Josh Duggar Admits Molestation of 5 Juveniles - Part 6

[Buzzard]

New In Touch article--former State Trooper Hutchens (the one in jail for child pornography) refutes Jim Bob's version of events.

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/dugg ... tory-59235

I think it says a lot about the Duggars that I believe a convicted felon (for kiddie porn) more than Boob. I may have to buy the magazine to support the work they've done exposing this case.

[DuggarsTheEndIsNear]

New In Touch article--former State Trooper Hutchens (the one in jail for child pornography) refutes Jim Bob's version of events.

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/dugg ... tory-59235

So, now, are we going to figure out why the investigator didn't follow through and talk to this guy to make sure JB was telling the truth?

[Hera]

In Touch claims he was compensated for the interview. But yeah, I'm with you on the grain of salt. This is one of those things I find very easy to believe while knowing that it might well be bullshit.

I think you meant to type was NOT compensated? In any event, I agree that I find it very easy to believe, but side-eye the source because, yeah, I don't believe for a second that a dude who is in jail for kiddie porn lost a whole lot of sleep over not reporting Josh to the authorities. On the other hand, though, what does this guy have to gain by lying about what he was told? In either version, he still didn't report sexual abuse of minors and it's not like he's got his career to worry about or anything.

[SnazzyNazzy]

In Touch claims he was compensated for the interview. But yeah, I'm with you on the grain of salt. This is one of those things I find very easy to believe while knowing that it might well be bullshit.

Not to mention, he has had 9 YEARS to say something, if he felt that bad.

[halcionne]

Sorry to hijack a thread but someone just mentioned Mike Seewald's Prison Ministry and I am trying to connect some dots for research and I am having a difficult time with googlefuing exactly what info is out there on this.

Can someone please provide me what they know or even have heard about that.

Is he affiliated with a specific organization that does this? Does anyone know the name?

Thank you.

It's Mike Keller, not Mike Seewald. It's more IBLP bullshit out of Florida. Dr. Paine is involved in IBLP 'prison ministry' too, but idk if they're one and the same.

[lascuba]

I think you meant to type was NOT compensated? In any event, I agree that I find it very easy to believe, but side-eye the source because, yeah, I don't believe for a second that a dude who is in jail for kiddie porn lost a whole lot of sleep over not reporting Josh to the authorities. On the other hand, though, what does this guy have to gain by lying about what he was told? In either version, he still didn't report sexual abuse of minors and it's not like he's got his career to worry about or anything.

Yes, I edited. That's what I get for never proofreading. :angry-banghead:

[DuggarsTheEndIsNear]

Looks like someone needed commissary money...

In all seriousness, I'm taking what he says with a grain of salt. He is in prison for 56 years, because of kiddie porn for goodness sakes. I have a hard time believing that someone into THAT, loses sleep over not reporting child molestation.

It depends. We don't even understand how he feels about his actions regarding his own problems. And, just because you act inappropriately doesn't mean that you're going to want others to follow in your shoes or that you're not going to feel guilty about not stopping someone from making similar choices as you did.

[mpheels]

This seems like a good way to organize some of my thoughts, so here goes...

1) Was there a "heads up" for Josh and Anna, and thus their families?

Watching the behind the scenes and Digging episodes, I have to wonder. There was a certain sense of finality to it. It felt like the season finale of a show that may not be renewed. I don't think they knew it was going to break exactly when and how it did, but I suspect they had an inkling.

2) Did TLC know?

I can't fathom any scenario in which they didn't know. At the very least, Oprah/Harpo would have contacted them. I also can't/don't believe that the anonymous source who contacted Oprah/Harpo wouldn't have also contacted TLC and/or Figure8. Plus there were years of speculation and rumors - certainly the TLC publicists heard those murmurings, and either investigated or chose to ignore.

3) Did the Kellers and Anna really know what Josh had done, when Pa Keller hand-picked him for Anna?

I don't know. The idea that Mr. Keller is in the business of forgiveness makes sense to me, but I can also see the Duggars disclosing the general details (i.e. Josh touched girls) without the specifics (the girls were his sisters). I also don't know that the Duggars themselves would have to tell the story - I get the sense that the ordeal was well known within their circle because of Josh's confessiong in front of church elders and the involvement of a girl from outside the Duggar household. I think people are not fully understanding how powerful the forgiveness concept is in this group - it isn't a cover to say that Josh repented and was forgiven. The entire foundation of their belief system is based on the idea that all sins are forgiven for those who repent, and I think they truly and deeply beleive that Josh repented and was forgiven, therefore there is nothing else to do. As hard as it is for non-Christians and even mainstream Christians to believe, I don't think Josh would be the pariah we expect him to be.

4) Are the Kellers and/or the Seewalds truly supportive?

I think Anna's parents are truly supportive, either because they truly believe Josh is repentant and forgive, or to save face because they push their daughter into this circus. I think Michael Seewald is trying to rationalize the differences between his Calvinist beliefs and the Duggars beliefs regarding free will. As much as I think the Kellers probably knew, I think the Seewalds were completely blindsided.

5) Will the "show go on" in some form or another?

I can't see a show with Jim Bob, Michelle, and/or Josh continuing. I can see new shows with selected Duggars outside of NW AR if they choose to do something interesting with their lives that is believable their choice. The Dillards' life traveling the world as missionaries. Jana, Jinger and Joy living in Nashville and learning how to function on their own (Breaking Amish meets Unbreakbale Kimmy Schmidt). Josiah and Margery open a Christian theater company. If this is something any of the kids want to pursue, I don't think TLC is the right venue.

[Hera]

I think it says a lot about the Duggars that I believe a convicted felon (for kiddie porn) more than Boob. I may have to buy the magazine to support the work they've done exposing this case.

If you'd told me last week that I'd agree with the bolded sentence, I'd have laughed. As awful as the Boob is, I never thought he'd cover up the molestation of his own daughters. Now, there's nothing that I wouldn't believe the man would do.

[SassyPants]

As for as speculation goes, I'm just going to say that the media picking up on rumors posted here and running with it is a an asinine reason for not speculating. Saying that certain speculations are silly, stupid, what have you--that's legitimate, because there's some off-the-wall shit that gets posted. Holding this board responsible for the actions of supposed professional writers who should goddamn know better...THAT is stupid. That's giving FJ way too much importance (like the, "we should't say mean things about them because if they read here that would discourage them leaving fundamentalism" argument. Come on, now.) Oh, and since apparently people can't let shit go, I stand by my comments about Jill. But I rank homebirthers pretty closely to anti-vaxxers, so...

It's really the seeking of fame after it happened that really bothers me. Don't get wrong, the abuse was abhorrent, and 95% of my sympathy is reserved for the victims, but as someone who can't begin to imagine what it must be like to have one child abuse your other children, I can sympathize with parents in that situation as well as the 14 year old abuser who should have received comprehensive help and, frankly, shouldn't have even grown up in such an environment where real help isn't considered a viable option because of their religious beliefs. If there had never been a tv show or involvement in politics, I would be of the mind that the media should tone it down and that people shouldn't harp on the family so much since Josh was only 14. The fame and the politics change everything.

As for the bolded, I think it's important to talk about all aspects of this while acknowledging that victims aren't a monolith and that their feelings for their abusers are often very complicated. What people should NOT do is contact them to tell them what they think, and I'm appalled at the people who commented on Jill's and Jessa's instagrams and really uncomfortable with any plans people here have to write to them.

Agree

[formergothardite]

I think it says a lot about the Duggars that I believe a convicted felon (for kiddie porn) more than Boob. I may have to buy the magazine to support the work they've done exposing this case.

Same for me. He could be lying, but I really wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't.

[DuggarsTheEndIsNear]

Not to mention, he has had 9 YEARS to say something, if he felt that bad.

No he didn't. He thought there was one instance. It wasn't until last week that there was evidence of more brought to his attention.

[lascuba]

It depends. We don't even understand how he feels about his actions regarding his own problems. And, just because you act inappropriately doesn't mean that you're going to want others to follow in your shoes or that you're not going to feel guilty about not stopping someone from making similar choices as you did.

Also, people are weird about the rules they make for themselves about right and wrong. I haven't read the details about his crimes, but it could be that he sees his watching and distributing child porn to be a much lesser crime that molesting children. I've known of abusers who draw a line at abusing family members. Everyone else is fair game, but tell them someone abused their child/sister/niece, and they're completely appalled.

[Buzzard]

Same for me. He could be lying, but I really wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't.

Dear media,

Please get a copy of the indictment and plea transcript and figure out just what type of kiddie porn he had. I'm really hoping its not actual children.

THEN see if arkansas law will allow you to get his prison call recordings. I'm quite interested in what was said in the past week.

THANKS!

[OkToBeTakei]

Same for me. He could be lying, but I really wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't.

I suppose you could ask what is he going to gain from commenting. Reduced sentence? Nope. Money? Nope. Moment of fame? Why would he want that.

Who knows. Also it is a situation of word....nothing formal.

[ApologistsBeDamned]

This hasn't been posted yet in this thread, but several commenters have asked why more attention isn't being paid to the physical discipline in the Duggar home:

defamer.gawker.com/police-report-reveals-the-duggar-discipline-method-th-1707154965?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

I'm glad the link between the Duggars and the Pearls is getting more attention now.

If want to take down this family we need to get more attention on the way the parents dealt with this tagedy.

I have a feeling the general media is being slow to pick up on the angle that JB and Michelle are more horrible than just some Bible Thumping parents.

TLC might be able to resurrect this show in some form if people feel evryone else in the family shouldnt be punished for what one did if the public doesnt understand that this entire family is corrupt.

Even Jessa and Jill and shouldn't be given their own show because they are now married adult who subscribe to this hate filled hypocritical way of life.

And you know a great many people want to write this off as an attack on good christian people and I worried TLC will capitalize on this and keep the show.

[blessalessi]

I'm choking on the irony though that, as a Christian, the kiddie porn man would have felt honour bound to take matters further for Josh, if he'd known more. :?

[happy atheist]

Dear media,

Please get a copy of the indictment and plea transcript and figure out just what type of kiddie porn he had. I'm really hoping its not actual children.

THEN see if arkansas law will allow you to get his prison call recordings. I'm quite interested in what was said in the past week.

THANKS!

Jezebel already has some info about this:

http://jezebel.com/court-records-reveal ... 1707192733

An investigation found that Hutchens’ child porn habit never truly ceased. According to court records, Hutchens’ Yahoo profile screen name was “dadsluv2002”; under his interests, Hutchens listed “Strangers With Candy,” “Kinki Kids,” “Child Play series,” “Puberty,” and “Pre School.” Court papers also show that Hutchens was in possession of pictures depicting pubescent girls engaging in oral and vaginal sex. Child porn was also found on the county-owned computer Hutchens used for work. During his police interview, Hutchens admitted that he masturbated to pictures of young girls ages 2 to 3 and 12 to 13.

[Special friend]

Jessa´s Side Eye wrote:

I don't think age has anything to do with the respect. If you are respectful, you will get that back. I don't care if someone is 100. If they are rude, then I'm going to be offended. Especially when I haven't done anything to deserve it.

I am from a continent that values people talking to each other kindly. You'll have noticed I have only spoken to you in that manner, but because of where you live you think it's okay to belittle and hurt other people in the name of honesty.

I don't mind chalking this up to a cultural difference. I would appreciate you avoiding my posts, and refraining from commenting on them and I will do likewise.

Brought this over from the last thread. I just wanted to say that I always admire when people stay respectful, even though they are being attacked! (In real life or on a blog.)

(hug)

[ApologistsBeDamned]

I do wonder about how the house was run in the earlier years vs what has been shown since 2005. I would not say that the younger children are instantly obedient or overly disciplined. Running, jumping, pogo sticking in the house, walking on counters are behaviors I would not have tolerated, particularly when you know the Duggars live on a large parcel of land. It seems like there was lots of idle time in that home.

I know over a decade ago the kids in public were seen as overall fairly polite but inquisitive like all kids. But there were comments on their table manners. People who saw them eating in public would say they were messy, loud, squirmy and such while eating.

Which I was raised to sit still, eat your dinner and don't bother fellow diners with your loud mouth.

[Bunnybutts]

First post, just got this alert on my phone:

http://www.people.com/article/19-kids-c ... gar-family

Article saying a spinoff is in the works

[ApologistsBeDamned]

It's Mike Keller, not Mike Seewald. It's more IBLP bullshit out of Florida. Dr. Paine is involved in IBLP 'prison ministry' too, but idk if they're one and the same.

Sorry, I had a brain fart. No wonder I couldn't find anything on Ben's father.

Okay thanks. I had the Keller info allready. I thought maybe we had yet another inbred connecton to Gothard I didn't know.

Thank you for setting me straight.

[PlaidFrumper]

A search here for Hobby Lobby only returned the information that the 'rehab center' Josh was remodeling for punishment had been donated by them so hopefully this isn't a repeated link. This article asserts that the land for the Big Sandy retreats was sold to Gothard by Hobby Lobby founder David Green's family for $10.00. They also claim that Hobby Lobby's owners "fully support and heavily fund" IBLP.

Some interesting information in here about ATI, etc. Some was news to me and some/most is old news. Interesting the soo the tangled web of connections that are coming out as more and more people dig into the 'movement'.

politicususa.com/2015/05/26/hobby-lobby-funds-christian-counseling-homeschool-program-embraced-duggars.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politicus+USA+%29

[Arrowoftruth]

First post, just got this alert on my phone:

http://www.people.com/article/19-kids-c ... gar-family

Article saying a spinoff is in the works

Agh I don't think they are interesting enough for that to happen. If it was the five oldest girls then I would as long as the money goes to them solely. I'd love for it to be about the unmarried girls moving out and getting an apartment in the nearest big city and pursuing education or starting a business as well as dating normally with Jessa and Jill on the side.

[HarleyQuinn]

If you'd told me last week that I'd agree with the bolded sentence, I'd have laughed. As awful as the Boob is, I never thought he'd cover up the molestation of his own daughters. Now, there's nothing that I wouldn't believe the man would do.

Same here, and like Buzzard said, it's sad that I believe this felon over Boob. Of course he'd have Josh lie to the police officer so it doesn't seem "that bad." I wonder how he justified it? "Well son, we only have to tell him about that one time. He'll get the point"