Comments from 'Life Begins at Conception'

[Maude]

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[Megan]

Your crisis pregnancy doesn't lie, you say? There is a link between abortion and breast cancer, hmm? The World Health Organization supports this claim?

Therefore, results from epidemiological studies are reassuring in that they show no consistent effect of first trimester induced abortion upon a woman’s risk of breast cancer later in life.

https://apps.who.int/inf-fs/en/fact240.html

I see. I'm glad we cleared up the myth that crisis pregnancy centers lie. That's clearly made up by Planned Parenthood.

[E Street Fan]

Not her body, not her choice

So, Jasmine, in whose body did this unplanned pregnancy exist? Did this woman's uterus suddenly become a separate entity from the rest of her body? Or was the pregnancy in a bubble floating around in space?

The anti-choice people really don't get how ignorant they are.

[snarkbillie]

I like how their "solution" is for her to get an unnecessary hysterectomy. Lovely. I've been on that same drug before due to my own issues and it probably saved my life. How "pro-life" can they be if they want her to die taking the baby with her. Yuck.

When I was on methotrexate (nasty stuff, btw. nobody I know would take it unless they HAD to!) I was also on B.C. if it would have failed I would have had to get an abortion because it was the only reasonable option. I was married at the time and we thought at some point I would be healthy enough to conceive, just not right then. True love waits you know.

[SayNoToMullets]

If spending 9 months in the hospital is no big deal - want to pay for that 9-month stay? Or some rad new therapy that might let her keep the baby (all for your benefit)? No? Didn't think so. At least these geniuses didn't even bother to hide their sentiment that a woman who has sex needs to be punished and/or "fixed."

Oh, and Jasmine? So glad you have your friend's mom as backup. Can't show your ass on the internets all by yourself, can you?

[Terrie]

Do these idiots have any idea how hard it is to get sterilization surgery if you don't have multiple kids?

[emmiedahl]

Do these idiots have any idea how hard it is to get sterilization surgery if you don't have multiple kids?

In many states, illegal and impossible. You have to be X age and have Y number of kids. She is twenty with no kids; thus not legally able to get a tubal ligation in my state or the one I lived in before.

As for hysterectomy, I think doctors stopped removing uteri as contraception a few decades ago. :roll:

[docmom]

OK, so the woman should be tied down and made to proceed with the pregnancy. Unfortunately

The use of methotrexate in the first trimester has been associated with a specific pattern of birth defects. This pattern of birth defects includes malformations of the infants' head, face, and bones. Poor growth and developmental delay have also been described.

The literature specifically states that taking a very small dose of MTX in the very early stages of pregnancy (around 4-6 weeks) is enough to induce these defects. So, the poster's baby has a high liklihood of having serious birth defects. Now, by tying mom down and taking away her MTX you've created a crippled woman, almost certainly incapable of work. Just who is going to care for, feed, clothe and pay the medical bills for this baby with severe birth defects? I'm not seeing a whole lot of right wingers standing up right now.

[Sobeknofret]

My son spent 2.5 months in the hospital. The bill was well over a quarter million dollars. Nine months in the hospital would be staggering. Is Jasmine willing to pay multiple millions to get that pregnancy to term. Remember, the OP said she and her boyfriend were too poor to scrape up a few hundred to pay for a regular medical abortion...

[MarsGirl]

In many states, illegal and impossible. You have to be X age and have Y number of kids. She is twenty with no kids; thus not legally able to get a tubal ligation in my state or the one I lived in before.

As for hysterectomy, I think doctors stopped removing uteri as contraception a few decades ago. :roll:

Huh. Then I must be passed the legal age. Cuz last OBGYN visit, I told my doctor that I was considering having my tubes tied and I expected a complete argument. Instead, she said, "Ok. I can schedule you for one."

I'm 37 and have had no children. Currently single but I'm engaged. So what's the cut-off age?

[emmiedahl]

Huh. Then I must be passed the legal age. Cuz last OBGYN visit, I told my doctor that I was considering having my tubes tied and I expected a complete argument. Instead, she said, "Ok. I can schedule you for one."

I'm 37 and have had no children. Currently single but I'm engaged. So what's the cut-off age?

I think every state has their own requirements, and some may have none at all.

When we were talking about getting one of us fixed toward the end of the last pregnancy, my doctor told me to decide early because it would take a month or more to get paperwork filed. My husband asked his doctor, who referred him to a specialist who does it. The specialist performed it the next week and did not even ask whether husband had children, if he was "sure", etc.

I live in a blue state and apparently the assumption in our laws is that women don't really know what they want, but men do. And that angers me.

[smores]

I spent a week and a half in the hospital while pregnant with complications and thankfully had damn good insurance. My bill for every doc and the hospital was nearly $70k for 11 days after insurance negotiated it down (and they paid probably 95% of it) - so 40 weeks x 7 days x 6500/day = $1,820,000.

So to which pro-lifer should the bill go?

[docmom]

I'm 37 and have had no children. Currently single but I'm engaged. So what's the cut-off age?

It's 21 in a number of states. I don't know of any restrictions on number of prior children. I do know that performing a hysterectomy purely for purposes of birth control would be malpractice.

[SayNoToMullets]

In many states, illegal and impossible. You have to be X age and have Y number of kids. She is twenty with no kids; thus not legally able to get a tubal ligation in my state or the one I lived in before.

As for hysterectomy, I think doctors stopped removing uteri as contraception a few decades ago. :roll:

A few decades ago - so right around when most anti-choicers stopped keeping score.

[snarkbillie]

It's 21 in a number of states. I don't know of any restrictions on number of prior children. I do know that performing a hysterectomy purely for purposes of birth control would be malpractice.

I don't know about legalities but as a 24 year old with two kids I was heavily discouraged by doctors when I asked about sterilization. I have a severely bad auto-immune disorder that requires some majorly not great medicine if you're talking about the possibility of unplanned babies, but still they wanted me to 'wait and see' because I might want more kids. My husband however, being about 5 years older than me had no trouble getting the snip. The doctor didn't even ask him if he was married, whether he had kids, why he wanted snipping or anything. I was shocked.

[Maul the Koala]

Mandy Massey Hall: The bible says if necessary a woman should give her life for her child. So if that meant your life for the babys more power to God. I'm sorry for I know I should not judge you but I hope you rot in hell! A child is a gift from god put into your life for a reason and that reason is not to kill it! They're are people in the world that would have gave they child an awesome life if you didn't have the means to! Plus if you knew you were on a drug that was not going to let carry a child why was you stupid enough to get pregnant? Birth Control I'd available at any state health Department for free to the less fortunate and try even five free condoms! I will pray that God finds some way to forgive you for this!

So much for love, care and compassion. Wishing people would rot in hell over an abortion? Oy vey...

[wtfrenchtoast]

So much for love, care and compassion. Wishing people would rot in hell over an abortion? Oy vey...

Sorry, I know I'm not supposed to judge, but....BURN IN HELL YOU EVIL WHORE. :roll:

I guess killing a fetus is only okay when God does it.

[shesinsane]

A child is a gift from god put into your life for a reason and that reason is not to kill it!

But ignorant forced-birther, what about the 1 in 4 pregnancies that end in miscarriage? Why did God put that "gift" in there if it wasn't going to stay viable?

[linnea27]

Sorry, I know I'm not supposed to judge, but....BURN IN HELL YOU EVIL WHORE. :roll:

I guess killing a fetus is only okay when God does it.

that baby is a gift and there for a purpose and that purpose is not to kill it... but for it to kill you? SHUT UP AND BE THANKFUL FOR YOUR GIFT OF A SLOW DEATH, SLUT. Way to go forced birthers, proving once again that you are not actually pro-life- at least, not pro-life when we are talking about the lives of women.

You would think that pro-birthers would be in favour of public health care. If nine months in hospital had been feasible for this woman, she may have changed her mind (or maybe not, but I am sure cost was a factor for this woman, even if it was only one of many). But I guess then this woman wouldnt have been adequately punished for daring to have sex while living with chronic illness if she got A FREE RIDE ON THE BACKS OF HARDWORKING HONEST AMERICANS. And we all know punishment is really the goal for pro-birthers, as illustrated by the calls for her death and burning in hell.

[docmom]

Will they still feel the same about the fetus if it is female and grows up to have an abortion?

[emmiedahl]

So much for love, care and compassion. Wishing people would rot in hell over an abortion? Oy vey...

Actually, the Bible does not say the bolded in any place that I know of. The assumption that birth control is available at any state health department is incorrect, and I think the woman in the story was using birth control anyway.

The grammar--I just can't even.

Most of the girls on that site are just that-girls. Very young, not well-educated, and ignorant of even their own religious teachings.

[dairyfreelife]

Huh. Then I must be passed the legal age. Cuz last OBGYN visit, I told my doctor that I was considering having my tubes tied and I expected a complete argument. Instead, she said, "Ok. I can schedule you for one."

I'm 37 and have had no children. Currently single but I'm engaged. So what's the cut-off age?

I'm not sure the age, but I know I've been in so much pain I nearly begged to remove my internal female organs, but I was too young. I'm still considered too young. I told them I didn't care about having a biological child. They still said no. Gave me bc pills and pain meds. I'm too young and I may change my mind one day. Truthfully, I don't feel a special attachment to having a biological child. I'm perfectly okay with adopting instead, but no, most doctors will not consider tying tubes or giving hysterectomies to young women. They definitely won't to a 20yo in almost all states. Funny how she says the woman should be forced to have a hysterectomy...but her bf doesn't have to get snipped. However, it is usually just as difficult for a young man with no children to get snipped. And I don't know any doctor who will force a tubal ligation, hysterectomy or a vasectomy on anyone partly because of law, but also because doctors I know have this weird idea that men and women should have some control over what's done to their own bodies. Who knew? And to the dumbass commenter, who does my body belong to if not to me? It certainly doesn't belong to you, so why do you think you get a say in what I do with it?

Honestly, what pisses me off the most about these arguments is I recently had a concern that I might have been pregnant. It was not a good time to be pregnant, I was concerned about the meds I was taking at the time as well, so I also did some research. Turns out there's not any issues known regarding taking the meds during the first trimester. I had to really think about what I wanted to do. It's a very scary feeling to find yourself suddenly possibly pregnant unintentionally. With much debate I decided that if I was indeed pregnant, I could do it. I decided I would go through with the pregnancy if the pregnancy held out. However, knowing I had options, knowing I had a choice, made the decision to keep the pregnancy better. Because it was my decision, I made the choice. I was not pregnant thankfully or I lost it early on. I still think about that even though it's been weeks now. The scare has made my pro-choice stance even stronger.

[2xx1xy1JD]

A while back, hubby came home angry and frustrated because a patient that he was treating for an unstable auto-immune condition announced that she was 14 weeks pregnant, and he couldn't find any place that would do a 2nd trimester abortion. He adores the babeez, but he also has a firm grasp on reality and knew that without treatment, the life of the mother was in jeopardy.

This is why we need to protect access to abortion - so that if it's ever needed, it's there and there's nothing standing in the way of treatment.

I've had pro-life folks get snippy when I try to pin them down on the exact details of "to save the life of the mother" exceptions. The problem is that if you wait until you have absolute proof that the pregnancy will kill the woman, it may be too late to prevent that from happening. Once an auto-immune condition like lupus, for example, starts to flare up, you've got to act quickly and hope that the flare can be managed before it results in permanent organ damage. This requires high doses of drugs with serious side effects, and at a certain point permanent damage cannot be avoided. It's easier to manage the disease so that serious flares are avoided.

[longskirtlotsakids]

I don't know about legalities but as a 24 year old with two kids I was heavily discouraged by doctors when I asked about sterilization. I have a severely bad auto-immune disorder that requires some majorly not great medicine if you're talking about the possibility of unplanned babies, but still they wanted me to 'wait and see' because I might want more kids. My husband however, being about 5 years older than me had no trouble getting the snip. The doctor didn't even ask him if he was married, whether he had kids, why he wanted snipping or anything. I was shocked.

This has been my experience too. I have known about 5 friends with snips but only one tubal. They all had the same experience. Vasectomies seem to be fine as long as a man says go but apparently a woman is too silly and may change her mind.

[SpeakNow]

I could understand being more cautious about doing a hysterectomy since that procedure is irreversible, but tubal and vasectomy should require the same amount of precaution.