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  1. Ok, the CDC actually had to do this.... Yeah, here's the tweet in question... Why do I get the feeling that this was issued in response to something Spanky did....
  2. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1890289467670821&id=570092813023833
  3. Somebody really wanted some birth control Maybe this was a good thing since this guy would probably not be a father of the year type.
  4. Paul Ryan really said this, “God didn’t want us to be able to have unprotected sex that wouldn’t result in pregnancy. That’s not how we were designed and every time someone uses birth control, they’re effectively going against God’s wishes and committing manslaughter. . . ." Paul Ryan: “If There Was A Legitimate Way To Have Intercourse And Not Get Pregnant, God Would Have Included It In His Holy Books”
  5. https://rewire.news/article/2016/08/23/complaint-citing-catholic-rules-doctor-turns-away-bleeding-woman-dislodged-iud/ Conservative Catholics would say that if you don't like the rules of a Catholic hospital you can always go somewhere else, but many people don't have this option. This is why we need secular health care. One's life should not be in jeopardy because of Dogma.
  6. wotdancer

    Condoms at Liberty U

    I've mentioned before that, in a former life (for both myself and the school), I went to Liberty University. Apparently they have birth control available on campus now, and it's stirring quite the controversy. This article is insanely conservative, but I brought it to FJ hoping for more intelligent conversation! https://www.theodysseyonline.com/get-your-christ-like-condom-at-the-lu-health-center
  7. After 4 years, a 30 yr old woman wins right to sterilize herself.So it's OK for her BF to get a vasectomy? https://www.yahoo.com/style/30-old-woman-just-won-223300360.html
  8. So, the Pope issued the "Amoris Laetitia," a broad statement about marriage and other forms of love in relation to the RC Church and Christianity in general. While there is no call for accepting gay marriage, or allowing remarried Catholics to take communion, there are some interesting changes in some of the messaging around patriarchy and authoritarianism in marriage. I found this passage especially interesting: Vox has a good summary.
  9. So the CDC apparently came out and advised that any woman of childbearing age not currently on birth control shouldn't drink. ever. not because you are pregnant but because becoming pregnant is not outside the realm of possibility. I saw this and immediately thought this sounded like something our fundie friends would say. bc not only is a pregnant woman's body merely a vessel for the child she's carrying, but all women's bodies are potential vessels and are thus rightly at all times subject to the scrutiny and control of others. what??? http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/02/02/cdc-urges-young-women-avoid-all-alcohol-unless-theyre-using-contraception/79701890/
  10. Chicken bones

    The male contraceptive pill

    An article on daily mail (yes, I know) about the new male contraceptive pill. Apparently, according to this expert MRA Paul Elam, 'the arrival of a male pill would mark the first time in history that men will be empowered to see themselves as near-full participants in reproductive choices,' he says. 'And it will force wider culture to see them in the same light too.' www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2519 ... z2mkENlJk9 Oh woe is men, and how us powerful women have ALWAYS controlled their sperm and legacies!
  11. Starcasm had an article today (http://starcasm.net/archives/292346) about Jim Bob Duggar being in the news a lot lately talking about The Pill and how it aborts babies. This is not true and has been discredited by The Mayo Clinic citing how that might have been the belief in the past but they've found it is not true. The Pill actually prevents the egg from implanting so no embryo or fetus is formed. I like how he mentions that it was a Christian doctor that explained it to them, as if a non-Christian dr wouldn't be as informed or something. Here's the blurb: ------------------------------- "Jim Bob Duggar says the pill is like abortion In real-time, the Duggars’ views on abortion have been in the spotlight for the past few weeks as the family rallies behind pro-life candidates hoping to win November elections. Following his daughter’s lead, Jim Bob is the latest to cause some controversy by saying the common birth control pill is “abortive.†“Something we didn’t know is that the pill can allow women to get pregnant, but then it can be aborted,†Jim Bob told The Friddle Show’s Krystal Heath in a newly published interview from September. “That’s what happened with Michelle. She went on the pill after Josh and then got pregnant, and then the pill actually caused a miscarriage. We started looking at the fine print of the contraception, and it said this could happen, and then we talked to a Christian doctor, and he explained this to us.†Jim Bob added that’s a reason Christians should be wary of the “liberal left,†which, he said, runs “legislation that’s just really in the face of Christians.†However, the vast majority of medical experts disagree with Jim Bob’s belief about the pill’s connection to miscarriages or “abortions.†From the Mayo Clinic… In the past, doctors had concerns that if you conceived immediately after stopping the pill, you had a higher risk of miscarriage. However, these concerns have proved to be largely unfounded. The hormones in birth control pills don’t linger in your system… If you continued taking your birth control pill because you didn’t realize you were pregnant, don’t be alarmed. Despite years of this accident happening, there’s very little evidence that exposure to the hormones in birth control pills causes birth defects." --------------------- Instead of getting the newest and most accurate medical information available on the subject, Jim Bob is out there on tv and giving interviews stating as a fact that the Pill causes abortion and therefore is B-A-D! That really frustrates me because I believe if someone is going to get out there and publicly state their views to the public about something so important, they have a responsibility to make sure what they saying is backed up by scientific fact. But then again, it's the Duggars we are talking about...when have they ever let scientific fact get in the way of their beliefs?
  12. Lori has a link to Stevie preaching against birth control. Lori's post: lorialexander.blogspot.com/2014/09/god-multiplied-our-conception.html Stevie's sermon: youtube.com/watch?v=XM9peQl4W-I My head just exploded that these two are in cahoots. Lori, honey, steven anderson would think you are a liberal instrument of satan. Do a TINY, itty bitty bit of research before you post. All you had to do was google "Faithful Word Baptist Church" and you may have thought differently about posting that video. Or maybe not. Maybe you're just as vile as PeePee and ZooZoo, but in pants.
  13. They say they're not judgmental, but I don't know who they're kidding since "I'm praying for you" in this context always has a unspoken "you sinner" attached to it. Courtney is young. They're going to end up with tons of kids. I always knew that this college ministry had a hardcore fundamentalist streak underneath it, but it's so weird to watch person after person I met there dress like hipsters but get more and more authoritarian and patriarchal in their theology. For me it's scary because it's a reminder that normal-seeming people can still have a fundamentalist agenda. hansgooger.com/2013/09/06/the-slow-steady-drip-of-gods-grace-and-birth-control/
  14. So I've been seeing so many posts about the new male birth control pill they're perfecting and projectig will be approved by the FDA in 2017. My question automatically is, what would fundies think about this? They can't say it's abortion. Their argument against the combination bc pill is that yes, it prevents ovulation... But on the off case that you ovulate anyways, the hormones in your body make it hard to sustain a pregnancy and you miscarry (ala Michelle miscarrying j'caleb). The male birth control pill won't have this effect though so there's no way to even argue that. No sperm, no fertilization... Thus no "life begins at conception". I know these people don't even use condoms but I'm interested to see if they ever comment on it. I could definitely see some fundie patriarchs struggling to afford the quiver sneakily taking these
  15. Has anyone else noticed that Boob and Mullet don't take responsbility or are held accountable for any of their actions? They always find someone else to blame. Take the J'Caleb miscarriage for example. They blamed that on the pill. Were they properly educated and told that many pregnancies end in miscarriage? Even without the pill. The J'Slaves feel they're responsible for Boob's awful eating habits and weight gain. You're not! Your father can make his own choices in what he eats, and how much. I wish Boob and Mullet would stop blaming others for every stupid thing they do.
  16. Just started with Jinger playing the piano and the journalist said this is as close to alone time as she gets. Now they are talking about Michelle being on BC. Now they are talking about people not having children. And the benefits of being childless. edited to add info and edit
  17. RR88

    Caleb

    I was watching some clips where Michelle talked about being pregnant with Jubilee. Why does she sometimes say she has 20 children, and sometimes she says she has 21? Does Caleb only count some of the time?
  18. As some of you may recall, I recently wrote about how Jennie Chancey's brief but tragic loss of high speed internet kept her out of the “Obamacare†Contraceptive debate. Chancey promised – or, more accurately, warned – this wouldn't be her last foray into into the discussion on birth control. As with her previous article, this latest effort is laced from beginning to end with nonsense – starting with the title: “Why the Contraception Debate Isn’t About 'Women’s Health'†Here, in the simplest terms I can use, is the problem with that title. 1) The process of pregnancy is a woman's health issue. 2) Avoiding pregnancy is also a woman's health issue. 3) Oral contraception, prescribed by doctors, is used primarily to prevent unwanted pregnancy. 4) The contraception debate is about women's health. Chancey claims to believe otherwise, however, arguing that the debate is really about who should have to pay for contraception – well that, and she also argues in earnest, as her title says, that oral contraception isn't a women's health issue. She writes... Actually, no; the debate is much wider than that: For Chancey and her fellow Randroids, it's about whether or not the state is obligated to pay for any kind of healthcare ever. This bit about oral contraceptives is simply a branch issue in which Chancey has a keen interest – an interest borne of her desire to control the private lives and beliefs of other women. Chancey nonetheless argues that the birth control-as-health-issue is “patent nonsense,†and goes on to quote from two different articles that are meant to provide evidence of her claims. The second of these articles is entirely irrelevant to this discussion. It concerns an Australian woman who allegedly died as a result of taking “the abortion pill.†I will not be addressing that because it has nothing to do with regular oral contraception or with conditions in the United States. I will, however, take on the first article. Chancey links to a piece written by Jacqueline Harvey, who suffers from endometriosis. The title of Harvey's article is, “Contraception Isn’t Healthcare; It Isn’t Even Helpful.†Harvey writes... Feminist blogger Amanda Marcotte has been covering this issue for a long time now. I don't always agree with what Marcotte has to say, but she has done a yeoman’s job paddling up the river of bullshit being produced by people such as Jennie Chancey and Jacqueline Harvey. I'll let her speak to Harvey's claim: Four Ways to Show How the "Religious Liberty" Claim Against Contraceptive Coverage Is Nonsense Birth Control Spawns Right Wing Hysteria Expanded Access to Contraception? No Wonder the Right is So Scared Harvey continues... Well, I'll give Harvey points for honesty. Let's unpack what she's saying: ** She flatly argues that because oral contraception didn't help her condition in a way that allowed her to continue bearing children, it simply doesn't work. ** She assumes that the people arguing that oral contraception has other medical uses than merely preventing pregnancy are “exploiting†her – i.e., Harvey's – condition. It never occurs to her that some of the women making that argument have themselves benefited from the use of contraceptives in treating symptoms of endometriosis. ** It never occurs to her that PCOS and menorrhagia can be successfully treated with oral contraceptives as well. ** She argues that oral contraception makes women unhealthy. ** She implies that women who use birth control primarily to prevent pregnancy or engaging in a morally questionable practice, which they are allegedly trying to hide. She is haunted by the idea that someone, somewhere is being treated with more dignity and respect than 'loose morals' should permit. In other words, Harvey's article is naval-gazing shite and Chancey favorably quoted it thinking that would somehow shore up her own bad arguments. After having quoted these portions of Harvey's article (along with the other one I mention above), Chancey then continues with her own illogical nonsense: Oh, wow. I know I should just stick to the arguments and take the high road, but Chancey's argument here is powerfully stupid. I suffered some serious injuries in a skydiving accident eight years ago that have left me with arthritis in my left ankle, which was crushed in a bad landing, as well as in my lower back. For this condition, I take a medication called Celebrex, the potential side-effects of which include, but are not limited to, GI bleeding, stomach ulcers, high blood pressure, and liver damage. But I judged that the improvements made to my quality of life outweigh the potential dangers of that medication. It's the same balancing act everyone with any kind of medical condition has to consider: Almost every medication has side effects, some of which can be terrible for a small number of people. If “Lack of Side Effects†were the bar by which medications must be measured before they can be released to the public, we'd be back to leeches, magic spells, and little else. So, in answer to Chancey's stupid question, doctors offer women oral contraceptives because those women either want to prevent pregnancy or because the use of said medication could help mitigate the effects of conditions such as menorrhagia. Women themselves are expected to weigh the pros and cons of each treatment plan and decide for themselves. I know! Women have moral agency and autonomy! Shocking! But Chancey is not done. She has one more thing to say: So, to clarify, one woman in Australia died from having taken an “abortion pill,†which means regular contraception is deadly not only to women but also to all these babies allegedly being killed by a pill that prevents ovulation. And yet she wonders why people are painting her and her fringe fighters as uneducated rubes.
  19. Jennie Chancey, still in Kenya, afflicting the people there – most of whom are already Christian - with her poisonous strain of bat-shit insanity, has a new article up at her comedy site, Ladies Against Feminism. It's called – and no, I'm not kidding - “The Long-Term Importance of Fertility.†(Now I wish to pause for a question: Who here thinks “fertility†is unimportant? As far as I know, the majority of FJ posters have children – so obviously even the Hive Vagina invests in the future.) Chancey begins her article with an explanation for why she hadn't weighed in on “Obama's Contraception Mandate†earlier - namely, that a ship accidentally dropped anchor on a cable that brings high-speed internet to Kenya, presumably reducing Chancey to the indignity of relying on dial-up. I wish to digress here for a moment, that I might present some facts about life in Kenya (as recorded in the CIA World Fact Book): Maternal mortality rate: 530 deaths per 100 000 live births (In comparison, the US has 24 deaths per 100 000 live births) Infant mortality rate: 43.6 deaths per 1000 live births (In comparison, the US has 5.98 deaths per 1000 live births) Life expectancy and sanitation in Kenya are actually advanced for a country in that region, although AIDS – you know, the killer STI that can be slowed with regular condom use – is still wreaking havoc there. But alas, Chancey couldn't bitch about American women having affordable access to birth control as soon as she heard the news, because her high speed access was cut off. Anyway, Chancey continues... ...and then I read an absurdly inaccurate article about how “Quiverfull†- a term Chancey should damned well be familiar with by now – allegedly refers to any woman with more than two children; when, in reality, it refers to women who eschew birth control for religious reasons, regardless of how many or how few children they have. Moreover, heaving read God only knows how many thousands of words as written by self-identified Quiverfullers, including the shoddy e-books they sell in an effort to make ends meet, I can attest that a lot of them are indeed suffering from severe fucking brain rot. Some of these lumps are homeschooling their kids when they can barely construct a meaningful sentence themselves. Whether that was the cause or the result of their idiotic decision to have more kids than they can safely house or properly feed is a question for psychologists to ponder. When an article pisses me off enough that I take the time to rebut it, I leave it open, save it as a file, or bookmark it. I guess Chancey was just too busy doing...uh...whatever the fuck she does – probably spreading Dominionism among the large protestant population in Kenya. Most feminists are mothers, and some of them are homemakers as well, with more than one child. Off the top of my head, in fact, I can think of two feminist homeschoolers who post on this very board. It pleases me to think most of these feminists aren't stacking their kids in a storage closet, however, where they sleep on Costo-brand metal shelving units four to a side. It should go without saying, but when you have so many kids you need to stack them like that in a poorly ventilated room so small most people would use it for their linens, then you have too damned many kids. Or when you have to have a series of online begathons – I'm looking at you, Chris and Wendy Jeub – where you guilt your readers into sending money because you can't afford to house and feed all those kids, then you have too damned many. And no, I wouldn't trust anyone that dumb with color coordination, let alone with child-rearing and homeschooling. When people accuse Qfers of brainlessness, it's not because they QFers have borne several children whom they raise at home. If that were the case, far more people would have been critical of the Duggars even during their very first special, which instead drew so much positive attention that other specials followed. They eventually got a television show and the quick-completion of their house as a result of the public good-will that kept viewers not only watching but also defending the Duggar lifestyle in fora across the internet. They had their nay-sayers, truly, but it wasn't until the Josie drama, when Michelle allowed her medically fragile preemie to be exposed to the cameras, that more people began to question the wisdom of having so many children. Chancey then goes on to describe children as “producers,†writing... Yes - healthy demographics mean long-term stability. One need only look to India and China – two countries with over a billion citizens each - to see what unhealthy demographics do. When there are that many people, water, food, and sanitation become major issues and widespread contamination leads not to healthy children but to dead ones. Because of China's (brutal) one-child policy, it doesn't make as good a case-study as India, so let's look at India: Maternal mortality rate: 230 deaths per 100 000 live births Infant mortality rate: 46 deaths per 1000 live births One physician per thousand people. One hospital bed per thousand people. 54% of the urban population has access to proper sanitation, and only 21% of the rural population. And here, quoted directly from the CIA World Factbook, is how that shakes out for the people living in India: India also has a 10.9% unemployment rate – and that statistic likely doesn't account for the chronic jobless, for homemakers, or for the homeless. I keep hearing all this talk about how all the people in the world could be crowded into a single US state – you know, if they were standing shoulder-to-shoulder, and perhaps stacked two-deep. To put it bluntly, then, I hope those people who don't “believe in†overpopulation – you know, the ones who haven't a clue about the need for land and infrastructure to support nearly 8 billion people – grow to enjoy the idea of cannibalism. Because that's all the food and water they'd ever get if they actually tried to cram people together in the scenarios they use in an effort to discredit the biologists and climate scientists who warn of the danger we're in. Chancey continues... Sustainably provide? If the birthrate in China were the same as the birthrate in India, they'd be hard-pressed to sustain the lives of their children, let alone their elders. Infrastructure, remember? People need potable water to survive and good sanitation to thrive. Without the former, they're dead; and without the later, sickly. And in India, where there's one doctor and one hospital bed per thousand people, the elderly who become sick either from natural causes or because of bad sanitation will have nowhere to go for treatment. They won't be sustained. They'll die. Let me repeat that for the QFers who read here: They. Will. Die. I'll grant that some of them have. The Duggars certainly did. But there are a lot of Qfers who didn't. They aren't raising little entrepreneurs. They're warehousing kids who can barely read – the future burger flippers of America, assuming they're employable at all. Fecundity? Yes. Having more kids than you can feed? No. Having a much larger population than an aging infrastructure can handle? Again, no. Oh, very: It shows your arrogance. The Bible says what happens during famine and during judgement: The more kids you have, the more you'll have to eat – so I guess you have that going for you. Oh, really? “Biblical Womanhoodâ€: 612 Amazon.com book hits 652 000 site hits on Google (and yes, the term was limited within quotation marks) Chancey and her people 'encourage' these women to surround themselves and their children with nothing but the sorts of preapproved materials that appeared in my searches. 'Stay away from TV. Stay away from movies. Stay away from concerts. Isolate yourselves for the Greater Glory of God.' 'Or go to Hell for all eternity.' Oh no, that's not brainwashing at all. Cultural suicide? So this really isn't about world demographics at all, but rather about one very specific demographic: While Islam waxes, Christianity wanes. While parts of Africa and Asia are awash in people, Europe and North America are reproducing at below replacement volume. One would think a person who believes so strongly in God's providence (and probably in predestination, as well) would be less fearful of the Muslim hordes – but no; she's afraid. She is so afraid that she would rather see tens of thousands die by the edicts of her idiot leaders than she would that her kind might become an actual minority (instead of just the one they pretend to be each year during the obligatory “War on Christmas.â€) She would rather watch the world burn than ever live to see the day when mosques outnumber churches. Feminism, at its core, is the radical belief that women are people. Wherever this belief permeates, the standard of living begins to go up for everyone – men, women, and children. Feminism can coexist quite comfortably with a woman's personal belief in “Biblical headship†just so long as she and her husband understand this is a choice they are making for themselves, rather than it being one they can force on others. So yes, SAHMs, homeschoolers, QFers, do use your brains in raising your children. I'm serious. I'm begging you. Do that. But remember, room and resources on this planet are finite.
  20. A friend just posted this on FB, and I had to share! Too funny. Michelle Duggar and her husband Jim Bob, the stars of TLC’s “19 Kids and Countingâ€, were watching the evening news one night last week when a report on a recently proposed bill to limit employer coverage of contraception came on. “Jim Bob tried to change the channel, like he always does when something upsetting comes on the news,†said Michelle, “but for some reason, I stopped him. The urge to find out what that story was about was so strong that I wrestled the remote right out of his hand.†Duggar now believes this sudden impulse was an act of God. Watching the news, she was stunned to learn that there are methods currently available for preventing pregnancy. “There are apparently pills, and barrier devices, and all sorts of other wonderful ways that can keep your female organs from becoming a revolving door for miracle after God’s blessed miracle,†she said. “I mean, can you imagine the freedom of being able to control the number of births you have? Praise the Lord!†Her husband opened his mouth to comment, and she slapped him hard across the face. “I shouted at him, ‘Jim Bob, did you know it didn’t have to be this way?!’†she said. “I mean, here I’ve been wearing maternity pants for two decades. I’ve breastfed enough kids for an ice-hockey team. It didn’t seem right somehow, but I figured that was God’s plan: for my body to be a baby factory. For my female parts to function as a portal from another world filled with tiny beings whose names start with the letter ‘J’.†Jim Bob cowered next to her on the couch and covered his head as his wife continued. “And now I’m learning that God’s plan could have included me being able to sleep in for one $*#(@!ing morning in the last twenty years?!†she said, her voice rising to a shriek. While much of Michelle’s commentary after that point involved language that cannot be printed in this newspaper, she did have one statement that she wanted to make sure was published. “Women,†she said, standing in the middle of the living room with one foot planted firmly on Jim Bob’s neck as a dozen children of various ages crouched around them and whimpered in fear, “I know now that we have a choice. It may be too late for me—but it is not too late for many of you. Don’t let this terrible legislation pass. Stand up for yourselves, and for your right to be provided with the medical resources and dignity that you, as human beings, deserve.†As of press time, Duggar had filed for separation from Jim Bob and scheduled an appointment to be fitted with an IUD. http://www.freewoodpost.com/2012/03/12/michelle-duggar-weighs-in-on-contraception-debate-why-did-no-one-tell-me-about-contraception/
  21. Deleted07

    Duggar Caleb?

    Ok so are the Duggars just full of crap when it comes to the first miscarried baby that they presumably named Caleb, or what? Because this article was posted on their TLC blog and facebook page, and it doesn't actually say they even named the fetus, just that they were going to name another child Caleb if they had one, but then skips to naming John David and Jana... http://parentables.howstuffworks.com/fa ... pgn=fbtlc1 Also noticed (old news I know) on the Today show interview they were apart of Michelle slipped with the whole, I have 10 boys and 10 girls thing too... Curiouser and Curiouser...
  22. was exactly like President Obama's new policy back when he was governor of Arkansas. http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/15 ... s-20120216 Now Mike Huckabee is saying how President Obama's mandate is an attack on religious freedom and saying how "We Are All Catholics Now."
  23. onlysaneperson

    Men's Rights Movement?

    Hey everyone, I'm finally delurking. I found this whilst reading BBC news: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16592633 Anyone know if there's any reverse biological determinism going on here? It'd be interesting to know if they construe "reproductive power" as a reason for their matriarchal society.
  24. movement. Author of the article is basically called a selfish murder in the comments section for wanting to limit family size. ...and they wonder why I am so staunchly pro-choice. http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2011/11/ ... ull-of-it/
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