S'Morton Alan Smith charged with incest, rape, child molestation

[fundiefan]

9 minutes ago, SparkleMomma said:

The captain really does look like a sopranos extra! That necklace really distracts from his countenance.

I believe those are the keys to his daughter's hearts.

[MamaB]

9 minutes ago, SparkleMomma said:

The captain really does look like a sopranos extra! That necklace really distracts from his countenance.

 

14 minutes ago, Grimalkin said:

         I never noticed because I find my eyes are drawn to the Captain's necklace. I swear  I'm not looking at his bosom! 

 

     

It's the key to his current eldest daughters at home heart. She wears the heart part and he wears the key.

I believe he did a video about it once didn't he?

Oh @fundiefan beat me to it.lol

[Closed Womb]

24 minutes ago, SparkleMomma said:

If Alan is put away for a long time, surely Katie will have to get a job right? Her parents/siblings surely don't have the resources to completely support NINE extra people from now to eternity. Maybe they are thinking that they will support them until the oldest boys are old enough to go work for dear ol grandpa? I'm a SAHM myself, but I also have a bachelors degree to fall back on if something ever happened to my husband. Poor Katie (I'm assuming here) doesn't even have a high school diploma. Any job she would even qualify for would in no way fully support her and her children. I'm just appalled at the situation she's been put into by the headships in her life.

My guess is that they'll seek a biblical divorce  (considering Alan to have "cheated" on her) and sell her off to the first guy willing to take on an attractive woman with 8 kids.  

There just isn't anything in the Uber Fundie playbook for this.  Poor woman is going to be second class no matter what they do, so they may as well do what's financially "best."  

Sad, all around.  

[SparkleMomma]

Yikes I didn't think about the fact that she might be "forced" to be remarried, but I bet she will be. How traumatic. Daddy got his signals crossed with God terribly wrong the first time. Maybe he'll do better next time. 

[NakedKnees]

15 hours ago, ophelia said:

(snip)

My brother-in-law Alan Smith recently got brought out and arrested leaving his wife and kids behind and in need. We are all sickened and distressed by this and are trying to help Katie and the kids in all ways possible. Even the smallest gift is appreciated....
‪#‎GlorytoGod‬ ‪#‎gofundme‬

(snip)

I just wanted to add a bit to the discussion of this (underlined) wording choice... I may be crossing fundie family wires, but aren't the Mortons one of the families that likes to write in a psuedo-nineteenth-century style? Like, harkening for the time period when absolutely everyone was just like them? *sarsacm*

In any case, thefreedictionary.com's first definition of the phrase "bring out" is "To reveal or expose: brought out the facts." While the Mortons are most likely not doing such intensive double-checking, I'm inclined to think that Kennedy was just trying to speak in a nostalgic tone, not accuse law enforcement in particular. 

Of course, that would still be an effort to soften the blow, but this is a tragic and shocking situation and I just seriously doubt that Kennedy's word choice means anything besides that Alan's crimes were revealed- to Kennedy and everyone, not just to law enforcement.

[DomWackTroll]

38 minutes ago, Closed Womb said:

My guess is that they'll seek a biblical divorce  (considering Alan to have "cheated" on her) and sell her off to the first guy willing to take on an attractive woman with 8 kids.  

Oh, dear God... Please tell me Spanky hasn't heard about this! (But you know he has.)

[withaj]

1 hour ago, SparkleMomma said:

If Alan is put away for a long time, surely Katie will have to get a job right? Her parents/siblings surely don't have the resources to completely support NINE extra people from now to eternity. Maybe they are thinking that they will support them until the oldest boys are old enough to go work for dear ol grandpa? I'm a SAHM myself, but I also have a bachelors degree to fall back on if something ever happened to my husband. Poor Katie (I'm assuming here) doesn't even have a high school diploma. Any job she would even qualify for would in no way fully support her and her children. I'm just appalled at the situation she's been put into by the headships in her life.

I can't imagine Katie will get a job in this situation -- heck, I'm not a fundie and I wouldn't get a job in this situation. The cost of childcare for 8, even with partial family help, would far surpass any income she could make. She will qualify for benefits if she chooses to take advantage of them. We will probably not be privy to information about the choices the family makes as this plays out, but I would be interested to know what path they take financially.

[libriatrix]

35 minutes ago, NakedKnees said:

I just wanted to add a bit to the discussion of this (underlined) wording choice... I may be crossing fundie family wires, but aren't the Mortons one of the families that likes to write in a psuedo-nineteenth-century style? Like, harkening for the time period when absolutely everyone was just like them? *sarsacm*

In any case, thefreedictionary.com's first definition of the phrase "bring out" is "To reveal or expose: brought out the facts." While the Mortons are most likely not doing such intensive double-checking, I'm inclined to think that Kennedy was just trying to speak in a nostalgic tone, not accuse law enforcement in particular. 

This is a really fantastic interpretation, and I hope you are right. 

[Grimalkin]

1 hour ago, withaj said:

I can't imagine Katie will get a job in this situation -- heck, I'm not a fundie and I wouldn't get a job in this situation. The cost of childcare for 8, even with partial family help, would far surpass any income she could make. She will qualify for benefits if she chooses to take advantage of them. We will probably not be privy to information about the choices the family makes as this plays out, but I would be interested to know what path they take financially.

        I would likely avoid a job for a while too. Leaving any abuse out of the equation to prevent speculations, just having a dad go to prison Is a huge adjustment, and even if the family puts on a brave face the undercurrent of emotions is going affect the kids.

      Lastly, people rally around Katie and kids now but what happens three months from now, six months, a year from now? That dynamic with the intertwined marriages is so complicated.

[DomWackTroll]

And it begins...

Scarlett Lynde, who identifies herself as Wallace Yivoh Smith’s grandmother on his FB page…

…quite obviously does not believe her other grandson is guilty as charged, calling the Go Fund Me page a “scam” and actually saying, “Please do not give any money to this request”!

She warns in other posts about “false prophets in sheep’s clothing” and people who don’t have “loyalty” and “morals.”

[Mudgie]

That's incredibly unfortunate. If Katie's own brother's are the ones creating and posting the Go Fund Me I'm not certain how that translates into a scam. 

[Grimalkin]

          Nobody told Grandma Scarlett.

 

[SolomonFundy]

45 minutes ago, DomWackTroll said:

And it begins...

Scarlett Lynde, who identifies herself as Wallace Yivoh Smith’s grandmother on his FB page…

…quite obviously does not believe her other grandson is guilty as charged, calling the Go Fund Me page a “scam” and actually saying, “Please do not give any money to this request”!

She warns in other posts about “false prophets in sheep’s clothing” and people who don’t have “loyalty” and “morals.”

Wow. That is so, so sad. She's definitely Alan's grandmother. Further down among her recent posts (below the crockpot beef stroganoff recipe, and the pithy Jeebus memes), she mentions that Jacqueline came to visit and brought some of her kids. 

Denial is inevitable, I guess. These are people who require a certain degree of cognitive dissonance to preserve their fundy lifestyle. It's only natural to doubt facts in all forms when they become inconvenient or embarrassing. 

[NachosFlandersStyle]

Mortons must be reading this thread. I went to check out the post on Kennedy's Facebook that was mentioned above, and it now says "found out." I am glad to see firm condemnation of his actions, although of course I understand how difficult it must be to formulate thoughts in this situation.

[Escapefromfundiedom]

11 minutes ago, NachosFlandersStyle said:

Mortons must be reading this thread. I went to check out the post on Kennedy's Facebook that was mentioned above, and it now says "found out." I am glad to see firm condemnation of his actions, although of course I understand how difficult it must be to formulate thoughts in this situation.

She references Number 32:23 - be sure your sin will find you out. Definitely sounds like they're shocked/surprised or at least not taking his side. Thank God...

 

ETA: on andrews instagram he also commented asking people to pray for Katie because she has a "lot of decisions" to make over the next few months.

[justmy2cents]

45 minutes ago, NachosFlandersStyle said:

Mortons must be reading this thread. I went to check out the post on Kennedy's Facebook that was mentioned above, and it now says "found out." I am glad to see firm condemnation of his actions, although of course I understand how difficult it must be to formulate thoughts in this situation.

She also added Please keep Katie in your prayers as she makes decisions and looks after her family which I don't think was there before. Looks like she's trying to make it crystal clear that they're standing with Katie and Alan has become persona non grata.

[SolomonFundy]

Some people here predicted a social media blackout immediately after his arrest came to light, but surprisingly, if anything, they've been posting MORE in the past week. That's definitely changing now. There has been a noticeable tightening of the reins in the past few days. More instagram accounts private; a couple of deleted facebook accounts. From the limited access I have/had, the Mortons and S'Mortons are solidly in Katie's corner. Several members of the family have posted pictures of Katie with encouraging quotes on instagram. Since they are basically only posting to each other at this point, they are clearly doing it as a way to help bolster her spirits. 

The elder Smiths are the last remaining question mark, and it's hard to tell how they'll manage things. With the Mortons seemingly circling the wagons around Katie, any help Alan gets must come from his parents and siblings. It's interesting that NONE of them (as far as I know) have made a public declaration of support or even acknowledgement. The closest thing to support we've seen is his grandmother basically saying the fundraiser is a scam. That seems like an effort to distance herself from the situation rather than a rally cry of support for Alan.

[AmazonGrace]

Who posted the fundraiser on her page? 

Coincidentally, just as the Moultrie observer article came out, she  posted a meme saying people who never read the news are better informed than those who do because they don't hear the lies.

I think she's in the deny, deny, deny camp.

[SolomonFundy]

29 minutes ago, Grimalkin said:

          Nobody told Grandma Scarlett.

 

It's possible. Otherwise, we must conclude that Grandma Scarlett got the news about her grandson's possible sex crimes, then spent a week lighting up her corner of the world with digestively questionable recipes, Steve Harvey clips, anecdotes from her doctor's visits, and a video to help Christians figure out how to vote. (Spoiler alert: when all else fails, they recommend researching the candidate's record and discerning the value of the candidate based on their political history and intentions, in addition to their stated platform. This is naturally not encouraged for all elections, just when God doesn't tell you outright who to vote for.)

I genuinely think that it's possible the family tried to shield her from this. Or maybe just tried to shield themselves from her. 

[Escapefromfundiedom]

Rachel (Wesley's wife) just posted on their blog which hasn't been updated in years...a lot of scripture about exposing sin, etc. Heavy stuff and definitely not giving the impression they're taking the duggar approach to sweeping stuff under the rug. 

[SolomonFundy]

Damn. Rachel (or Wes? Do we actually know for sure it was her?) didn't hold back. This is fundy mudslinging at its best. 

Roughly translated from the source text, I interpreted what (s)he wrote as:

Anyone who messes with the trust of children deserves to be speedily killed, ideally in a horribly brutal manner.

If the law don't take care of this shit, somebody else will.

Anyone who says that Alan is innocent is no better than he is. 

Doing twisted, horrible things is bad. Even if it's your family, don't allow a crime/sin to be covered up.

 

Since the family has no need to communicate scathing indictments via public blog post, I'm left with some curiosity about just who that message was intended for. Extended family who are lurking for news? (Possible since the blogs were ostensibly started to share family events with other friends and family.) On the other hand, since there is a 100% chance that the immediate/core family is aware of FJ at this point, is the message for us? 

If it's the former, Granny Scarlett and whomever is hiding under the rock with her just got majorly called out.

 

On the off chance that the latter is true... 

Morton Family- 

From the bottom of my heart, as someone who endured years of abuse as a child at the hands of a blood relative, THANK YOU for publicly proclaiming and affirming your love and support for the victims instead of protecting Alan. Thank you. 

-A person whose non-fundy family wasn't brave enough to face what you're dealing with now.

[hoipolloi]

1 hour ago, Escapefromfundiedom said:

Rachel (Wesley's wife) just posted on their blog which hasn't been updated in years...a lot of scripture about exposing sin, etc. Heavy stuff and definitely not giving the impression they're taking the duggar approach to sweeping stuff under the rug. 

Yes, it does NOT give the impression that anyone is defending what Alan is accused of doing:

Quote

 

Tuesday, August 2, 2016
But if anyone causes one of these little ones who trusts in me to lose faith, it would be better for that person to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around the neck.
Matthew 18:6

Because the sentence against an evil deed is not executed speedily, the heart of the children of man is fully set to do evil. 
Ecclesiastes 8:11

Whoever says to the guilty, "you are innocent" will be cursed by peoples and denounced by nations.  But it will go well with those who convict the guilty, and rich blessing will come on them. 
Proverbs 24:24

Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
Ephesians 5:11

 

 

[AmazonGrace]

6 minutes ago, hoipolloi said:

Yes, it does NOT give the impression that anyone is defending what Alan is accused of doing:

 

Or else this is intended for a certain someone  or several someones who say he didn't do it:

 

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Whoever says to the guilty, "you are innocent" will be cursed by peoples and denounced by nations.

 

[Milly-Molly-Mandy]

Can someone share the link? A quick Google search didn't show it up. 

[ophelia]

@Milly-Molly-Mandy wesleaandcompany.blogspot.de/

@Four is Enough Your honesty really got under my skin and I want to say thank you for opening up! I feel terribly sorry for everything your family had to deal with and I hope that the future will give you all a lot of healing. Sending hugs from Germany!!

15 hours ago, hoipolloi said:

The fact that Andrew Morton would say something like "My brother-in-law was recently arrested leaving my little 9 year old nephew as the man of the house" does not make me think  there's been much change in the worldview that contributed to the situation.

Let that sink in: a 9 year old boy being called (and apparently though of as) the man of the house.

 

12 hours ago, nausicaa said:

I hate that "man of the house" shit so much, and can't believe non-Fundies do it too. 

Grown ass mother of eight, you can't be leading the house, silly billy! Here's a nine year old to take care of things. Yeah, he's still a little shaky on his multiplication tables, but he's the requisite genitalia for complicated decisions!

 

12 hours ago, Four is Enough said:

I think of all the craziness that's come out of this mess, the 9 year old being "man of the house" is the nuttiest. Are they fucking SERIOUS????

Calling a 9 year old "man of the house" is just the same bullshit as sending a nine year old Paul with his mother and sisters as an escort so they are somewhat "protected".

What are this little guys supposed to do?

9 hours ago, SparkleMomma said:

If Alan is put away for a long time, surely Katie will have to get a job right? Her parents/siblings surely don't have the resources to completely support NINE extra people from now to eternity. Maybe they are thinking that they will support them until the oldest boys are old enough to go work for dear ol grandpa? I'm a SAHM myself, but I also have a bachelors degree to fall back on if something ever happened to my husband. Poor Katie (I'm assuming here) doesn't even have a high school diploma. Any job she would even qualify for would in no way fully support her and her children. I'm just appalled at the situation she's been put into by the headships in her life.

What kind of job could she actually work? She hasn't got a highschool diploma and I think her only experience in the real world is shopping at thrift stores or buying groceries.