Society has gotten so far removed from biblical principles

[lilwriter85]

Lori "Nitwit" Alexander has done another annoying blog entry on gender roles and she focuses on women being the weaker sex.

http://lorialexander.blogspot.com/2012/ ... essel.html

Apparently not, according to today's "new" woman. I read this in my Real Simple magazine today ~

She was talking about the olden days when a gentleman would open a car door for a lady or walk on the outside of the sidewalk when escorting her...But nowadays women aren't considered the weaker or gentler sex {thank goodness for that}, and these acts are viewed differently. They can seem old-fashioned or even offensive.

Our society has gotten so far removed from biblical principles, it continues to amaze me. The Bible definitely states that women are the weaker sex ~

Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

I Peter 3:

Yes Lori, in some ways women are weaker than men. Of course our society has been removed from biblical principles. Times change and gender roles have changed along the way. Your husband really doesn't honor you Lori and you have admitted a few times before. Sometime back, you said that women shouldn't get annoyed if their husbands don't buy them flowers or don't want to have long conversations.

Where has common sense gone? Look at the bodies of men and women. They are very different. Testosterone levels are very different. A man's levels vary between 250 to 850, whereas a woman's level are between 25 to 85. Women can bear children and nurse them. Men can play football....MEN AND WOMEN ARE DIFFERENT!!!

People still have common sense about the bodies of men and women. Lori, there are women who play football and league for women exists. Also Lori, not all men can play football. Some men are weaker than other men, while there are women that are stronger than other women.

[GeoBQn]

Maybe she's trying to draw attention away from her "women should submit to their abusers" post.

[lilwriter85]

Maybe she's trying to draw attention away from her "women should submit to their abusers" post.

She probably is, but she won't be able to bury that previous post. People won't forgot about that posting. Only two comments were posted. I said this in the other thread, but I think she has lost fans/followers. There are a lot of people who will agree with her on certain things, but I know Christians who would be disgusted with the posting about women submitting to their abusers. This posting was annoying for a few reasons. The way she shoves the Bible down on others is flat out annoying, because a lot of cultures in the world don't use the Bible for anything. Also the fact that she can't accept that society has changed and the Bible doesn't hold up to certain things today is annoying. She has allowed four or five comments to be posted and of course they are from women who like having doors opened for them etc.

[jockosmom]

I think I read somewhere that the translation of that verse saying "weaker vessel" is a little off and should really be more like - finer vessel or high-quality vessel, or something like that. Don't have anything to back that up right now, but I saw that verse quoted and thought of it.

ETA: - OK, can't find it. Every translation I am finding says weaker vessel or physically weaker; still using the word weaker.

[argypargy]

Man, she would hate me, then. When I raced mountain bikes, I used to race with the men, not the women. I was strong enough to hang with the men and was more challenged that way.

Come to think of it, I think I've played football with men before...quelle horreur!!

[ElphabaGalinda]

If what Lori says are Biblical principles, I hope society has moved very far away from them. And playing football as an example??? Some men can't play football at all, and some women can very well, that's not an equivalent example to giving birth, which is biological. And in those "good old days" she's talking about? Those things were not done by all "gentlemen" for the benefit of all "ladies" and it was a cultural thing that had nothing to do with the Bible.

[argypargy]

People still have common sense about the bodies of men and women. Lori, there are women who play football and league for women exists. Also Lori, not all men can play football. Some men are weaker than other men, while there are women that are stronger than other women.

There are plenty of women that are stronger than some men, too.

[mkitten]

People still have common sense about the bodies of men and women. Lori, there are women who play football and league for women exists. Also Lori, not all men can play football. Some men are weaker than other men, while there are women that are stronger than other women.

This. Seriously, everyone is unique in their physical strengths and weaknesses. I'm sure that there are more than a few lady firefighters, Marines, etc. that could bench-press Lori's husband and then toss him to the side like a candy wrapper (not that they would, because that's just rude, but still.) And who says that women don't like it when men open doors for them? I open doors for people (regardless of gender) when I happen to get there first, because the way that I was raised, that was the polite thing to do. I also graciously accept it when a person (male or female) opens a door for me (especially when I'm with the kids.)

[lilwriter85]

This. Seriously, everyone is unique in their physical strengths and weaknesses. I'm sure that there are more than a few lady firefighters, Marines, etc. that could bench-press Lori's husband and then toss him to the side like a candy wrapper (not that they would, because that's just rude, but still.) And who says that women don't like it when men open doors for them? I open doors for people (regardless of gender) when I happen to get there first, because the way that I was raised, that was the polite thing to do. I also graciously accept it when a person (male or female) opens a door for me (especially when I'm with the kids.)

I would love to see the Unabomber look a like get toosed like a candy wrapper lol. Lori's husband sounds like a douche and I agree there are women in the world that could kick his ass. I was also raised to open doors for people regardless of gender.

[LadyFriend]

This makes my brain hurt. While I have lurked on FJ for almost a year, this whole fundie mindset is new to me. I grew up in a Christmas/Easter Catholic family and went to 12 years of Catholic school (I also had a STRONG mother who has always proudly identified as a feminist...so does my Dad), so I got a fair dose of stereotypical gender role encouragement growing up. For the life of me, however, I cannot understand why anyone (especially a female) would perpetuate such limiting notions of gender identity. How could you actually encourage people to limit themselves this way? It makes me SO. FREAKING. SAD.

[jenny_islander]

When people burble on about a notional return to Biblical principles, they almost always mean enforcement of a hierarchy in which some people are bosses and some are underlings and this is assigned at birth. I have NEVER seen one of these fundamentalist handwringers demand a return to the Biblical principles of ensuring that everyone has access to food even if they can't earn it (Deuteronomy 24), never charging injurious interest on loans (Exodus 22:25-27), or not singling out foreigners for mistreatment (Exodus 22:21).

[Hane]

When people burble on about a notional return to Biblical principles, they almost always mean enforcement of a hierarchy in which some people are bosses and some are underlings and this is assigned at birth. I have NEVER seen one of these fundamentalist handwringers demand a return to the Biblical principles of ensuring that everyone has access to food even if they can't earn it (Deuteronomy 24), never charging injurious interest on loans (Exodus 22:25-27), or not singling out foreigners for mistreatment (Exodus 22:21).

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[Olive Plant]

:clap: :bow-yellow: :clap:

FOR REALZ. Because, you know, the bible is FULL of shit about how women need to stay in the kitchen at all times and not consider themselves equal to men, and says NOTHING that sounds like socialism.

Oh, wait.

[MissA]

When I was younger, my mother always said that I should insist on my date's opening the car door for me... so I could slam it on his hand if he was being an ass.

The thing that always gets me about posts like this is that the services that one receives when being "treated like a lady" may be pleasant, but they are really trivial and unnecessary. Unescorted women manage to lift their own luggage, open their own doors, and walk down the street without assistance billions of times per day. The costs associated with "deserving" these services, meanwhile, are huge: you have to constantly suck up to men for their superior strength, you cannot ever demonstrate any skills that might be competitive with men, and you have to submit to their authority because they can physically exert it.

Doing the cost-benefit analysis, I think I'll pass.

[caito]

Oh I'm sure all the men in biblical times were perfect gentlemen. All men today should strive to be like them. And such. -_-

[patsymae]

Sojourner Truth said it best in 1851:

... That man over there says that women need to be helped into carriages, and lifted over ditches, and to have the best place everywhere. Nobody ever helps me into carriages, or over mud-puddles, or gives me any best place! And ain't I a woman? Look at me! Look at my arm! I have ploughed and planted, and gathered into barns, and no man could head me! And ain't I a woman? I could work as much and eat as much as a man - when I could get it - and bear the lash as well! And ain't I a woman? I have borne thirteen children, and seen most all sold off to slavery, and when I cried out with my mother's grief, none but Jesus heard me! And ain't I a woman?

...

Then that little man in black there, he says women can't have as much rights as men, 'cause Christ wasn't a woman! Where did your Christ come from? Where did your Christ come from? From God and a woman! Man had nothing to do with Him ...

[gardenvarietycitizen]

When I was younger, my mother always said that I should insist on my date's opening the car door for me... so I could slam it on his hand if he was being an ass.

The thing that always gets me about posts like this is that the services that one receives when being "treated like a lady" may be pleasant, but they are really trivial and unnecessary. Unescorted women manage to lift their own luggage, open their own doors, and walk down the street without assistance billions of times per day. The costs associated with "deserving" these services, meanwhile, are huge: you have to constantly suck up to men for their superior strength, you cannot ever demonstrate any skills that might be competitive with men, and you have to submit to their authority because they can physically exert it.

Doing the cost-benefit analysis, I think I'll pass.

THIS!!!! None of those "perks" are free. There is always a price, and often it's not one you want to be paying.

[ems]

If what Lori says are Biblical principles, I hope society has moved very far away from them. And playing football as an example??? Some men can't play football at all, and some women can very well, that's not an equivalent example to giving birth, which is biological. And in those "good old days" she's talking about? Those things were not done by all "gentlemen" for the benefit of all "ladies" and it was a cultural thing that had nothing to do with the Bible.

Yeah, that giving birth vs. playing football was like the worst example ever.

[Hane]

Sojourner Truth said it best in 1851:

Then that little man in black there, he says women can't have as much rights as men, 'cause Christ wasn't a woman! Where did your Christ come from? Where did your Christ come from? From God and a woman! Man had nothing to do with Him ...

Love how almost nobody ever quotes this part of her speech.