Daughters And Disney - Merge

[DaffyDill]

I've been over myself for quite some time but right back at ya.

Somehow I doubt that very much. Oh and PLEASE use the quote function properly - you are really making a hash of your posts and making them even even harder to read...if that's possible.

[Maggie Mae]

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I don't "do" nail polish, but I'll just leave this here:

So anyway, yesterday I participated in a bike race. One of the things I REALLY love about this place I live is how accessible physical activity is. Yeah, its cold for much of the year, but you can do just about anything with the right gear. And we have so many events that are "women friendly" as in, you are encouraged to bring children, everyone is super friendly and supportive of all levels of fitness, and getting outside and doing anything is encouraged.

Unfortunately, we have a run off election scheduled for tomorrow and the main conservative candidate is channeling another dingbat from this state and actually has a chance of winning if people don't get out and vote. And she is likely to slash the budget even more than her predecessor. Who was really, really bad at his job.

[BrownieMomma]

So I have a little bit of something interesting to share...

This evening, whilst being forced to watch the Duggar birth special (Anna had no real midwives? did I really see that?) I ever so casually asked the 15yo daughter if it is normal for 13yo girls to send topless photos of themselves around.

And she said YES, in this day, that is normal. She said it is limited to girls that age, anyone younger is too young and anyone older is over it or understands better what a bad idea it is.

She was that age when she admitted to me that she snapchatted one to a boy, and not a very nice boy but the kind of boy who likes to brag to all and sundry about his various exploits, and these days, on social media. The kind of boy whose parents were not accessible when I tried to find them.

This is one of the lowest parenting moments I've ever had. It was just horrible and I did not even get to see the photo. This was when I took my daughter up to her school to tell the principal and cheer sponsor because if that boy shared that photo around (he went to the other middle school in town) then my daughter would be kicked from cheer. Nothing came of it, but I am sure my daughter's level of respect dropped a whole lot in the eyes of the principal and cheer coach.

I guess I am officially old now because it really saddens me that girls have dropped so low that this is a now a normal thing. It really makes me fear for the future of our girls. It also makes me want to rather go into Duggar-style isolation - I'm still not over having to deal with 50 Shades of Grey with my high school freshman. Every time I see an ad for that movie I feel a sense of loss.

[nelliebelle1197]

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I don't "do" nail polish, but I'll just leave this here:

So anyway, yesterday I participated in a bike race. One of the things I REALLY love about this place I live is how accessible physical activity is. Yeah, its cold for much of the year, but you can do just about anything with the right gear. And we have so many events that are "women friendly" as in, you are encouraged to bring children, everyone is super friendly and supportive of all levels of fitness, and getting outside and doing anything is encouraged.

Unfortunately, we have a run off election scheduled for tomorrow and the main conservative candidate is channeling another dingbat from this state and actually has a chance of winning if people don't get out and vote. And she is likely to slash the budget even more than her predecessor. Who was really, really bad at his job.

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She is implying she is a lawyer by talking about how she fights "at court" and about how all the little people translate her jibberjabber into brilliant legal work. Considering her posting time is usually around 3 in the AM CST, I am going with night custodian at a law firm or security guard.

[Freefundies]

To Brownie Momma, you have my sympathy about having to deal with the issue with your daughter. I hate to see that your daughter experienced what she did from the other child and from the others around her environment. Don't go the fundie way but do what you can to make sure she doesn't do it anymore. That all that can be asked.

To Nellieb,

Not that I owe you any sort of explanation but LA developed it's Child Code by 1992. I don't need to explain to anyone why it exist but that it does exist because of what it is and that this is the part of the law building quickly trying to keep up. As to why I respond when I do, I am no longer FT due to health issues and family matters (you know Grumpy gramps that no one wants). I easily survive off of 5 to 6 hours a sleep at night and I easily work from my home as a lot do.

Please by all means reach out to everyone you know from Greece and inquire because you won't find me lying. Disgusting is disgusting and its nice to know that enough people were able to make a change to this issue in Greece. But ask away because your going to find out I'm right.

[OkToBeTakei]

Oh boy can't believe I'm engaging but I would like to know if you are saying that in the streets of Greece you are claiming that street vendors are selling and are publicly displaying images of child pornography. As in minor children under the age of 16 in naked and compromising positions taken without their consent. Or were you looking at topless glamour magazines, which whilst not to every bodies taste are modelled by consenting legally aged girls/ women, men? Us Europeans even go topless on the beach, shock horror!!!

I love Greece and visit at least every two years on family holidays. In all those times, can't say I've been faced with child porn for sale. Damn and I mean Godamn amazing food and people though!!!!

[DaffyDill]

I love Greece and visit at least every two years on family holidays.

Jealous, just so jealous...Please be my family :mrgreen:

[Freefundies]

OktobeTakei

By all means please speak to those in Greece and ask them what was displayed in the 1990's quite openly for all to view. These were not the type of magazines with topless models. Some of these looked to be personal photos showing a grandfather inappropriately touching a young lady on the breast (the girl was completely naked) and looked to be maybe 14/15. There were several photos that could've been taken out of Hustler type (showing women with legs spread open those were adults) and several showing what to me resembled teenagers 15-18 in topless photos. Like I said everyone, all tourist as this is a tourist area, saw these as they were out for display. So ask away we saw what we saw and it was disgusting.

[OkToBeTakei]

OktobeTakei

By all means please speak to those in Greece and ask them what was displayed in the 1990's quite openly for all to view. These were not the type of magazines with topless models. Some of these looked to be personal photos showing a grandfather inappropriately touching a young lady on the breast (the girl was completely naked) and looked to be maybe 14/15. There were several photos that could've been taken out of Hustler type (showing women with legs spread open those were adults) and several showing what to me resembled teenagers 15-18 in topless photos. Like I said everyone, all tourist as this is a tourist area, saw these as they were out for display. So ask away we saw what we saw and it was disgusting.

Yeah. So NOT child pornography.

Did the grandfather have a sign on him saying GRANDAD (did you give him a slap?)

Did the girls have their ages tattooed on their foreheads? Nah..didn't think so.

Your interpretation of glamour photos whilst not unusual and you are certainly entitled to it, sounds like some 70 year old pearl clutching lady requiring smelling salts. This type of magazine is not illegal it is NOT child pornography, these models choose to earn their living that way and fair play to them.

I'll hold off on asking random Greeks an arsehole question like this based on some judgemental twerp who went on a tour to the Acropolis in the nineties. You really need to get out more pet. I've a feeling you would not do well in Mykonos :lol:

[OkToBeTakei]

Jealous, just so jealous...Please be my family :mrgreen:

Benefits of living in Europe. Lots of places to visit under four hour flights inexpensive and warm.....need sun us poor Brits!!

[ADoyle90815]

One thing that's on my bucket list is to visit Greece and go island hopping. As for my toenails, I've got a bright pink shade on now, as I just felt like a bright color.

[Anny Nym]

This thread amazes me tremendously, it is like a David Lynch movie...

Are we now seriously discussing if staged shoots on plain and boring (except maybe for 50 yr old guys with a Vukohila, who can´t handle the internet yet) softcore photo magazines, one finds in every press shop and vendor booth, are CHILD PORN?

Gosh, @Freefundies, leave that poor Greeks alone - this sleazy 80s magazines you could find out for display even in the last cow village news stand, anywhere from Barcelona to Irkutsk!

Really woman, are you even aware of how much you sound like a caricature of the "hysterical american abroad"? :evil-eye:

PS: is the nail polish topic here going to be about favorite vacation destinations, because then I want to throw in the Canary Islands and Croatia (oh, and Carinthia) :mrgreen:

[JillyO]

Pretty sure the poster above suggesting our dear Degreed Law Professional (darn, why is the Trademark symbol not working? :cry: ) is a night custodian at a law firm is right.

As for nail polish colors, I think I am going with Essie Lovie Dovie (candy pink) for my toenails today.

[OkToBeTakei]

This thread amazes me tremendously, it is like a David Lynch movie...

Are we now seriously discussing if staged shoots on plain and boring (except maybe for 50 yr old guys with a Vukohila, who can´t handle the internet yet) softcore photo magazines, one finds in every press shop and vendor booth, are CHILD PORN?

Gosh, @Freefundies, leave that poor Greeks alone - this sleazy 80s magazines you could find out for display even in the last cow village news stand, anywhere from Barcelona to Irkutsk!

Really woman, are you even aware of how much you sound like a caricature of the "hysterical american abroad"? :evil-eye:

PS: is the nail polish topic here going to be about favorite vacation destinations, because then I want to throw in the Canary Islands and Croatia (oh, and Carinthia) :mrgreen:

Not a fan of the Canary Isles. The potatoes are amazing though. I do fancy Fuerteventura, That's the only one I've not been to.

Dubrovnik is stunning.

I'm going to Crete later in the year. I have a passion for Northern Portugal.

Also Ibiza. I spent a week there when I was 22. I have very little memory of it, no sleep..at all! Was a hen do :dance:

[sense and nonsense]

New York, someday.

Do return vacations count? Because I'd go back to Switzerland a billion times. I heart snow :D

[formergothardite]

I still want to know why FreeFundies that it was necessary to mention twice how developed the 13 year old girl's breast were. Why was that such an important fact that she had to mention it twice?

On the topic of going topless, it seems like there is a movement among some younger women to make it not a big deal for women to go without a shirt so that any situation where a guy can go without a shirt it is okay for a girl to go without one. I don't think most of America is ready to accept women walking around without shirts.

I want to travel more but it just isn't something that is going to happen at the moment. The extent of my traveling is spending 8 weeks locked in an ATI training center in Texas. Not a lot of opportunities to sight see.

[2xx1xy1JD]

This whole discussion is surreal.

Here's some advice from someone who is not only a Degreed Law Professional (where the degree happens to be a JD) but also a mother of girls ages 12 and 15:

My girls got iPhones when they started middle school, because that requires them to take a bus. That phone came with some rules. I made it absolutely clear that if they ever sent any photo of anybody without that person's permission, or sent anything inappropriate, the iPhone would disappear and they would get the Granny Plan aka old fashioned cell phone with no camera that can only be used to call us or call 911. I am totally serious about this threat, and they know it. An iPhone is a privilege, not a right. They also learn about cyber-safety from both their school and from us. I tell stories from work (without identifying information) on a regular basis, and they often hear about how stupid use of social media gets folks into trouble. So far, they have followed the rules. There was one questionable photo a few months ago (extremely modest, but Girl 1 was goofing off with some girls when a friend took her picture during a mosque visit, tagged her and posted to Facebook, and I was worried that someone might misunderstand and consider it disrespectful), I texted her and asked her to remove the photo and get her friend to delete it, and it was done.

It would never occur to me to call my girls sluts or turn them in to the police. The criminal justice system is not designed to be a substitute for parenting. Calling the police on my child in general would be an absolute, life-or-death last resort because it is guaranteed to fuck up their lives. In Ontario, Canada, people who want to work with persons who are vulnerable (ie. children, elderly, disabled), even on a volunteer basis, usually need to get a Vulnerable Sector Check. This lists EVERYTHING on your police records, not just criminal convictions. So, a call to the police over a 13 yr old sexting, designed to scare her so that I don't have to bother parenting, could result in her losing the opportunity to be a doctor, lawyer, teacher, physiotherapist, social worker, etc. Destroying their future career prospects is not good parenting.

[sense and nonsense]

The criminal justice system is not designed to be a substitute for parenting.

[FundieFarmer]

I need a pedicure, asap. This sandal weather down here isn't conducive to bare nails!

I miss Spain. I stayed there for a summer and the Catacombs of the national cathedral are my favorite place in the world. What's yours?

[BrownieMomma]

Is the concern that parents will turn in their own daughters? Because it seems to me the greater concern, at least from a legal standpoint, is that someone associated with receiving the photo would call the cops, presumably in an effort to cover themselves as not purveyors of child porn.

A few years ago there was a rash of prosecution of older teens/young 20's who had engaged in sexual relations with young teens. An article was published in my town's paper explaining that even if minors, like say both age 15, engaged in a sexual relationship, that was still illegal because the basic legal premise is that a person under the age of 17 is incapable of consent.

So I'm not a lawyer, have no experience with this, and don't know how accurate that article was but it does seem a reasonable line of thought, so it also follows, reasonably, that if a 13yo takes a nude photo and sends it to someone, that girl is still breaking the law by disseminating child pornography.

All that being said, my daughter did that when she was 13, she's now 15 and not pregnant yet! After that, and discovering a photo in the same time frame with the same "friends" featuring smoke, not being cigarette smoke or wood smoke, my daughter was clearly making poor decisions.

Not only was it a very low time for me as a parent, I knew she wasn't right with herself, it just rolled off her in waves. However, by about six months later she had sobered up, the main boys had been separated to different cities, one to military school, and they were off social media, idk if their parents or who or what, but it was enough for my daughter to make a mental break from them.

Now she's back to her usual self, making smarter choices, enduring enjoying high school, back into cheer for next year and just generally making me a very relieved momma.

Making a foolish decision at 13 does not automatically mean worse choices by 15 but I can see where the mom of the receiving boy might jump to that conclusion esp if that mom has not heard from moms like me. Sure, that can escalate but even a usually good, smart kid can fall into the wrong crowd or just even make a bad choice out of curiosity - and parental intervention can guide the child back to a better path.

I'm not European, I'm American, and this is our culture. I know it is different in other places and I am okay with it. If I went to Europe and everyone on the beach was topless, I would do it too or else not go to the beach. I don't celebrate that my daughter took a nude pic of herself, it's just not that way here. I'm not okay with it, in fact it is fair to say I feel grieved and heartsick about it.

It's done, it's over, it seems there will be no lasting repercussions and my daughter has been very very lucky.

[FundieFarmer]

BrownieMomma, you are an awesome parent. Standing ovation to you for getting your daughter through it and loving her the whole time. :clap:

I had my own rebellious time at 13 and I turned out just fine, so I'm skeptical about this whole one-mistake-has-to-equal-catastrophe philosophy, because it doesn't...unless the law gets involved and gives them a permanent record. Kids make bad choices all the time and a harsh law that comes down on them on top of embarrassment and parental struggles isn't necessary. I think this is one more demonstration of the law reaching too far into Big Brother mode when parents should just be able to handle it themselves.

[ViolaSebastian]

God damn, you know what I love about the Greeks? They have respect for their Yiayias and Pappous.

[FJismyheadship]

I noticed that FreeFundies made the comment that my topic was being taken over.

I'm sitting here with popcorn watching the action.

I can't decide if his/her username is supposed to be like free the fundies or fundies that are free. Cause it could go both ways, but this person clearly thrives on confusing people and making every one get riled up.

Although she reminds me of my friends sister who is on the PTA and there for is the bestest and smartest person everer.

[2xx1xy1JD]

I noticed that FreeFundies made the comment that my topic was being taken over.

I'm sitting here with popcorn watching the action.

I can't decide if his/her username is supposed to be like free the fundies or fundies that are free. Cause it could go both ways, but this person clearly thrives on confusing people and making every one get riled up.

Although she reminds me of my friends sister who is on the PTA and there for is the bestest and smartest person everer.

But is your friend's sister a Degreed Law Professional[tm][/tm]?

[formergothardite]

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I had forgotten about those commercials. :lol: