At least 20 dead, 100 injured at shooting on Las Vegas Strip

[FundieFarmer]

I don't think he would have been met by protesters, simply because the city had other things to do and bigger concerns. When Obama came here after Pulse we had plenty of people who didn't want him here, but I don't recall anybody protesting his arrival. Either they were grateful they came, or they stayed out of his way. Why take time to be angry about something inane when you're already angry about something so, so, so much worse? It certainly isn't that these same people wouldn't protest him under normal circumstances, just that it wasn't the time. 

14 hours ago, OtterRuletheWorld said:

This time the LVMPD, etc, happen to be seeming very capable of dealing with the media.

As far as this goes, large cities who typically deal with the media and media attention– see NYC, Orl, Vegas, etc– are not surprised when the media descends for something. We have learned to bite back to national outlets when they are disrespectful, we tell them to get off our lawn, we tell them to get out because this is our house and our tragedy and they are just tragedy tourists. While they're here, they can do things our way or they can GTFO. If they aren't polite, they lose their story– simple as that. They think they're doing you a favor by getting you press? Ha. I can do with out press being a PITA during a crisis. They need the story and they've spent time and money coming to you and either they get something real or they have to make something up. You're more in control than you think and the big, experienced cities know that. (As you can tell, I have no respect for the media.)

I think the small towns really get kicked in the nuts over this. They get bowled over by the Anderson Coopers (he's actually very respectful) and the Sanjay Guptas (he barely acknowledges anyone other than the stars of his show) and the CNN anchors standing everywhere and they don't know what to do. The media tents come in and set up wherever they want, say whatever they want, and ignore when they're corrected. It's daunting, and unless you can be a voice louder and stronger than they are– or prove you don't give a fuck about them– then you're in trouble. 

[feministxtian]

There was no protest when cheeto showed up here because we have better things to do. And, less than a week after that horrible night, another protest isn't exactly cool. We put up with it and it's little stepford trollop and went on our way. There's still blood to donate, there's a park that's been created in just 4 days, there's 58 crosses at the welcome sign for the 58 victims of that psychopath. We don't give a shit that cheeto showed up. In reality many were pissed that the airport and roads got shut down because of that dolt. But...we don't have time to protest. We're too busy trying to heal. 58 deaths and over 500 injured is a lot to take in. It's still mindboggling. 

So, no, we did not bother to protest the cheeto and his trollop. Why? BECAUSE WE DON'T GIVE A SHIT. WE HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO RIGHT NOW.

The attached map gives a rough idea of where I live and where Mandalay Bay is. It's not exact on either side but damn close. 

[formergothardite]

1 hour ago, OtterRuletheWorld said:

I have a lot to say about Trump, but I don't feel this is the appropriate moment to discuss.

Come join us in the Trump thread! 

[OtterRuletheWorld]

1 hour ago, formergothardite said:

Come join us in the Trump thread! 

Maybe someday, but I really don't have the energy for that one.

Honestly, I have a lot of other things going on in my life right now and am just getting things in a better spot for me. (Things will be okay for me, I don't mean to sound boohoo me with this statement) For me personally, it is really important I try to stay positive right now and Trump threads aren't going to do that. Sorry I can't be more exciting than that. 

[Destiny]

5 minutes ago, OtterRuletheWorld said:

Maybe someday, but I really don't have the energy for that one.

Honestly, I have a lot of other things going on in my life right now and am just getting things in a better spot for me. (Things will be okay for me, I don't mean to sound boohoo me with this statement) For me personally, it is really important I try to stay positive right now and Trump threads aren't going to do that. Sorry I can't be more exciting than that. 

Then, may I suggest that you let it go here? This isn't a useful conversation for this thread. 

[OtterRuletheWorld]

2 hours ago, FundieFarmer said:

I don't think he would have been met by protesters, simply because the city had other things to do and bigger concerns. When Obama came here after Pulse we had plenty of people who didn't want him here, but I don't recall anybody protesting his arrival. Either they were grateful they came, or they stayed out of his way. Why take time to be angry about something inane when you're already angry about something so, so, so much worse? It certainly isn't that these same people wouldn't protest him under normal circumstances, just that it wasn't the time. 

As far as this goes, large cities who typically deal with the media and media attention– see NYC, Orl, Vegas, etc– are not surprised when the media descends for something. We have learned to bite back to national outlets when they are disrespectful, we tell them to get off our lawn, we tell them to get out because this is our house and our tragedy and they are just tragedy tourists. While they're here, they can do things our way or they can GTFO. If they aren't polite, they lose their story– simple as that. They think they're doing you a favor by getting you press? Ha. I can do with out press being a PITA during a crisis. They need the story and they've spent time and money coming to you and either they get something real or they have to make something up. You're more in control than you think and the big, experienced cities know that. (As you can tell, I have no respect for the media.)

I think the small towns really get kicked in the nuts over this. They get bowled over by the Anderson Coopers (he's actually very respectful) and the Sanjay Guptas (he barely acknowledges anyone other than the stars of his show) and the CNN anchors standing everywhere and they don't know what to do. The media tents come in and set up wherever they want, say whatever they want, and ignore when they're corrected. It's daunting, and unless you can be a voice louder and stronger than they are– or prove you don't give a fuck about them– then you're in trouble. 

I didn't mean to say that other cities do not. I just think that given this particular situation, Vegas is really handling this well. The media is getting next to nothing as far as answers go this time around, and Vegas is standing strong, regardless of the media freaking out.

Just now, Destiny said:

Then, may I suggest that you let it go here? This isn't a useful conversation for this thread. 

Absolutely. I didn't mean for it to become that much of a discussion at all. I didn't want to ignore the questions asked of me from other posters in response to my comments. I am really sorry it became what it was.

I do stand by loving all heartwarming stories coming from Vegas. The shooter didn't cause any divide in the city, but seems to have united people. What happened is awful, but we can't go back in time and make it go away, but Vegas being so amazing during all of this gives me hope that people are good. Blood drives, donations, helping one another during the shooting, using your body as a shield and blocking a strangers view of the terror, treating victims with respect and kindness, etc. All of these things are GOOD. The shooter is an asshole and lives were lost, but he did not manage to tear people apart.

[OtterRuletheWorld]

I am currently rolling my eyes about a CNN article. The headline reads something along to lines of "Vegas Shooter took 20 cruises, some to foreign ports."

I have yet to read it, but my first thoughts were "Don't a LOT of cruises go to foreign ports? I would expect someone who went on 20 cruises to have gone to foreign ports."

It seems like another media circus type article, but again, I have yet to read it.

[Destiny]

It seems like another media circus type article, but again, I have yet to read it.

You really should read it before commenting. There’s a reason the locations were relevant.

[OtterRuletheWorld]

5 minutes ago, Destiny said:

You really should read it before commenting. There’s a reason the locations were relevant.

I did end up reading it.  To me, still seems like a lot of speculation. I wonder WHEN he went on these cruises.

[Destiny]

Just now, OtterRuletheWorld said:

I did end up reading it.  To me, still seems like a lot of speculation. I wonder WHEN he went on these cruises.

When you are dealing with terrorism issues, the precipitating event that caused the radicalisation could have been decades ago, so, relevant. 

[OtterRuletheWorld]

Just now, Destiny said:

When you are dealing with terrorism issues, the precipitating event that caused the radicalisation could have been decades ago, so, relevant. 

I agree with you. I am merely wondering when he went on these cruises and which cruises he went on with his girlfriend.

The cruises COULD mean something, or they could mean absolutely nothing. I am now curious, but as said above, in times like this, everything the media says makes me wary.

[formergothardite]

1 hour ago, OtterRuletheWorld said:

Maybe someday, but I really don't have the energy for that one.

Well if you ever have the energy, I do hope you will pop in. I would really like to know why you think all presidents(and that includes Trump) have their blood boil when Americans are attack when it is clear that Trump at least doesn't feel that way. But that is a discussion for that thread, not this one. 

[OtterRuletheWorld]

3 minutes ago, formergothardite said:

Well if you ever have the energy, I do hope you will pop in. I would really like to know why you think all presidents(and that includes Trump) have their blood boil when Americans are attack when it is clear that Trump at least doesn't feel that way. But that is a discussion for that thread, not this one. 

I will keep the thread in mind for sure, but I cannot make any promises I will ever have the energy or use my energy for a Trump thread. My thoughts really aren't that interesting or insightful. I promise.

[Howl]

The shooter going on cruises likely has to do with gambling.  Many cruise ships have casinos and gambling is allowed while at sea (or in ports that allow gambling). This guy made staggering amounts of money off gambling.  

 

[fraurosena]

Powerful poem. 

 

[fraurosena]

My WTF levels are completely off the charts seeing this. 

 

 

[OtterRuletheWorld]

My WTF levels are completely off the charts seeing this. 
 
 

In the US you have to be 18 to purchase a rifle and 21 to purchase a handgun. I am not sure what is going on here, but he cannot legally purchase a gun at age 13.

[dairyfreelife]

On 10/4/2017 at 3:09 PM, FundieFarmer said:

Should I have expected to go through that and have nothing happen? Should I have just shrugged my shoulders and not even hoped? 

I'll make note of that, thanks. I hope you, and no one else here, ever goes through this. My point will make more sense if it ever happens to your loved ones. 

How can you expect anything to have changed when nothing at all has changed? No new laws were put in place. We haven't done anything. The culture of guns and paranoia is so strong. I do believe this will happen again and I worry terribly that we could have worse. Like knowing two trains are going to collide and yelling to stop them, but no one is listening. Perhaps another train can stop them? That's really the logic I keep hearing. We can't expect anything to change if no one does anything to bring change. By no one, am talking about the government, not the people. There's a lot of very tough barriers to break down to make anything happen. Until we do, I don't see much changing and that makes me sick to my stomach to even think about. This will happen again. These mass shootings seem to happen every few weeks. 30 murdered college students didn't bring change. 20 murdered first graders (and 6 adults) weren't enough to bring change. What will be enough? I honestly don't know. Our importance to metal machines over our fellow citizens is beyond sickening. 

BTW, I lived very close to Virginia Tech when the shooting happened. My family and I knew people there at the time. A couple were on the campus. One was in the next building in lock-down. Thank goodness none of them were physically harmed in any way. Psychologically though, no doubt there was harm. But, yeah, actually has happened to people I know. 

@Khan I don't have any words for you except how sorry I am to hear about your loss. My heart breaks for you all. I wish these would stop so much. 

[fraurosena]

It's hard to fathom the utter insensitivity and dismissiveness of this asshole.

Senator who took over $852,000 from NRA: People in mass shootings should just “get small”

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South Dakota Sen. John Thune, like so many of his fellow Republicans, is not interested in talking about real solutions to gun violence, even after the latest horrific mass shooting in Las Vegas.

Instead of being willing to talk about gun safety, his advice to future victims is to “take steps in their own lives to take precautions” and “get small.”

Thune also happens to be one of the biggest beneficiaries of National Rifle Association (NRA) donations, hauling inat least $852,00 to finance his political campaigns over the years.

Before his re-election in 2016, Thune pulled in $5,000 from the NRA.

Thune told MSNBC’s Hallie Jackson that “all of us want to do everything we can” to prevent mass shootings like the one in Las Vegas, but because America is an open society, “it’s going to be hard to prevent anything.”

“I think people are going to have to take steps in their own lives to take precautions,” he continued, “to protect themselves. And in situations like that, you know, try to stay safe. As somebody said — get small.”

In exchange for those donations, Thune has received a rating of “A” from the NRA, voting on its behalf multiple times in Congress.

Thune opposed the background check bill that came up for a vote in the Senate after the Sandy Hook School massacre, joining a group of 41 Republicans who voted against the legislation. Only four Republicans supported it — despite more than 90 percent of American voters supporting it.

Thune voted against background checks again in legislation that came up last year, while also voting against a bill that would have allowed the Department of Justice to ban gun sales to suspected terrorists.

Now, when one of those terrorists decided to attack innocent Americans, Thune’s callous remedy is just an insult to the 59 lives lost in the latest burst of gunfire.

Fuck him. Hard. Preferably with the butt of a rifle. 

[GrumpyGran]

47 minutes ago, fraurosena said:

It's hard to fathom the utter insensitivity and dismissiveness of this asshole.

Senator who took over $852,000 from NRA: People in mass shootings should just “get small”

Fuck him. Hard. Preferably with the butt of a rifle. 

I'd like to see him tell the families of all 59 people that their loved one wasn't small enough. Then I want to see them make him VERY small. About the size of a pea would work.

I watched another show about the massacre this afternoon and have seen on here speculation(?) that he took lots of cruises. It seems this guy traveled a lot. I wonder if this was recent. He supposedly spent around $50,000 on the guns, sent his girlfriend $100,000 and had been on a tear making reservations at other places. Did he not work anymore? How rich was this guy?

He gambled quite a bit and as I don't gamble, I'm confused. My understanding has always been that gambling isn't a good idea because you're not going to really win that much. As a matter of fact my understanding has always been that large casinos aren't thrilled by winners. Seeing as how his very expensive suite was comped, I don't think he was making a fortune at the Mandalay. Winners are also viewed very suspiciously by casinos, right? Because they think you are cheating. The whole set-up is that you lose, they win. If you drop enough, they'll comp you a room, as long as you stay around.

So he's burning through money, lots of it. I just wonder how much he had left.

[fraurosena]

The utter caloussness is breathtaking. 

 

[Fascinated]

1 hour ago, fraurosena said:

It's hard to fathom the utter insensitivity and dismissiveness of this asshole.

Senator who took over $852,000 from NRA: People in mass shootings should just “get small”

Fuck him. Hard. Preferably with the butt of a rifle. 

I upvoted you because I don’t want to penalize you as the messenger of this utter bullshit. I don’t remember reading anything that has made me so angry and perplexed.  Speechless actually. Fuck.

[GrumpyGran]

41 minutes ago, fraurosena said:

The utter caloussness is breathtaking. 

 

How very Duggarish of him. POS.

[Fascinated]

Not sure if any of you have seen, or want to see, this. But it’s interesting. 

 

[Cartmann99]

2 hours ago, GrumpyGran said:

So he's burning through money, lots of it. I just wonder how much he had left.

I've honestly been expecting a news story to come out that he was deeply in debt.