  Interview with Kevin’s attorney.  
 

summary:  

Ruby contacted him before the arrest.  Kevin didn’t know the kids were in Ivins.  He had barely seen the kids.  Ruby said they needed to work on their marriage and it was best to work on things outside of the home and away from the kids.  Attorney doesn’t want to discuss details.  He (Kevin) was taking direction from her.  She thought things were better if he didn’t contact the kids and wanted contact to go through her.  Attorney said a lot of the dynamics of their marriage changed when Jodi partnered with Ruby.  It sounds like the kids had been down there since late May.  Jodi was the spearhead to destroying his life.  Kevin feels manipulated. They reviewed the interview with Jessi (Jodi’s niece) as well as other statements from Jodi’s victims.  Kevin apparently drove to St. George to (try to) get his kids when the arrest was made.  Contact with kids is being ,managed through juvenile court.  He has been in contact with C and S.  Kevin was giving his earnings to Ruby to support the children (less what he needed to support himself).  Kevin disconnected from Connexions a year and a half ago.  That statement R made about one of the kids was made in Juvenile Court and the reporter who snuck in and then published/broadcast that information damaged the kids.  
 

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A,lot,of,what was said rather fits in with my personal thoughts regarding Kevin’s said of this given what we’ve heard from other victims of Jodi.

[Howl]

Short but succinct interview with a man who was in  of Jodi's men's "counseling" groups, and walked out when he realized it was destructive and wrong.  Toxic doesn't get close to what was going on, and reports on Jodi Hildebrant's approach seem consistent. 

 

[JermajestyDuggar]

18 minutes ago, Howl said:

Short but succinct interview with a man who was in  of Jodi's men's "counseling" groups, and walked out when he realized it was destructive and wrong.  Toxic doesn't get close to what was going on, and reports on Jodi Hildebrant's approach seem consistent. 

 

They do seem consistent. She seems to vilify the men by accusing them of watching porn or having sexual thoughts. And we know how common porn watching is in Utah. You can look up the stats. I think she uses this against them and drives a wedge between the husband and wife pretty consistently. 

[hoipolloi]

2 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

She seems to vilify the men by accusing them of watching porn or having sexual thoughts.

Which also parallels the disgusting comments about the children that Ruby is alleged to have made during her court hearing last week. While I have my doubts about the veracity of that entire Daily Fail account, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that this type of accusation is Jodi's go-to tactic in her "counseling" sessions.

Also, the UT licensing bureau doesn't seem to be in a hurry to do anything about Jodi but maybe that's par for the course, and not specific to her case.

 

[JermajestyDuggar]

1 hour ago, hoipolloi said:

Which also parallels the disgusting comments about the children that Ruby is alleged to have made during her court hearing last week. While I have my doubts about the veracity of that entire Daily Fail account, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that this type of accusation is Jodi's go-to tactic in her "counseling" sessions.

Also, the UT licensing bureau doesn't seem to be in a hurry to do anything about Jodi but maybe that's par for the course, and not specific to her case.

 

I’m hoping they aren’t because they know she can’t practice while she’s in jail and are waiting until they have to do something. Like when she makes bail. Then they better do something. 

[clueliss]

Someone in a video I watched (it was a live that I watched later) commented a reminder that Ruby said the Tiktok dance at school J or A did to a Flo Rida song (low?) was pornographic.  (And the song see,s to be used nationally in ads for Kroger and Kroger owned stores - it’s used here in Gerbes ads)

[Dandruff]

I hope those minor children are placed into a situation where they feel safe testifying in full and are able to heal.  Based on the videos/interviews I've seen I hope their father isn't given custody anytime soon.

Kevin was participating in the upbringing of those kids for most of their lives.  While I didn't watch many 8 Passenger videos I have no recollection of him advocating against intrusive interviews (Ruby with the kids) or questionable "discipline"; e.g., their older son sleeping on a beanbag chair for 7 months because he wasn't allowed to sleep in a bed, or the youngest two being kept home from school to clean floorboards.

Ruby's sister, in a since-deleted video, claimed they were trying to help keep the kids safe for years.  There had been many public comments, at least one petition, and calls to CPS over the years expressing concerns about the kids, based on what was seen in 8 Passenger videos.  Kevin was separated from Ruby and the kids for (only) the last 13 months.

I don't see how Kevin wouldn't be suspicious about the kids' welfare after he was separated from the kids and I wonder why he didn't verify in person that they were OK vs. taking Ruby's word for it.  I wonder why he accepted not being able to speak with them regularly or see them.  Seems to me that he either trusted Ruby's judgement and was comfortable with the distance and the way she treated the kids or he had higher priorities than confronting Ruby to be able to see them.  Is there another possibility? 

I hope that the Utah legal and child protective systems take a very close look at Kevin's parenting before considering giving him partial or full custody.  While the kids might benefit from spending time with him (assuming Ruby is kept out of their picture), I suspect a lot of therapy would be needed as well as boundaries and monitoring.

[Pammy]

On 9/13/2023 at 4:31 PM, clueliss said:

Someone in a video I watched (it was a live that I watched later) commented a reminder that Ruby said the Tiktok dance at school J or A did to a Flo Rida song (low?) was pornographic.  (And the song see,s to be used nationally in ads for Kroger and Kroger owned stores - it’s used here in Gerbes ads)

That's what I was thinking, about the definitions of words: If a tiktok dance is "pornography" -- then a child who allegedly (by the Daily Mail) was alleged (by Ruby) that he "saw pornography at age 3" possibly watched something as simple as a music video, or even a TV commercial.

And what then is a "sexual assault" and/or "sexual abuse" in this wacko vocabulary world? Dancing 'sexy' in front of someone? Getting your little kid butt too close to someone's face and farting? Taking off your shirt and showing off your elementary school abs? Playing 'show me yours and I'll show you mine'? Chasing other kids and threatening to kiss them? Body contact during ordinary horseplay or wrestling?

If anything "sexual" at all happened, I really imagine that it was that kind of stuff. Or it could totally be a full-fledged lie.

[Howl]

On 9/13/2023 at 11:30 AM, hoipolloi said:

While I have my doubts about the veracity of that entire Daily Fail account, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that this type of accusation is Jodi's go-to tactic in her "counseling" sessions.

Jessi Hildrebrant noted that hearing Ruby Franke accusing her son of sexually abusing his siblings was the specific reason she gave an interview with the media. Jessi notes that this accusation is in itself a form of a abuse, because those accusations could follow her son into adulthood and NEVER BE DISPROVEN.

In the year that Jessi H was in Jodi's toxic and abusive "care" as a virginal and extremely naive 15-16 year old, Jodi H accused Jessi H relentlessly of being addicted to porn and masturbation,  having had multiple abortions and on and on.  Jessi said that she lied and confessed to things that were not true to TO GET THE PSYCHOLOGICAL ABUSE TO STOP. 

Another thing that I've noticed is that in many photos and some YouTube vids, Jody and Ruby sit very close together in the middle of a couch, often touching.   Mormon Stories has a YouTube addressing the possibility that Ruby and Jodi have a sexual relationship.  Jessi noted in (I think) a Mormon Stories interview that Jodi once told her that Jodi being in a relationship with another woman wouldn't be wrong because it would be based on a deeply emotional connection, rather than just being sexual. 

I think what's coming to light is just the tip of the iceberg on how profoundly f**ked up and evil Jodi H is. 

[clueliss]

I’m aware of how close Jodi and Ruby sit.  However, as Jordan and McKay point out in their lives videos on this subject, it is problematic to discuss that point the way some folks are (general some folks, not specific) because it falls into some unhealthy stereotypes.

[clueliss]

Law and Crime Daily did a rise and fall timeline video.  And it includes nit just the frequently replayed video about Chad nit having a bed for 7 months, but a somewhat chilling (to me) conversation with R in the same video where Ruby uses the term “distorted.”  Close enough to “distortion” to hear/ feel the Jodi influence back then.  
 

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Edited September 16, 2023 by clueliss
I’m an idiot and forgot the video link

[JermajestyDuggar]

51 minutes ago, clueliss said:

Law and Crime Daily did a rise and fall timeline video.  And it includes nit just the frequently replayed video about Chad nit having a bed for 7 months, but a somewhat chilling (to me) conversation with R in the same video where Ruby uses the term “distorted.”  Close enough to “distortion” to hear/ feel the Jodi influence back then.  
 

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I really am curious as to when exactly Ruby met Jodi. It would be interesting to them compare that to the videos put out. 

[Pleiades_06]

The bail hearing has been postponed. I‘m confused about when the next custody hearing will take place. This video featuring Kevin‘s lawyer doesn’t clear it up. It doesn’t seem like they are with family.
 

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[JermajestyDuggar]

I guess if it’s postponed that means they are jail for awhile longer. 

[Pleiades_06]

More details and clearer information from the Salt Lake Tribune:

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https://www.sltrib.com/news/2023/09/18/ruby-franke-judge-considers-making/

Kevin definitely doesn’t have custody, nor do any other family members. Shari could be excluded from proceedings if they make the custody hearings private. 

[FiveAcres]

I am glad Shari has counsel. This situation is a hell of a thing for any relative to negotiate, let alone a twenty-year-old brought up in an abusive family.

 

[JermajestyDuggar]

I can understand why it would be a closed courtroom. The horrible stuff Ruby was saying about her kids makes me sick. That shouldn’t be public. 

[Dandruff]

6 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

I can understand why it would be a closed courtroom. The horrible stuff Ruby was saying about her kids makes me sick. That shouldn’t be public. 

Maybe that's part of her tactic.  I'll guess she'd prefer a closed courtroom.

[JermajestyDuggar]

Just now, Dandruff said:

Maybe that's part of her tactic.  I'll guess she'd prefer a closed courtroom.

She might, but I think the kids could prefer it even more. They’ve already had their entire lives posted for millions on YouTube. 

[Dandruff]

2 minutes ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

She might, but I think the kids could prefer it even more. They’ve already had their entire lives posted for millions on YouTube. 

Could be, though after all the kids have been through perhaps they'd be willing for the case to stay public until comeuppance.  Aside from the disgusting accusations (which the public is already aware of), they're now being widely recognized as the victims and hero(s) while some privacy is being maintained.

[JermajestyDuggar]

42 minutes ago, Dandruff said:

Could be, though after all the kids have been through perhaps they'd be willing for the case to stay public until comeuppance.  Aside from the disgusting accusations (which the public is already aware of), they're now being widely recognized as the victims and hero(s) while some privacy is being maintained.

I admit when I see people running stories on them online and in the news, I wish they would always blur out the faces. I know Ruby has sold their lives online for years but I can’t help but want them to have a tiny bit of privacy now. 

Edited September 19, 2023 by JermajestyDuggar

[Howl]

Came across this interesting Reddit review about ConneXions.  The review notes there are a few things good about ConneXions and how it is utterly toxic and promotes codependency in practice.  Link to Honest & Thoughtful Review of Connexions w/ Jodi Hildebrandt   HERE.  

Also makes a few references to how much money someone might spend on ConneXions over time if they are staying for multiple years -- it's a LOT. There are apparently people working for Jodi for no pay...so Jodi has few (any?) paid employees. 

Jodi H is likely a wealthy woman by now; that cash cow is going to dry up.  For the time being, there's probably sufficient $$$ for a really good lawyer. 

On 9/16/2023 at 10:08 AM, clueliss said:

I’m aware of how close Jodi and Ruby sit.  However, as Jordan and McKay point out in their live videos on this subject, it is problematic to discuss that point the way some folks are (general some folks, not specific) because it falls into some unhealthy stereotypes.

I get your point, but...

This is part of my comment on the subject. 

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Jessi H noted in (I think) a Mormon Stories interview that Jodi H. once told her that Jodi H. being in a relationship with another woman wouldn't be wrong because it would be based on a deeply emotional connection, rather than just being sexual."

My impression, in the context Jessi H.'s comment, is that Jodi H. was saying that any relationship that Jessi H might have with another woman would be purely physical and therefore wrong and immoral, whereas any physical relationship with another woman that Jodi H. might have would be based on a deeply emotional connection and therefore NOT wrong. 

Jodi H subjected Jessi H to emotional, spiritual, psychological and possibly physical torture over being a gay teen for a year, at the same time implying that a relationship with a woman would be be OK for herself, because feelings.  How crazy is that? 

RF allied herself with Jodi H.  It's not a stretch to think about all the ways a very skilled manipulator like Jodi H. could compromise RF.  

This is a snark site. I have no compunctions about wild speculations about any aspect of the relationship between RF and Jodi H. on this particular site and don't feel I'm treading on unhealthy stereotypes to do so, but would be much more circumspect if, for example, posting elsewhere on a forum with different rules. 

If the mods feel differently, I will certainly respect any decision they might make. 

 

 

Edited September 20, 2023 by Howl

[JermajestyDuggar]

Jodi is most definitely rolling in the money. Like I said upthread, her niece said she always gets paid. So if she has some rich clients, they pay big bucks because she charges a lot. And if clients were referred by the LDS church and can’t pay, the church pays her on their behalf. We know the church has billions so they can afford to pay Jodi plenty of money. 

[waltraute]

Does Shari have any communication with her father or are they also estranged?