Daughters And Disney - Merge

[ViolaSebastian]

I find it hard to believe that any attorney would be so astoundingly ignorant as to use the term mental illness in the way FreeFundies has.

ETA: Or not know the difference between 'your' and 'you're.'

[Freefundies]

We dictate 90% of the time and forward docs to secretaries for corrections. We do have to bill for our time so correcting all errors on legal docs is left to secretaries. As for my typing it is what it is.

[DGayle]

blah blah blah

Troll harder. Also learn board formatting. This mess is very hard to read. Let me see if I can pull some stuff out of it.

Gayle, once again, I agree curiosity is normal growing up but taking and sharing naked pictures is criminally Illegal. Not everyone wants to view you son or daughter naked and that is their right but if you child sends them a racy photo and doesn't advise them and they open it and feel it is wrong they are within their rights to handle it as such because it is what it is.

The boy wanted the picture. We know that because he didn't delete it. He kept it. If someone other than the intended recipient sees it, then too bad. Either that person was snooping, or the recipient chose to let someone else see it and is the person who didn't disclose it. If an adult finds it and saves it, the problem is the adult. You are advocating holding kids responsible for what adults do.

What I think it showing mental illness is the inability to realize that the parent can stop the child from creating Child Porn. As for the pedestal, the nation has placed that pedestal their to protect those that don't wish to see it and haven't been given a choice in the matter.

I think it's pretty clear you don't have kids if you seriously think that there's a 100% surefire way of making sure a teen never ever takes a picture of their bodies short of locking you kid in their room with bars on the windows. It's not mental illness to realize this. Your last sentence makes no sense. Lawyers need to make sense. Their clients' futures rely on lawyers making sense.

Nope, must refer to the experts at Psy. Today as he/her have more of a chance at becoming pregnant young than not (boys are 77% likely to knock someone up (so over 2/3rds, and girls 60+%, just under 2/3rds). I don't shame her for taking the picture although I would highly advise against it for future purposes for certain jobs. What I object to is sharing the photo. That is the illegal part.

What the hell are you smoking that you misread anything as saying that 77% of teen boys knock somebody up, and 60% of girls get pregnant?

You're shaming her. You're holding the boy WHO WANTED IT to be a victim of the girl.

Wow Gayle, your seem perfectly okay with the Duggar family marrying off kids so young.

You really need to read more. I'm VERY vocal about how WRONG it is to be marrying off kids. If anything, I'm think I'm harder on people cheering on even 18-year-olds getting married. I'm not sure where you get the idea that I support anybody marrying off kids.

However, teen pregnancy is a problem in this country and there are a ton of articles about that as well. I only wish that most teen moms turned out this way http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/16/opini ... .html?_r=0 but the numbers don't support that conclusion.

Even with cell phones and sexting, the teen pregnancy rate has been going down.

http://www.hhs.gov/ash/oah/adolescent-h ... rends.html

(image from the hhs.gov page, uploaded to imgur so I could shrink it down to fit here)

Hm. Look at that. The pregnancy rate that you say is so bad nosedived when cell phones became more common. Interesting.

[ViolaSebastian]

We dictate 90% of the time and forward docs to secretaries for corrections. We do have to bill for our time so correcting all errors on legal docs is left to secretaries. As for my typing it is what it is.

Yeah, you didn't have a secretary to get you through undergraduate or professional school. How did you manage those with your piss poor grammar and spelling?

[DGayle]

I am one and fight all the time for others. Something you can only dream on this board.

Prove it. Contact an admit. Send copies of your ID. Let them vet you. Your info won't be shared on this board.

See, no real lawyer would be trying to be an internet lawyer like you, and any lawyer would know not to try to give legal advice without a clear disclaimer. Instead of disclaiming, you're stomping your feet screaming that you are too a lawyer, and you know better than the rest of us, behaving in a way unbecoming to the profession.

[DGayle]

Well Gayle, usually when grumpy gramps gets kicked out of a facility for his abusive behavior I'll make sure to send him to your nutty home next where I'm sure your child porn sharing children will love to show them the Art they've created. Oh by the way when he comes it is a one way ticket with no returns. Congrats and good luck.

I come from a family with geriatrics nurses. In geriatrics facilities, they have measures in place to mitigate the risk of harm. Verbally swearing or flipping the bird isn't any big deal at all. The last facility my mother worked at (and I was a volunteer) had a man, a very big, tall man, who liked to hit, and he had AIDS. He wasn't sent anywhere since geriatrics facilities are where these residents are sent for long-term care. To protect people, the facility hired strong male orderlies who could contain him. When a smaller nurse needed to attend to him, an orderly went with. Want to know how his AIDS matters? Because he would sometimes try to grab the hand holding a needle after he got his insulin, and try to stab the person who gave it to him.

That man wasn't sent away.

What makes you think any facility would send your grandpa away for swearing?

[formergothardite]

Does FreeFundie remind anyone of another troll? I can't remember the name just the claim to be a lawyer/doctor/something or another while having absolutely no reading comprehension skills. Grammar and spelling mistakes can be overlooked, but I find it hard to believe that a lawyer would have such a poor ability to comprehend what is being written. I also find it hard to believe that a lawyer would admit to assaulting an elderly person.

[DGayle]

I don't know who you're thinking, FG, but I also find it hard to believe that any lawyer so dedicated to pounding in favor of laws that brand teens as sex offenders for taking pictures of their own chests to send to a peer that wants them would be too dense to see hitting an elderly person for cussing for the elder abuse crime it is.

[FundieFarmer]

Fundiefarmer, I started the separate thread as sort of a PSA (Public Service Announcement) regarding a very bad issue in what constitutes child porn and how it is taken and handled in the courts. As I was reading Disneydaug. thread I found Trynn's post so egregious that I started a new thread to discuss same as this is an up can coming issue in the todays world and will only continue to do so in the future. I was hoping that more parents would come to honest hold a discussion about this subject but it seems as though parents want to turn a blind eye to the subject and act as if it is normal when it is the complete opposite. Parents in the end are responsible for their kids and by not teaching them right from wrong especially what is Illegal you are only leading them down a path to get them into trouble later on.

I know for a fact, especially in big law offices, a full and complete background check will be done on you as well as domain sites, FB, Twitter, etc. You will be profiled. All Large companies do this now. You are judged by what your content is. If you show yourself in certain situations you will not get those jobs. The attorneys will never discuss that with you but it is a fact. Everything that is put on social media becomes you next employers profiling method in your life. People now have to deal with this issue and more so for their kids.

I have to say fundiefarmer that you said it best, I expected too much of the people on this board. Parents are deeply daft in their denial but you proved it youself but your own post. You witnessed porn at the college level and knew how it was received and mocked and that many of those people had to wait out the embarrassment. However, when child porn goes out the younger ones are going to get hit harder with it and the parents need to own those actions because if they are presented in court that is the only option.

I actually said I've seen it at all stages of life, starting in middle school. Each time it's played out the same way.

ET tame my tongue. Anyway, thank you for this NUTS exchange, I have been laughing all night. I sure hope you're a troll. You turn tail and go focus on making your grandfather's last years on earth enjoyable. Good heavens, you are something else.

[Freefundies]

I come from a family with geriatrics nurses. In geriatrics facilities, they have measures in place to mitigate the risk of harm. Verbally swearing or flipping the bird isn't any big deal at all. The last facility my mother worked at (and I was a volunteer) had a man, a very big, tall man, who liked to hit, and he had AIDS. He wasn't sent anywhere since geriatrics facilities are where these residents are sent for long-term care. To protect people, the facility hired strong male orderlies who could contain him. When a smaller nurse needed to attend to him, an orderly went with. Want to know how his AIDS matters? Because he would sometimes try to grab the hand holding a needle after he got his insulin, and try to stab the person who gave it to him.

That man wasn't sent away.

What makes you think any facility would send your grandpa away for swearing?

Not all facilities keep bad patients. My grandps is very much in line with the man you described asans the HIV. Not everybody wants to deal with that and he has been asked also not to go back to certain doctors as well due to behavior. It happens and has been happening for years. I also have geriatric nurses in the family and he has also gone through the round of drugs prescribed but has so many adverse effects to them (with other meds and current health issues) that he can't take them long. We have endured nearly 8 long years of this so whenever you want him, we will ship him there.

[Freefundies]

Does FreeFundie remind anyone of another troll? I can't remember the name just the claim to be a lawyer/doctor/something or another while having absolutely no reading comprehension skills. Grammar and spelling mistakes can be overlooked, but I find it hard to believe that a lawyer would have such a poor ability to comprehend what is being written. I also find it hard to believe that a lawyer would admit to assaulting an elderly person.

This is typical in the industry. https://noustuff.wordpress.com/2011/02/ ... ndwriting/. You should see when attorneys have Med. Mal cases to address it becomes quite funny. As to trolling well all you folks can just add your name right on in the lot.

[formergothardite]

This is typical in the industry. https://noustuff.wordpress.com/2011/02/ ... ndwriting/. You should see when attorneys have Med. Mal cases to address it becomes quite funny. As to trolling well all you folks can just add your name right on in the lot.

That was about poor handwriting, not being able to comprehend what someone has clearly written. What I am talking about is like how you didn't pick up that the 75 post rule was meant for posters like you. Or you aren't understanding that people are acknowledging that there are laws, they don't agree with those laws. Or that DGayle wasn't in favor of teen marriages. You are reading things you just aren't comprehending what people are saying. THAT is what I find hard to believe in a lawyer. You have really poor reading comprehension skills.

[OkToBeTakei]

Not to mention the awesome debating skills when baited.... Very lawyerly : lol:

[Freefundies]

I am perfectly comprehending what is being said but the acknowledgement of those posting is coming across as ooh this law shouldn't be but those laws ARE.

In a previous post I noted that if you travel to Greece or many Eastern European countries there is a complete lack of laws there dealing with child porn and what is acceptable. For instance, Greece is a beautiful country but one thing you'll notice walking around Athens (especially streets leading to the Accropolis (this was in late 1990's) is that nearly all the local vendors and many that had shops displayed to the public filthy naked pictures of women and children - FILTHY and many in sexual acts. So you stop off to get Greece's version of a Gelatto ( from something that looks like a hotdog cart in NYC) and there are 10-15 naked photos lining the cart glass. These types of photos were found all over the city in the windows out front. It was truly disgusting to see a place with so much rich cultural heritage and advertising openly this type of smut. Now let's say you take a trip to Greece and you see your daughters naked photo advertised on the window of a cart, How would you feel? This is what this community doesn't want to acknowledge. When I mentioned the Dark web (ala calling it the Black Web) that was recently announced on the news with a ton of bad things in affiliation. Now I was cooking dinner for my family after working at the time I heard the story so please excuse me I didn't get the name of the web straight. However, even though there are good things that get promoted on the dark web as usual the bad things come along with it and what was passed was that child porn and trafficking was a big issue. People today put to much info on the internet, especially those things that can hurt them later (naked pics). I don't care that kids experiment or are curious, what I do care about for all involved is advising both parent and child that by allowing that behavior you are leading yourself into a doorway you can't control and one that has serious consequences. Now imiagine your back in Greece and your daughters naked photo is there for all to view because someone downloaded it off the web. How do you feel?

Arthur Schopenhauer was quoted saying "All Truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." This application certainly applies to all the responses posted. Either way the truth still is Child Porn is Illegal.

PS I did pick up the 75 post rule. However that rule didn't come into existence until after I had done my first 2 post which were not topics already covered. That was the confusing part as to why the next day I couldn't post so I went through a ton of threads to reach the required and obviously comprehended all those post in between. However, free speech is confined curiously on a snarky post board because when I make an attempt to post something different not included in another thread by topic name it gets merged in. Thereby this poor person who posted this topic had their post snatched. What is the purpose of having a topic head at all especially since people want to snatch the topic to another.

If the spelling is off I don't care it's a freaking snarky forum.

[Palimpsest]

You can gently lead horses to water but ...

Aw, come on now. This is getting ridiculous. Enough is enough (and this is probably reason #200039 why I will never be a mod.)

I'm going with a gentle but perky spring green. What colors are others painting their toe nails?

:lol:

[nelliebelle1197]

I am quite capable of defending myself and have many an opportunity to do so at Court. So take your hits they mean nothing to me.

I have never heard of a decent lawyer doing the following things:

Slapping her grandfather for saying a word she did not like

Advise people that there is a "formula" to get out of jury duty

Calling herself a "degreed legal professional"

Saying "at court" instead of "in court" in reference to appearing in court

I am going message a friend of mine who is barred in LA (Tulane grad) and practiced in NOLA for 20 odd years to see how hard the bar is in LA. Perhaps coherent, organized thought is not required?

[formergothardite]

You can gently lead horses to water but ...

Aw, come on now. This is getting ridiculous. Enough is enough (and this is probably reason #200039 why I will never be a mod.)

I'm going with a gentle but perky spring green. What colors are others painting their toe nails?

:lol:

I give up with you. :lol: I don't paint my nails but I did plant a spring garden and my dogs went and dug it up. Any hints on getting hard headed, elderly JRT from digging? They could have dug anywhere else! But noooooo they had to go dig up the garden I planted in my one tiny sunny spot. :pull-hair:

[nelliebelle1197]

This is typical in the industry. https://noustuff.wordpress.com/2011/02/ ... ndwriting/. You should see when attorneys have Med. Mal cases to address it becomes quite funny. As to trolling well all you folks can just add your name right on in the lot.

And lawyers NEVER call the legal profession an industry. The law is not an industry; it is, in fact, like medicine, a PROFESSION. There is quite a distinction and it's a point of pride.

[OkToBeTakei]

Oh man another ignorant tourist. I think she is talking about glamour mags and Page 3 commonly found in Europe.

Palimpsest you are right. It's actually pretty sad to engage such ignorance.

No nails for me, work does not permit :(

That's my real job my fake Internet persona a la free fundies is sporting a neurosurgeon blood red gloss!!!!

[dairyfreelife]

Just read this entire thread and all I have to say is...The fuck thread did I just read?! :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: (One WTF smilie wasn't enough)

[nelliebelle1197]

We dictate 90% of the time and forward docs to secretaries for corrections. We do have to bill for our time so correcting all errors on legal docs is left to secretaries. As for my typing it is what it is.

Where do you work that you actually dictate and have secretaries? No one who isn't a 300 year old equity partner at an AMLAW 100 firm does that.NO ONE. Most Big Law firms now have 6 to 8 lawyer to support ratio, with most of that support going to senior partners. Smaller firms certainly can't afford secretaries to take DICTATION and where in the world is a secretary trusted to finish a product for an attorney? I mean, a highly qualified paralegal might do demand letters or a pro forma modification or do basic family law forms, but huh? So you actually dictate briefs or answers and pay someone to finish the product before it is filed? What universe are you in?also

Um, paralegals and legal assistants are billed out as well. Most bankruptcy filings give you a good idea of the billables on those.

[DaffyDill]

I am perfectly comprehending what is being said but the acknowledgement of those posting is coming across as ooh this law shouldn't be but those laws ARE.

In a previous post I noted that if you travel to Greece or many Eastern European countries there is a complete lack of laws there dealing with child porn and what is acceptable. For instance, Greece is a beautiful country but one thing you'll notice walking around Athens (especially streets leading to the Accropolis (this was in late 1990's) is that nearly all the local vendors and many that had shops displayed to the public filthy naked pictures of women and children - FILTHY and many in sexual acts. So you stop off to get Greece's version of a Gelatto ( from something that looks like a hotdog cart in NYC) and there are 10-15 naked photos lining the cart glass. These types of photos were found all over the city in the windows out front. It was truly disgusting to see a place with so much rich cultural heritage and advertising openly this type of smut. Now let's say you take a trip to Greece and you see your daughters naked photo advertised on the window of a cart, How would you feel? This is what this community doesn't want to acknowledge. When I mentioned the Dark web (ala calling it the Black Web) that was recently announced on the news with a ton of bad things in affiliation. Now I was cooking dinner for my family after working at the time I heard the story so please excuse me I didn't get the name of the web straight. However, even though there are good things that get promoted on the dark web as usual the bad things come along with it and what was passed was that child porn and trafficking was a big issue. People today put to much info on the internet, especially those things that can hurt them later (naked pics). I don't care that kids experiment or are curious, what I do care about for all involved is advising both parent and child that by allowing that behavior you are leading yourself into a doorway you can't control and one that has serious consequences. Now imiagine your back in Greece and your daughters naked photo is there for all to view because someone downloaded it off the web. How do you feel?

Arthur Schopenhauer was quoted saying "All Truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." This application certainly applies to all the responses posted. Either way the truth still is Child Porn is Illegal.

PS I did pick up the 75 post rule. However that rule didn't come into existence until after I had done my first 2 post which were not topics already covered. That was the confusing part as to why the next day I couldn't post so I went through a ton of threads to reach the required and obviously comprehended all those post in between. However, free speech is confined curiously on a snarky post board because when I make an attempt to post something different not included in another thread by topic name it gets merged in. Thereby this poor person who posted this topic had their post snatched. What is the purpose of having a topic head at all especially since people want to snatch the topic to another.

If the spelling is off I don't care it's a freaking snarky forum.

Well we are extremely lucky, and no doubt unworthy to have such a wondrous purveyor of the Truth amongst us.

Child porn is illegal. Really?? Is it??

Do you really think we are all so ignorant we don't know that?

Seriously, enough already. You are really just flogging a dead horse and making yourself look ridiculous the more strident you become. You are not going to educate anyone here as it's becoming increasingly difficult to understand what you are trying to say - not due to anyones lack of reading comprehension, but your increasingly hysterical arguments.

Get over yourself, and get a handle on the board culture here before running off at the mouth again.

[Freefundies]

Where do you work that you actually dictate and have secretaries? No one who isn't a 300 year old equity partner at an AMLAW 100 firm does that.NO ONE. Most Big Law firms now have 6 to 8 lawyer to support ratio, with most of that support going to senior partners. Smaller firms certainly can't afford secretaries to take DICTATION and where in the world is a secretary trusted to finish a product for an attorney? I mean, a highly qualified paralegal might do demand letters or a pro forma modification or do basic family law forms, but huh? So you actually dictate briefs or answers and pay someone to finish the product before it is filed? What universe are you in?also

Um, paralegals and legal assistants are billed out as well. Most bankruptcy filings give you a good idea of the billables on those.

Sorry to inform that there still are firms that have secretaries to actually finish the product. Not all firms have the 6/8 ration. Most in my area have a 3/1 ratio and I know a few that do have less. Not to mention you always have students around who need to get familiar with forms in general. I don't do the oral dictation through old type Dictaphone but through software programs but we are all aware spelling isn't correct fully in that stage and when I am going along I don't do revision until the end as it breaks train of thought. Para's, students, and secretaries all know basic forms and can bill for them and it depends on how the firm chooses to handle those type billings in the end. There are so many 3rd party payees reviewing/slashing bills today that it is hard for para's and students to sometimes find enough billing so some firms will allow them to produce the basics and bill under the attorney but atty always has to sign off on docs. That's the way it is.

[Freefundies]

Well we are extremely lucky, and no doubt unworthy to have such a wondrous purveyor of the Truth amongst us.

Child porn is illegal. Really?? Is it??

Do you really think we are all so ignorant we don't know that?

Seriously, enough already. You are really just flogging a dead horse and making yourself look ridiculous the more strident you become. You are not going to educate anyone here as it's becoming increasingly difficult to understand what you are trying to say - not due to anyones lack of reading comprehension, but your increasingly hysterical arguments.

Get over yourself, and get a handle on the board culture here before running off at the mouth again.

I've been over myself for quite some time but right back at ya.

[nelliebelle1197]

Isn't AreteJo Greek? Or am I confusing her with someone else? We do have at least one person of Greek heritage on here who might like to defend Greece.

Or I can:

Greece directly outlawed child porn in 2002 but followed UN protocol in combating exploitation of children in the decade before

http://www.loc.gov/law/help/child-rights/greece.php

Just a quick scan of Greek law shows ever toughening and widening laws against the sexual exploitation of children in the last decade.

The US did not have federal child pornography laws on the books until 1977. But that only covered for profit distribution. Only 19 states outlawed POSSESSION of child pornography by 1990. Congress really only started criminalizing possession of child porn in the last 20 years.

A good lawyer would have research such statements about child porn and understood the evolution of the laws if she wanted to make a point.

Just sayin'.