All Things Dillard - Part 6

[HerNameIsBuffy]

Hmmm. Sounds like maybe it's time to mention that the Baby Foot pedicure I did a week ago is starting to work as advertised.

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My daughter started cosmetology school recently and they are on nails now. I got a salon quality mani/pedi last night in my own home. I love helping her with this kind of homework! :D

(Can't wait for her facials segment.)

[lascuba]

The CPM credential only requires 50 births over a minimum of 2 years, only 20 of which as the primary midwife. That's a paltry amount, so I can see Jill being able to do it with everything else that was going on. And that's why her becoming a CPM is not a real accomplishment.

[RosyDaisy]

I'm thinking Jill becoming a CPM was supposed to be a plot for the next season which will never air. That's why it was kept quiet. This is just speculation on my part.

[ClaraOswin]

That must be nice. I had a spat with my sister-in-law over it because she breastfed and it was "so much better" despite the fact that her doctor told her to supplement and she refused to do so until her kid could eat baby food and she could mix the formula in with that to feel better about herself. And this whole thing started because I "made her feel bad" for making fun of kellymom.com because they are the Breastapo.

Anyways, as for Jill, Good for her for getting a certification in something, even if it's just a lay midwife, but I'm sorry, I can't be happy for her beyond that. She's shown plenty of times that she is a complete spaz and her own birth was so dangerous. It scares me to think she's going to be assisting with births in developing countries. I don't want to come on here to read she left some poor baby die because she didn't do the right steps.

I don't care what anyone says...breast is NOT best for everyone. I made an attempt while still in the hospital and even the lactation consultant agreed that formula would be best for me. If I were to have a 2nd child, I would go straight to formula and not feel even a hint of guilt. I currently have a happy and healthy 2 year old.

I think it's slightly scary that Jill could be the one who is supposed to make smart decisions in someone's birth experience. She made so many mistakes with her own and it's truly scary. (And it sounds like that women she used to have an apprenticeship with wasn't too bright either.)

[SpoonfulOSugar]

Certified Professional Midwives are NOT real midwives. They aren't allowed to touch women anywhere in the developed world except in the US because their education is so substandard. CPM is a title made up by Ina May Gaskin, the wife of a cult leader and a self-taught "midwife" who let her premature infant die instead of seeking medical attention. The fact that Jill supposedly carries the title should tell you everything. Seriously, this is only impressive insofar that a Duggar was able to do something slightly more structured than she's over been required to do.

LaScuba - what credential do you have to measure the "reality" or "actual" of health care professionals?

Of course she's a "real" midwife. Midwives have been around for hundreds of years and for much of that time didn't need an external validation of practice. You may disagree with the credentialing path she took, or with the standards that have been created for that credential, but you are minimizing the work of many people when you take such a derisory tone. [And from a cursory glance, it looks like Canada has multiple paths including direct to midwifery through apprenticeship, so I'm not sure why you are so certain she would never be allowed to practice there.]

I agree with the bolded in the original post quoted. People seem to be confusing "snark" with downright cattiness. A 7-hour comprehensive exam is nothing to be sneezed at - give credit where credit is due.

[singsingsing]

Saying it's not a 'real' accomplishment is ridiculous. You don't have to agree with something someone does for it to be an accomplishment. Likewise, you don't have to climb Mt. Everest for it to be an accomplishment. Getting your PhD is an accomplishment, but so is learning how to play a song on the guitar, and there's a wide spectrum in between. I wouldn't want Jill Duggar delivering my child, and I may be skeptical of CPMs in general, but that doesn't negate the fact that she worked hard and achieved something, especially within the limited scope of her cult. I can acknowledge that fact even while I acknowledge the problems inherent in what she's doing.

[artdecades]

Hmmm. Sounds like maybe it's time to mention that the Baby Foot pedicure I did a week ago is starting to work as advertised.

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ooo, I saw that on Buzzfeed not long ago and was intrigued. Did you do it yourself or get it professionally done? I am hesitant cuz its seems like there is a lot of steps involved but the results look amazing and the peeling skin seems kinda cool/fun in a macabre way.

[lascuba]

LaScuba - what credential do you have to measure the "reality" or "actual" of health care professionals?

Of course she's a "real" midwife. Midwives have been around for hundreds of years and for much of that time didn't need an external validation of practice. You may disagree with the credentialing path she took, or with the standards that have been created for that credential, but you are minimizing the work of many people when you take such a derisory tone. [And from a cursory glance, it looks like Canada has multiple paths including direct to midwifery through apprenticeship, so I'm not sure why you are so certain she would never be allowed to practice there.]

I agree with the bolded in the original post quoted. People seem to be confusing "snark" with downright cattiness. A 7-hour comprehensive exam is nothing to be sneezed at - give credit where credit is due.

Yes, and for thousands of years there were no vaccines, and people thought the sun revolved around a flat earth, and humanity trucked on. Medicine and science progress and just because something made sense 100 years ago doesn't mean we need to respect the people alive today who cling to the old ways. Someone could work really hard and become an expert in homeopathy--I'm going to denigrate the hell out of them.

Anyone with any kind of sense would look at the list of requirements for CPMS and find it deficient: http://narm.org/entry-level-applicants/ 50 births in 2-5 years. That sounds ok to you?

The fact that they can't practice in hospitals and in many states malpractice insurance companies refuse to cover them is pretty telling. I stand corrected on Canada, though from a quick search they define direct entry differently--it's actually a bachelor's degree in midwifery without doing nursing first.

7 hour exam--you know there all sorts of fields where a day long exam to obtain licensure/accreditation is a fairly common thing, right?

[JessaJessa]

The CPM credential only requires 50 births over a minimum of 2 years, only 20 of which as the primary midwife. That's a paltry amount, so I can see Jill being able to do it with everything else that was going on. And that's why her becoming a CPM is not a real accomplishment.

Who do you think you are being so obnoxiously catty? Considering where she came from, no one should be criticizing Jill for this accomplishment. Of all the things to cut her down for, this is not it. She is doing SOMETHING with her life.

[Themiscyran]

ooo, I saw that on Buzzfeed not long ago and was intrigued. Did you do it yourself or get it professionally done? I am hesitant cuz its seems like there is a lot of steps involved but the results look amazing and the peeling skin seems kinda cool/fun in a macabre way.

I did it myself, after seeing Happy Atheist discussing it here. It's actually easy--the only things you have to do a re soak your feet and wear the slippers. Soak feet before, put on the plastic slippers with the gel stuff and sit tight for an hour, then wash feet and re-soak.

The one thing I did wrong is I didn't realize it helps if you soak your feet every night for 15 min or so after doing the initial treatment. I didn't start doing that until about 4 days in. But I'm already starting to get some massive (and massively gross! But also cool!) peeling.

I have a couple of really bad callus areas that it hasn't really touched much yet but the nasty places on my heels are starting to go.

The hardest thing is not moisturizing. When all the peeling is over my feet are getting some really nice foot cream!

[SpoonfulOSugar]

Yes, and for thousands of years there were no vaccines, and people thought the sun revolved around a flat earth, and humanity trucked on. Medicine and science progress and just because something made sense 100 years ago doesn't mean we need to respect the people alive today who cling to the old ways. Someone could work really hard and become an expert in homeopathy--I'm going to denigrate the hell out of them.

None of which has anything to do with the fact that "midwife" has a commonly accepted definition which Jill Duggar meets. She is a "real" "actual" midwife.

Nor did you address your credentials for assessing such.

For the record, as an academic administrator, I was charged with evaluating credentials (academic, work experience, and professional certifications) for teaching a variety of subjects. I also reported completion rates for various fields of study & training for my organization. I'm pretty facile with accreditation, licensing boards and exams, and apprenticeships and journey man training.

Anyone with any kind of sense would look at the list of requirements for CPMS and find it deficient: http://narm.org/entry-level-applicants/ 50 births in 2-5 years. That sounds ok to you?

"Sounds ok to me?" is completely immaterial. It meets the standards of the state of Arkansas, which is the way licensing generally occurs in the United States - for everything from EMT-B to M.D. or specialist.

The fact that they can't practice in hospitals and in many states malpractice insurance companies refuse to cover them is pretty telling. I stand corrected on Canada, though from a quick search they define direct entry differently--it's actually a bachelor's degree in midwifery without doing nursing first.

Canada also operates on a provincial structure - - just like the states - - some provinces don't even have a licensing process in place, and many acknowledge training through alternative paths. Here's a link: http://cmrc-ccosf.ca/node/19

7 hour exam--you know there all sorts of fields where a day long exam to obtain licensure/accreditation is a fairly common thing, right?

LOL - yes (see above) - and those fields are called "professions." Not only did you deny that Jill approaches anything like professional - you said her training wasn't real.

TL; DR. It's okay to question the standards for training and practice, but making broad generalizations without any supporting evidence is just silly.

[lascuba]

Who do you think you are being so obnoxiously catty? Considering where she came from, no one should be criticizing Jill for this accomplishment. Of all the things to cut her down for, this is not it. She is doing SOMETHING with her life.

I value facts over kindness, so I'm not going to waste time being nice to someone I already dislike just because she reached an extremely low bar, when there are very serious potential consequences.

She's doing something with her life? Ok? I really don't care about these people as individuals, I care about the bigger picture and the kind of damage they can do. Missionary "midwife" with no experience who's going to use her "skills" to practice on unsuspecting poor women of color. Maybe that doesn't matter to you...maybe it's more important to be happy for the fundie girl who grew up on tv than it is to be concerned for those she's going to affect. You do you.

[Themiscyran]

My daughter started cosmetology school recently and they are on nails now. I got a salon quality mani/pedi last night in my own home. I love helping her with this kind of homework! :D

(Can't wait for her facials segment.)

Any tips for giving oneself a better mani/pedi at home?

I recently discovered Sally Hanson's gel top coat. I can make those manicures last 5 days or so, which is really good considering I type a lot. The colors are nice too, but you really only need to buy the top coat.

[lascuba]

TL; DR. It's okay to question the standards for training and practice, but making broad generalizations without any supporting evidence is just silly.

But the whole point of my posts have been that the standards for training and practice are bullshit. Yes, Jill is a "midwife" because 26 US states have egregious standards for midwifery. That's what I'm addressing.

[Alicja]

Any tips for giving oneself a better mani/pedi at home?

I recently discovered Sally Hanson's gel top coat. I can make those manicures last 5 days or so, which is really good considering I type a lot. The colors are nice too, but you really only need to buy the top coat.

for manis I soak my nails in ice cold water for a minute in between coats to help them dry faster.

[SassyPants]

Congratulations to Jill on her accomplishments. She seems to be moving forward, good job.

Now, would I use her services? No

Would I encourage anyone (especially anyone with any other options) to use Jill? No.

Do I think she is actually an independent healthcare provider? No

Regardless, Congrats to her.

[luv2laugh]

Congratulations to Jill on her accomplishments. She seems to be moving forward, good job.

Now, would I use her services? No

Would I encourage anyone (especially anyone with any other options) to use Jill? No.

Do I think she is actually an independent healthcare provider? No

Regardless, Congrats to her.

True. At least she's doing something she enjoys instead of being like Jessa who just stares at herself in the mirror all the time and takes selfies.

[SassyPants]

True. At least she's doing something she enjoys instead of being like Jessa who just stares at herself in the mirror all the time and takes selfies.

Exactly!!!!!!

[BemusedByFundamentalism]

On a different note: Did you guys already see Jill's latest video on Instagram? Half of the family dressed up like pirates for some donut promotion.... Joy looks like she is so done with this.

Edited to delete a question mark.

[BemusedByFundamentalism]

instagram.com/p/70kpxhrs9X/?taken-by=jillmdillard

[NotALoserLikeYou]

I know people who have been CPMs for decades. They are assisting women in having the kind of birth they want - that IS an accomplishment. The thing about these types of midwives is that they do NOT want to be medical professionals. They want to assist in women in having normal, natural births. They recognize the purpose and importance of doctors and hospitals for many women. They don't view birth as a potential disaster but as a process most women can tolerate just fine - should they want to go a drug-free or low intervention route at home.

[Alexa]

I don't care what anyone says...breast is NOT best for everyone. I made an attempt while still in the hospital and even the lactation consultant agreed that formula would be best for me. If I were to have a 2nd child, I would go straight to formula and not feel even a hint of guilt. I currently have a happy and healthy 2 year old.

I think it's slightly scary that Jill could be the one who is supposed to make smart decisions in someone's birth experience. She made so many mistakes with her own and it's truly scary. (And it sounds like that women she used to have an apprenticeship with wasn't too bright either.)

Yes to all of this! Think if women in the U.S. were uniting for better maternity leave instead of fighting each other over how other people should feed their babies?

Anyway, I can't say this isn't a big accomplishment for Jill because in Duggar world this is probably the equivalent of getting a PHD, although her training or lack of training scares the hell out of me. I just can't stop thinking about how much all the Duggar kids could have accomplished if mommy and daddy hadn't held them back so damn much with their lack of schooling, not getting to go to a real accredited college, none of them being allowed to get basic teenage minimum wage jobs outside of the home, not being able to join the military if desired instead going to some stupid Gothard re-training camp, and making all the girls be "buddies" on top of everything else they had to do at home.

They've really screwed their kids. Jim Bob must be seeing it now that of his 8 adult kids (soon to be 9) only John David has a real paying job, while one son in law works for him as a lawn boy, one son in law is an unemployed missionary with a growing family and one daughter in law who will never work, has 4 kids for Jim Bob to support while her husband is in rehab for sex. They are all dependent on Jim Bob for housing, jobs, and money. I know he wanted control, but at what cost? If Jill could have gone to a real college she could have gotten her real R.N. license and gotten her Masters as a midwife and made a solid living and worked as a missionary offering legitimate help. I shudder to think of the damage she can possibly inflict on herself and others now. I just don't trust Jill's judgement and I don't know if she has the ability to admit she may be wrong, she appears to have inherited a lot of Jim Bob's ego.

[NotALoserLikeYou]

Zsu always does this free donut day, too.

I see Ben in the background, not dressed as a pirate.

[ClaraOswin]

It's such a pet peeve of mine when people make it sound like the way I had my child is unnatural or abnormal. Sure, surgery isn't 'natural.' But I just find it kind of rude when people imply that the way my son got here was somehow less-than coming out of a vagina. In the end, it really doesn't make a difference at all. No one gets an award for for an unmedicated, vaginal birth. Or for a c-section. We all want the same outcome...healthy mom, healthy baby. No type of birth is better than the other. It's so frustrating that people put certain experiences on a higher pedestal for all. Sure, we all have an idea of what is best for ourselves. But to assume that is best for everyone is just narrow minded. As long as people are being responsible and not neglecting their health or the health of their child, it really doesn't matter. Though I will say, based on what we saw of Jill's birth (and lack of prenatal care)...I put her into the "neglecting her health" category. And to me, that makes me question her abilities as a midwife. To me, she seems like the type who cares more about the experience and less about the dangers involved in said experience. As a former member of a mom-forum...I've known many people like this. It's kind of scary. Thankfully they aren't midwives.

As far as the free donuts....Why in the world do they need 14 dozen donuts for free? I wonder how many got thrown away. I like how at the end, Derick tries to get "Krispy Kreme" in there.

[ClaraOswin]

Did they draw on poor Izzy's face?

https://instagram.com/p/70hhLIrs1J/?tak ... llmdillard

I do see they shared 1 box of free donuts with some drifters.

https://instagram.com/p/70ol4frs2W/?tak ... llmdillard