Jim Bob Continuing to Put Out Misinformation About The Pill

[PennySycamore]

i think among some christians, they prefer an equally christian (doctor, contractor, dentist, basically any profession they will utilize) person, because "not only will they have the knowledge of their field, but they will have the extra insight provided by a personal relationship with god that will also help direct them."

or something like that. *shrug*

There's a mechanic that my husband likes to go to that's real big on being the Christian mechanic. I find that off-putting myself. I just want a mechanic that'll do a good job at a decent price and not try to cheat me. I always find that businesses that make a big deal out of being the Christian whatever are a bit shady.

[FakePigtails]

Yup, which is called a "chemical pregnancy"...a very early miscarriage. My first pregnancy was such, still heartbreaking though. Technically they aren't "expelled with the next period". I won't get crazy technical but it's not exactly the same, even though it seems like it.

I don't think the two are the same at all, having had a chemical pregnancy myself and spent years on birth control. With the theoretical birth control "abortion" or natural lost fertilized egg, you have a fertilized egg that doesn't implant and it does go away with your next period because your body has no idea it even existed.

A chemical pregnancy does, however, implant, though it doesn't stay long. With the above, you wouldn't get any positive pregnancy test (blood or urine) and with a chemical pregnancy, you do. There can be early pregnancy symptoms sometimes, too. When you bleed with that, it's miscarriage bleeding rather than a period, although for some it does appear to be a late, bad period if they weren't watching out for a pregnancy.

[LogansMama]

I don't think the two are the same at all, having had a chemical pregnancy myself and spent years on birth control. With the theoretical birth control "abortion" or natural lost fertilized egg, you have a fertilized egg that doesn't implant and it does go away with your next period because your body has no idea it even existed.

A chemical pregnancy does, however, implant, though it doesn't stay long. With the above, you wouldn't get any positive pregnancy test (blood or urine) and with a chemical pregnancy, you do. There can be early pregnancy symptoms sometimes, too. When you bleed with that, it's miscarriage bleeding rather than a period, although for some it does appear to be a late, bad period if they weren't watching out for a pregnancy.

My OB told me I had a chemical pregnancy after receiving a positive EPT. I started bleeding and went to my doc immediately. They did an ultrasound and the doc told me "there is nothing in your uterus". So, according to her, there was a fertilized egg (hence the pos test and HCG counts) but it never implanted. The "period" wasn't technically a period and had significant cramping and lasted about 10 days.

[FakePigtails]

My OB told me I had a chemical pregnancy after receiving a positive EPT. I started bleeding and went to my doc immediately. They did an ultrasound and the doc told me "there is nothing in your uterus". So, according to her, there was a fertilized egg (hence the pos test and HCG counts) but it never implanted. The "period" wasn't technically a period and had significant cramping and lasted about 10 days.

That's really strange that they'd say that, unless they meant completed implantation or something? But it would have started at least - it's what causes the production of HCG, and ultrasounds don't always show anything in early pregnancy, especially if there are problems. My doctor never even tried with me because my HCG level didn't get anywhere near what they need for anything to be visible. They were clear that I was pregnant though and I had the early symptoms to match :( It only lasted just over a week past the positive test I got at home.

Here's an explanation of what happens at implantation: http://contraception.about.com/od/howyo ... tation.htm

[LongDogMom]

There's a mechanic that my husband likes to go to that's real big on being the Christian mechanic. I find that off-putting myself. I just want a mechanic that'll do a good job at a decent price and not try to cheat me. I always find that businesses that make a big deal out of being the Christian whatever are a bit shady.

I think it's because for a lot of people, someone who is a "Christian" means they are automatically a good person. It doesn't really, but you hear it over and over again..."He was a good Christian. He went to Church every Sunday, blahblah". Yet we see example after example of Christians (especially high profile and supposedly extra-holy ones who are pastors or priests or televangelists, etc.) who are not good people at all and are often scam artists, perverts, crooks and the like. So it's funny how people still continue to hold of "Christian" as some beacon of good moral character! There's that little bit of arrogance involved where many Christians often think they are better than us regular folk.

[browncoatslytherin]

I think it's because for a lot of people, someone who is a "Christian" means they are automatically a good person. It doesn't really, but you hear it over and over again..."He was a good Christian. He went to Church every Sunday, blahblah". Yet we see example after example of Christians (especially high profile and supposedly extra-holy ones who are pastors or priests or televangelists, etc.) who are not good people at all and are often scam artists, perverts, crooks and the like. So it's funny how people still continue to hold of "Christian" as some beacon of good moral character! There's that little bit of arrogance involved where many Christians often think they are better than us regular folk.

qft.

i think it also kind of gives christians and the outwardly christian proprietors kind of a jumping off point, something in common. like, "you're christian? i'm christian, too!" i get a similar feeling when i see people who are obviously modded (though it's not something that would influence my decision on what doctor to go to or who i would hire to install cabinets or work on my car or anything like that).

[LongDogMom]

Addicting Info. just put out an article about this as well with a video: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/10/14 ... ens-video/

Here's a blurb (for more go to the link above):

"or the record, there is no medical science that indicates that the taking of birth control by pregnant women can abort a pregnancy, or even endanger a fetus, This is all very much a religious falsehood.

Duggar didn’t stop there, though. He went on to say:

Scripture says that children are a blessing and gift from God, and we said, ‘God, please forgive us. Scripture says my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, and that’s really what happened with us. So we ended up just giving this area of our life to God, and right after that, God blessed us with twins – and then another one, and another one.

So he is using the teachings of a 2,000 year old book to make modern medical decisions. That explains a lot. However, in all his ignorance, Duggar realized that he was, at one point in time, impregnating his wife too much and having too many children. But, he soldiered on, saying:

Matter of fact, we got up to about seven or eight, (and) we thought, ‘What have we done? We’ve got so many children, and we didn’t know if we could take care of all of them and feed them and everything. It’s amazing how God has always provided for us every step of the way. Those little kids grew up to be warriors for the Lord, and so we love going and serving together as a family, involved in political races, involved in going to nursing homes and singing, and just trying and encourage people in other families.

So, you want to encourage destitute families who have children they cannot take care of (not to mention the cash flow of a reality TV series like you have) to continue to procreate? Very responsible of you, Mr. Duggar.

Of course, buried in all of this, is a religious message. Duggar concludes:

We get emails in from others that have said, ‘Hey, I was considering having an abortion, but then I turned on your show and I thought, you know, if this lady can do it with 19 kids, I can do it with one, and I decided not to have an abortion. We’ve had hundreds of letters of people who have accepted the Lord as their savior, people who their families have started going to church, and so that really makes it all worth it.

In other words, Duggar is using his family’s TLC platform to espouse unrealistic, patriarchial, antiquated, anti- choice views. Not surprising, but still disturbing, since so many people take what they preach on that show as gospel truth."

[doggie]

Of course god helps the duggers they are white Christians. but he lets the non white Christians in third world countries babies starve to death.

So god gave them lots of kids so they could exploit them for money good god there.

[Toothfairy]

God didn't give them lots of kids. They chose to have lots of kids. I always hate when fundies say they leave it up to god. 1+1=3. If you have unprotected sex you're trying to get pregnant or will get pregnant. Leave god out of this. She gave you a brain and free will

[CorruptionInc.]

God didn't give them lots of kids. They chose to have lots of kids. I always hate when fundies say they leave it up to god. 1+1=3. If you have unprotected sex you're trying to get pregnant or will get pregnant. Leave god out of this. She gave you a brain and free will

Exactly!

I'm pretty sure God would prefer you being a GOOD MOTHER or FATHER instead of having sex every waking minute in hopes for getting another child you're going to pass onto your daughter.

[LongDogMom]

God didn't give them lots of kids. They chose to have lots of kids. I always hate when fundies say they leave it up to god. 1+1=3. If you have unprotected sex you're trying to get pregnant or will get pregnant. Leave god out of this. She gave you a brain and free will

Well plus they are so hypocritical. They "leave it up to God" so don't use any birth control, but it's okay not to leave it up to God to deliver said child and have C-sections and serious medical intervention to save Josie etc. So what...they trust God to put the child inside them but not get it out? They reject modern medicine like birth control pills but use it when it can save their premature baby?

Not to mention that if everyone believed like they do, there would be no medical specialists with medical and scientific knowledge to deliver or save those babies! None of their kids are going to Medical School. They don't even believe in University! And if JimBob had his way, there would be no abortions and no birth control...can you imagine all the unwanted children that would be born into families or to young and troubled women who don't have the ability to take care of them? Into abuse and poverty? How many would suffer abuse, abandonment, even murder? How many would be the recipient of the anger and frustration of their mother who was forced to have them when she didn't want to? How many would be the final straw that breaks the back of a family barely scraping by without another mouth to feed?

Yeah, the Duggars and all the politicians they support are so against abortion and rail about how it's a "Baby Holocaust", but where are they after the child is born? When they are hungry or have nowhere to live or no safe place to be nurtured. Where are they then? They want to cut off benefits and refuse to raise the minimum wage to anything sensible ...how would families support these large families?

Makes me mad because they preach all this stuff without (a) looking at the consequences of laws making abortion illegal and banning birth control, or the reality of feeding and clothing and caring for so many families! Not everyone has TLC footing the bill. Plus some of us want to give our children a richer life and truly be involved with them emotionally and help them achieve all they can be ...rather than just raising them to breed more "Armies for Christ"!

Sorry, didn't mean to rant. Just makes me mad! ARGH! :cracking-up:

[Joywave]

My mother in law conceived my husband while on birth control (it failed when taking antibiotics). Guess what, he was born healthy. And they aren't even godly people! What does this mean Dr. Jim Boob?

[OneFifthQuiverFull]

What I think happened with the good Christian doctor was more like this:

Distraught JB and Michelle in the office, searching for truths (JB being consistently a control freak): So Doctor, what could have caused this?

Young naive Michelle is thinking, "Oh God, Doc, please don't say it was because I kissed other boys. Or because of all of the back handsprings I did in high school. Or splits! OMG, it could have been all those pre-JB splits. Oh God...."

Doc: Well, we just don't know. It could be any number of things-

JB: Could it be The Pill? Because you know, Michelle was on The Pill before this!

Doc: It could be, it could be. We just don't know. Most likely it was [...stuff JB didn't hear because he got the Answer he needed].

And the Big Fish Story of the Duggar Family was born. You can't change a Big Fish Story once it's been told; in fact, the fish must get larger, and the fight to land it harder. JB can never say, "Back 30 years ago we thought it was The Pill, but we now know....". Oh no no no. We must stick with the Big Fish Story!

When I found out I was pregnant with twins, at the ripe old age of 23, also fresh off my honeymoon, we too asked our doctor why. We also asked if it could be the pill I was on to manipulate my period so it wasn't happenin' on my blessed day. We were also told, "It could be." For a while there I went around telling people that I got pregnant with twins BECAUSE I WAS ON THE PILL (remember I was 23 and dramatic). Then I sat down with myself one day and thought, "Yeah, that's kinda not making much sense, because they are identical, which means I only dropped one egg. So I should probably STFU because I really don't know how I ended up with twins."

During that time I had another friend who also had twins who were conceived on her honeymoon. I don't remember where they went for their honeymoon but I know somehow it involved water slides. She used to tell people that all that water sliding split the embryo in two. She's since passed (RIP) so I never got to ask her if she actually believed that or if that was just her schtick.

[Toothfairy]

Well plus they are so hypocritical. They "leave it up to God" so don't use any birth control, but it's okay not to leave it up to God to deliver said child and have C-sections and serious medical intervention to save Josie etc. So what...they trust God to put the child inside them but not get it out? They reject modern medicine like birth control pills but use it when it can save their premature baby?

Not to mention that if everyone believed like they do, there would be no medical specialists with medical and scientific knowledge to deliver or save those babies! None of their kids are going to Medical School. They don't even believe in University! And if JimBob had his way, there would be no abortions and no birth control...can you imagine all the unwanted children that would be born into families or to young and troubled women who don't have the ability to take care of them? Into abuse and poverty? How many would suffer abuse, abandonment, even murder? How many would be the recipient of the anger and frustration of their mother who was forced to have them when she didn't want to? How many would be the final straw that breaks the back of a family barely scraping by without another mouth to feed?

Yeah, the Duggars and all the politicians they support are so against abortion and rail about how it's a "Baby Holocaust", but where are they after the child is born? When they are hungry or have nowhere to live or no safe place to be nurtured. Where are they then? They want to cut off benefits and refuse to raise the minimum wage to anything sensible ...how would families support these large families?

Makes me mad because they preach all this stuff without (a) looking at the consequences of laws making abortion illegal and banning birth control, or the reality of feeding and clothing and caring for so many families! Not everyone has TLC footing the bill. Plus some of us want to give our children a richer life and truly be involved with them emotionally and help them achieve all they can be ...rather than just raising them to breed more "Armies for Christ"!

Sorry, didn't mean to rant. Just makes me mad! ARGH! :cracking-up:

:clap:

I so agree with this post. Just to add my own opinion The Duggars are pro abortion not pro life. I don't even think they should tell other people what to do with their body when they themselves made that choice to have 19 kids and have unprotected sex. If they can have unprotected sex and have 19 kids, why can't a woman or a couple decide to not have kids or to get an abortion? Funny how they're so against science and birth control, but isn't god the creator of all things? So god created birth control and science for a reason. She put doctors on this earth to help save lives. When they're sick they use science to get better and take advantage of people who spent years in school, training, and paying off tons of debt.Yet they have no problem upgrading to the latest apple computer or technology gadget. I'm sure in biblical times there were no instagram or iPhones.

[HarleyQuinn]

Whenever I see these two talking about the pill I just want to rage. They are so misinformed and ridiculous.

[Firiel]

The Pill decidedly does NOT cause an implanted egg to miscarry. There is the possibility that 20+ years ago, a doctor told them/thought that was a possibility, but that isn't typically believed even in fundie circles today, AFAIK. Jim Bob is totally off-base of even conservative Christian beliefs if he's spouting this crap.

The reason fundies view Plan B and the Pill as abortion is, as someone stated above, because it thins the lining of the uterus, and in the past, doctors/researchers have thought it was possible that a fertilized egg (A FULL HUMAN LIFE in their opinion) could fail to implant because of the thinner lining and "die."

However, further studies have shown that Plan B (and likely the Pill because they are the same hormones, just in different doses) very likely does NOT cause failure to implant: http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/02 ... tudies-say

One particular study that I read about (in a peer-reviewed, academic article) tested it this way. A bunch of women (meticulously tracking their cycles for the purpose of this study) took Plan B after unprotected sex. Some women had sex BEFORE ovulation and some women had sex AFTER ovulation. For those who had sex before ovulation, Plan B was 100% effective. For those who had sex after ovulation, they had the number of pregnancies one would statistically expect a control group of women that size to have.

This implies that Plan B is almost entirely effective at stopping ovulation but has little to no effect if the woman has already ovulated, meaning that there is no "failure to implant."

Not a scientist. Just did a ton of research for a Facebook debate one time. :|