Seventeen - Not the Magazine - Bateseseses Threads!

[sophie10130]

Silly fundies. Everyone knows that all the good dance moves don't need a partner

The running man

Churn butter

And a classic and my perennial favorite: just point at different things to the beat of the music with a very serious expression on your face

And obviously this entire sequence

Spoiler

 

 

[OrchidBlossom]

5 hours ago, nolongerIFBx said:

In the IFBx sect that I grew up in, there was no touching at all before marriage (6 inch rule until the altar), so that was another reason given as to why we should not dance.

That's really interesting. Do you mind me asking which sect? No worries if you don't want to answer. I have heard of people who went full "no touching until marriage" (I have a few friends/acquaintances who practice that or come from families that practice it) but I had never heard of it given as a reason not to dance. It does make twisted fundie sense though, I guess. In as much as they ever make sense.

[mstee]

What I never understood was why you can't dance after you're married? Then if you have lustful thoughts they can be "righteously fulfilled". 

[Arix]

1 hour ago, mstee said:

What I never understood was why you can't dance after you're married? Then if you have lustful thoughts they can be "righteously fulfilled". 

It wouldn't surprise me if you could, but only in the privacy of your bedroom .

[RosyDaisy]

Gee, I have danced, and sex didn't cross my mind all the time. It's something fun to do and can be considered exercise.

[THERetroGamerNY]

I still have never danced. Not for fear of summoning a Succubus or something... I just have no interest.

And I have the feeling my uncorrdinated paleness would be distinctly unsexual.

[JillyO]

13 hours ago, Arix said:

It wouldn't surprise me if you could, but only in the privacy of your bedroom .

Isn't that exactly what Michelle says? That married couples can dance in the privacy of their own bedroom. But you can't dance out in public because that might stir up desires in other people that can't be righteously fulfilled.....

[actuallyjessica]

Isn't that exactly what Michelle says? That married couples can dance in the privacy of their own bedroom. But you can't dance out in public because that might stir up desires in other people that can't be righteously fulfilled.....

If they're putting such sexual emphasis on dancing that they're only doing it in the bedroom, it's likely dancing is a form of foreplay for these fundies.

So in which case, yes it would seem very inappropriate to dance in front of people that are not your spouse.

Makes me think of the times that the fundies are caught slightly swaying or toe tapping to an extent. For regular people, that's probably the equivalent of putting your hand down your pants/your spouses pants and touching yourself/your spouse before "foreplay" progresses any further.

Just thinking about all of that makes my head hurt for the fundies. If they feel that way about something so minor as dancing, imagine how the big wide worldly world feels to them?!

#fundielogic.

[Bye Bye Birdie]

1 hour ago, actuallyjessica said:

If they're putting such sexual emphasis on dancing that they're only doing it in the bedroom, it's likely dancing is a form of foreplay for these fundies.
 

In my head, fundies just don't do any foreplay. The way I see it- the sex is subpar, unless you really really luck out and get an extremely decent guy who has just blocked all the anti-feminist rethoric while growing up. 

 So as for the fundie sex, it's like that joke- Husband rabbit tells his wife ''Don't worry, it won't be long, was it?''

[nausicaa]

2 hours ago, JillyO said:

Isn't that exactly what Michelle says? That married couples can dance in the privacy of their own bedroom. But you can't dance out in public because that might stir up desires in other people that can't be righteously fulfilled.....

But doggie-style humping on a miniature golf course in front of your kids is totes kosher? Okkkaaay Michelle...

[nolongerIFBx]

22 hours ago, OrchidBlossom said:

That's really interesting. Do you mind me asking which sect? No worries if you don't want to answer. I have heard of people who went full "no touching until marriage" (I have a few friends/acquaintances who practice that or come from families that practice it) but I had never heard of it given as a reason not to dance. It does make twisted fundie sense though, I guess. In as much as they ever make sense.

Hyles-Anderson graduates "camp", as opposed to Bob Jones camp or PCC camp or the Rice camp. On the face of it, they all believed the same but they had itty-bitty little idiosyncrasies and loyalties, it would make you  

2 hours ago, actuallyjessica said:

If they're putting such sexual emphasis on dancing that they're only doing it in the bedroom, it's likely dancing is a form of foreplay for these fundies.
 

Insert joke about why fundies don't have sex standing up--- someone might think they're dancing.

2 hours ago, actuallyjessica said:

Makes me think of the times that the fundies are caught slightly swaying or toe tapping to an extent.

Some IFBx churches were okay with Southern Gospel style, toe tapping and clapping and others said if the music made you want to tap your foot then you shouldn't be listening to it. You had to be careful to look around to see what other people, especially the preacher and deacons, were doing before showing any movement! LOL You didn't want to get called to the preacher's office to answer for your ungodly behavior.

[OrchidBlossom]

7 hours ago, JillyO said:

Isn't that exactly what Michelle says? That married couples can dance in the privacy of their own bedroom. But you can't dance out in public because that might stir up desires in other people that can't be righteously fulfilled.....

I always wondered if they danced when they were alone, or if they would be allowed to. I don't remember Michelle saying that but it makes sense that she would (although the logic still lacks sense )

[BeccaGrim]

Did everyone see this?  She wrote a note thanking her supporters but saying she couldn't take all the criticism.  I feel two ways about this, first is sadness that she felt she was being abused.  But, the other part is that she is regularly appearing on the show now and has to get a thicker skin.  Particularly when she isn't properly strapping her daughter in...

[VelociRapture]

2 hours ago, BeccaGrim said:

Did everyone see this?  She wrote a note thanking her supporters but saying she couldn't take all the criticism.  I feel two ways about this, first is sadness that she felt she was being abused.  But, the other part is that she is regularly appearing on the show now and has to get a thicker skin.  Particularly when she isn't properly strapping her daughter in...

We have discussed this I think. My thoughts tend to be:

1. Good for her for not doing something that isn't fun anymore if she doesn't need to do it. I don't blame her for taking a break from her public account due to the comments about her daughter's appearance or speculation regarding whether Allie has autism. No parent, even a Fundie, should have to tolerate that.

2. I do think she needs a thicker skin though. She chose to participate on the show and she chose to have a public account. She doesn't get to reap the rewards while complaining that people are questioning her ability to properly secure her child in a car seat.

3. Finally, I'm glad one less person in this family is sharing publicly online. The less they share the better - they're already too good at appearing like a normal family and they don't need Alyssa posting jeans and sleeveless shirt pictures to help them with that "normal" image. It's bad enough that some people on here are even questioning if she's stil Fundie or not - so the less she shares through Instagram publicly the better.

[backyard sylph]

Not that I was going to follow her anyway, but...

Over the past ten days or so, I watched 6 of 8 United Bates of America episodes, the 3 latest Bringing Up Bateses, read every main thread in this subforum from stem to stern, with pauses for sedatives and what-have-you, looked at a lot of cutesy fundy couple blogs, briefly, and their attending Instagram pages, and then suddenly found myself signing up for Instagram, so I can share cute things, too. So there is the awful influence at work.

I have gathered the following impressions, setting aside obvious "these people are just sheer nutball:"

Gil Bates is probably the Doppelganger of my first boyfriend, if that guy got religion and got just a whole, whole lot of a weird variety of it, which is doubtful, but if he did, this is how he would do, besides then having a stranger for a twin. I forget where I should put the umlaut and am leaving it out. It's like staring in the Fundy Face of What Might Have Been, had I not come to my senses and also gotten to know a really cute boy at work. ::brrr:: I haven't seen him in decades, but I'm sure if I Googled him, this is what I would see.

Josie Bates is becoming super pretty. I like her particular style. I do not know if I have Beyond ATI hopes for her, but her snide behavior toward others speaks well of her to me.

I know it's distressing to some of you, but as to Chad Paine, I will confess to impure thoughts. These thoughts are not borne of "Ooh, he's so sweet and makes crepes." I am twice his age, so these thoughts are merely lustful in nature. I would be a sort of "Mangaian" tutor.

My thoughts that I might share here about these people will probably trend a little positive for the offspring. How can I not want to see them drift toward the middle? But I hope never to be accused of euphemistic witless adoration because of this. That would be tiresome. And I see no redemption for Gil, sadly. I think Kelly is made entirely of cognitive dissonance, though I think we'd probably get along all right over the back fence, only I'm usually in a tank top, so maybe not.

[PennySycamore]

@mstee,  an old neighbor of mine who'd graduated from Bob Jones University said to me once that she felt it was fine for married couple to dance together.  

In the movie Friendly Persuasion about Indiana Quakers during the Civil War, Quaker minister Eliza Birdwell is seen at the county fair tapping her toes to the music.  She was a bit shocked at herself, but not as socked as seeing her teenage daughter dancing with her beau.  She did loosen up over the course of the film though.  She hit a Reb soldier with her broom He was harassing her pet goose. She finally allowed the organ that Jess had bought at the fair to be brought down into the parlor.  It's a great movie with fine performances if you've never seen it.

[Arix]

On 12/07/2016 at 1:38 PM, nolongerIFBx said:

"You didn't want to get called to the preacher's office to answer for your ungodly behavior"

 

Wait, that's actually a thing, not just a flimsy porn premise???

[zadie]

In the episode when Gil was going on and on about how busy John and Alyssa are, did anyone else roll their eyes and think "you only think that cause you drift your way through life, Gil."

Sure, they probably are busy, but they're also far from the only people to ever work two jobs. The way Gil went on and on about it I couldn't help but think about how skewed his concept of work is lol

[Exjw2015deed]

3 minutes ago, zadie said:

In the episode when Gil was going on and on about how busy John and Alyssa are, did anyone else roll their eyes and think "you only think that cause you drift your way through life, Gil."

Sure, they probably are busy, but they're also far from the only people to ever work two jobs. The way Gil went on and on about it I couldn't help but think about how skewed his concept of work is lol

I also found it hilarious how none of the others kids mentioned her working at all.  

@Bye Bye Birdie thank you for your insight. Not to be invasive, but I always got the feeling after they were married Alyssa and Erin had some type of falling out. I mentioned this a couple of threads back, how they seem to be extremely stiff and Alyssa asking "am I allowed to hold Carson" was just strange, especially since carlin and tori, who seem loud as ever, seem to be fine with her, is this just editing?

[RosyDaisy]

Little Callie said it best when she said "we don't like to work". I hope the poor thing didn't get a whipping for that.

[OrchidBlossom]

58 minutes ago, Exjw2015deed said:

I also found it hilarious how none of the others kids mentioned her working at all.  

@Bye Bye Birdie thank you for your insight. Not to be invasive, but I always got the feeling after they were married Alyssa and Erin had some type of falling out. I mentioned this a couple of threads back, how they seem to be extremely stiff and Alyssa asking "am I allowed to hold Carson" was just strange, especially since carlin and tori, who seem loud as ever, seem to be fine with her, is this just editing?

I don't remember that with Carson, it's interesting. I've actually sensed some stiffness with Alyssa and a lot of her siblings, but I always wondered if maybe it was just her being introverted or something and finding all the activity and noise overwhelming. 

[Exjw2015deed]

34 minutes ago, OrchidBlossom said:

I don't remember that with Carson, it's interesting. I've actually sensed some stiffness with Alyssa and a lot of her siblings, but I always wondered if maybe it was just her being introverted or something and finding all the activity and noise overwhelming. 

Yes it was when they went to Dollywood, for season 2 finale I believe. 

[JillyO]

3 hours ago, RosyDaisy said:

Little Callie said it best when she said "we don't like to work". I hope the poor thing didn't get a whipping for that.

You and me both. Callie is my absolute favorite. I hate that she's stuck with these asshole whackadoodles for parents.

[QuiverDance]

I sense tension between all three of the married Bates girls! I have always wondered if they are just a little formal or if they actually have problems keeping it sweet. 

[actuallyjessica]

I sense tension between all three of the married Bates girls! I have always wondered if they are just a little formal or if they actually have problems keeping it sweet. 

I agree. I've mentioned this before but it does seem like Michael thinks she is more Godly than Erin, also maybe jealousy due to Erin getting married and having a family before her... and I'm not sure that is the Godly reason is why Erin doesn't seem to like Alyssa, but it could have something to do with Alyssa having a seemingly perfect pregnancy straight off the bat and Erin was struggling.

Pure speculation, of course.