Christian BDSM

[ViolaSebastian]

So I was doing some googling to explore the idea of 'domestic discipline' within Christian homes and ran across this very...interesting...blog by a woman by the name of Lisa Greenwood. Ms. Greenwood uses the Bible in support of BDSM (her exact words to describe the practice), as well as other things such as Biblical support of pubic shaving (something I must have missed that week I had the flu and had to miss Sunday School in ninth grade...) and domestic discipline.

And, for bonus crazy, she is a member of the International Organization of Eastern Red Star, an organization for the wives of Masons.

Enjoy!

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[littlemommy]

I love those crazy blogs, could we get a broken link? I googled the name but there were infinity Lisa Greenwoods.

[ViolaSebastian]

Gah, sorry, I'm taking medication for an injury and I'm not all there sometimes!

surrendered.blog.com

[Loveday]

All righty, then. She's even posted a photo of this practice, complete with a very red backside.

Way, WAY too much information.

[salex]

All righty, then. She's even posted a photo of this practice, complete with a very red backside.

Way, WAY too much information.

Not going to click, but just going to say. Christian BDSM Porn....

how holy!

I thought fundies thought masons were going to hell....

[wayward]

Well, there’s been research linking more corporal punishment in childhood to increased risk of sexual issues in adulthood. Some respected bloggers have speculated that the practice of removing the child’s clothing makes the risk even greater, which seems plausible to me. As we’ve established, a lot of fundamentalist Christians support corporal punishment, with some (e.g. Ted Tripp) explicitly recommending spanking on bare skin.

So it’s not too surprising that "biblical discipline" could lead to BDSM tendencies in adulthood. I’ve long suspected that "Christian domestic discipline" was BDSM dressed up in religion with some extra head games thrown in.

What I’d encourage parents to think about is whether it would bother them if their children grew up and had a hard time getting off without pain or humiliation involved. It isn’t that people with paraphilias are necessarily bad -- I’d guess most of them aren’t. But they probably aren’t choosing to have this kink, and it might make it harder for them to live in a way that’s compatible with Christian teachings. For example, many Christians would probably take a dim view of "Christian Domestic Discipline." And even more people would condemn cheating on a spouse (who isn’t interested in BDSM) to get this need met.

This is one of the many reasons I think the "gentle Christian mothers" have some good ideas about child-rearing.

[tropaka]

That kind of stuff could probably get her booted from the Order of the Eastern Star....as far as I know, having family members who were Masons, they're not exactly down with BDSM, especially if someone's blogging and linking their lodge with it.

ETA wondering if this is a Poe - just looked at "The Masonic Wife" page and am laughing at the cartoon and then bare-bum photo - don't see too many of our other submissive Christian wives posting such sexualized stuff.

[NotALoserLikeYou]

Bdsm is fine (and fun ;) ) but I'll never understand the Christian element! So you like to be dominated, ok. That's what turns you on. That's why you do it, it has nothing to do with religion.

[SolomonFundy]

"The act, the ritual around all of this is terribly important for us. He spanks for punishment in a particular place in our bedroom and in a particular position. This time he told me to take off my pants myself. He talks and expects answers. The spanking, the literal intensity, the pain, is not really where the impact of a punishment spanking comes from for us. This is not about being beaten into submission or causing more pain than I can manage…whether there are tears or not comes most often comes from the pain in my heart not my bottom. Don’t get me wrong, a punishment spanking is hard and hurts a lot. But it is the emotional and physical actions, the submission and dominance acted out, baring myself, going over his lap, his scolding, and the true acceptance of all of that on my part, his spanking, the words, his and mine, taking responsibility for my wrongs that brings us back to a place of togetherness. He dominates and I submit. It all seems to bring out an incredible tenderness in him as well, as he forgives and comforts and always shows me his love. I am left feeling cherished."

This isn't a little bit of fun between two equally enthusiastic partners; this is a freaking MANIFESTO. Good grief!

"When you ordered me to fetch that wooden paddle from your bedroom, telling me to keep my skirt up and my panties where they were, rolled under my cheeks in such a way that made me want to reach back and hide my burning shame, in my mind I hesitated. But that hesitation didn’t last long, because you said so and it must be done...The lovemaking afterward is often sensational"

Never mind; false alarm. They're just kinky.

[Nobodysdoormat]

Crazy! They think this isn't sexual?? Really? What will happen to their kids if their friends find out about about this? Even friends from church?

[ILoveJellybeans]

Whoa this is kinky :o

Reminds me too much of TTUAC though. Its creepy how the Pearls advocate disciplining children in the exact way that this woman's husband spanks her. If the child training business fails for them, they could just swap out children for adults, add some sex, and then they've got the next 50 Shades of Gray. Ew.

[galaxy]

Not going to read that blog as it sounds kinda NWS but of course they have to disguise it with Christian stuff, they can't just go around admitting they enjoy kinky sex! What will the neighbors think?!

[bionicmlle]

I think this is another spoof domestic discipline site. she talks all about how she needs correction, is submissive per the Bible, it clears up fights, etc., then lists THESE reasons for spanking, most of which seem very incongruent with her overall "message":

The lovemaking afterward is often sensational

Romantic spanking opens lines of communications

There’s a community of spankos to provide support and advice

Adult spanking is the most common of all kinks

It can strengthen your relationship

Just picture those beautiful globes over his lap…

he is eager for this, really!

Compared to childbirth, the pain of a spanking is trivial

This is not punishment, think instead about spanking as foreplay

Spanking builds trust between partners

It’s really OK to hit a woman, but only if she enjoys it

This isn’t weird or unusual, it’s just another kind of sex

he can be the strong, decisive man of your fantasies

What’s not to like?

Do the initials B. J. hold any significance?

Many couples include erotic spanking in their lovemaking

His dream can be your pleasure

It’s something fun you can do together

You could make it a game

Spankings can be relaxing

There are many other dedicated spanko

Role play spankings are great fun

If something doesn’t work, you don’t have to repeat it

It isn’t about the pain, it’s about a shared experience

This opens an exciting new chapter in your relationship

Spankings promote greater physical and emotional intimacy

Your willingness to try demonstrates your love for him

It’s wonderful to feel completely in love again

With a safeword, you can tell him before things go truly wrong

Your his your lover – It’s OK if his fingers wander southward

The process of experimentation allows a couple to grow together

It’s with you she wants to share this secret

Spankings don’t have to be serious – You can laugh and joke

Most women’s bottoms are well padded – real damage is unlikely

Consensual spanking is not abuse

Spanking can be a huge turn-on for both of you !

He won’t think that you’re mean if you’re doing as he asked

You could get her to dress up for her spanking

With a few simple rules, adult spankings are safe and fun

We women are tougher than you think

he can be your hero!

He’ll love how your skin grows warm.

Hugs and kisses

It’s wonderful to spoon after a spanking

Make him smile – tease him about future spankings

You can start small and simple

He’ll adore you all the more for listening to his needs

He has always wanted to threaten to “tan your hide?â€

It’s fun to collect and test various spanking implements

This list will add a new dimension to your relationship.

[FJSharkJump]

I don't know what this Red Eastern Star group is. Never heard of it and no immediate hits come up when googling.

There is the Order of the Eastern Star within the Masonic body of fraternal organizations. It's mostly middle-aged and older mainline church-type ladies (and gentlemen) who do good works in their community, meet a couple times a month for business matters and display of their memorized ritual speaking parts, and enjoy cake and punch. Nothing sexy at all. Even of the vanilla variety. :lol:

[Mango]

I've always thought that a big reason that conservative christians are drawn to BDSM- particularly women who identify as submissive/subby/slave/whatever- is that for subs, there's a lot of stuff said about them not being responsible for being sensual/sexual/pleasure-seeking stuff.

Admittedly, this is totally armchair psychology based on two weird former roommates. Just sayin'.

[tropaka]

I don't know what this Red Eastern Star group is. Never heard of it and no immediate hits come up when googling.

There is the Order of the Eastern Star within the Masonic body of fraternal organizations. It's mostly middle-aged and older mainline church-type ladies (and gentlemen) who do good works in their community, meet a couple times a month for business matters and display of their memorized ritual speaking parts, and enjoy cake and punch. Nothing sexy at all. Even of the vanilla variety. :lol:

IF she's to be believed, she'd part of the Order of the Eastern Star (some of them have further distinctions for the wives of different levels of Masons, hence the Red Star thing). My late piano teacher (RIP, died at aged 92 last month) was a member.

[lilah]

I think Shitstain mary is into BDSM. Or else she just really likes it when her husband treats her like garbage.

[Nobodysdoormat]

I get that feeling from ssm too.