Abortion clinic buffer zone violates First Amendment

[Chowder Head]

So the 35 foot space violates the spesful snowflake hate speech but what is the difference between the 35 foot buffer zone for clinics and say the more than twice that for voting areas?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/abortion-cl ... eme-court/

[doggie]

where does free speech mean you have the right to get into someones face? this really sucks and people are going to die because of it.

[DGayle]

I wish clinics could all have a private parking area where you have to have an appointment to drive into, and that those parking areas could have a direct door inside, so that protesters can be banned. Back when I was 100% prolife, the only place I could afford my feminine care was at Planned Parenthood. Thankfully I never encountered protesters, but it was a worry. Don't those protesters realize they could be protesting someone going there for prenatal care too?

What kind of country are we in when the 1st amendment is used to protect Westboro and to allow protesters to get in your face, yet doing the same to a politician would get you arrested?

[Coco]

On the Newshour tonight they showed an example of the 35-ft. buffer and it is still fairly close to the door. i go to Planned Parenthood for BC, it's only about $10/month for me through them, and the local office isn't a surgical clinic and doesn't even offer the starting-a-late-period pill. But yet they are kind of hidden in a corner of the city, in an alley, and have a double door where you have to be buzzed in. It's crazy. In our entire state there is only one Planned Parenthood to go for the late period pill or an actual surgery, and they make you do a two-appointment process with a day in between (and not allowed to be over a weekend) for any procedure. (I'm sure that wealthier people could find a doctor closer who could do for instance an ectopic procedure.) I'm against abortion except for extreme cases but it's kind of ridiculous the hoops that women have to jump through especially if they are in terrible situations.

I do have to say though that in our state the benefits side of things is very lenient. We had to be on assistance for a while (SNAP and Medicaid) and the people were genuinely nice and helpful. So there's that going for people here who have unplanned children to raise, at least.

[notsocommon]

So, does this meas that protesters can get right in people's faces, now?

[Mecca]

I think people have the right to receive medical care without fear and intimidation.

This particular Roberts led court sure is producing some rather questionable decisions. It seems they are hell bent on sending us back in time in some areas.

[E Street Fan]

It has to be said: How long will it be before some forced-birth, antichoice zealot with a gun decides to make a point Scott Roeder-style?

[ADoyle90815]

I wish clinics could all have a private parking area where you have to have an appointment to drive into, and that those parking areas could have a direct door inside, so that protesters can be banned. Back when I was 100% prolife, the only place I could afford my feminine care was at Planned Parenthood. Thankfully I never encountered protesters, but it was a worry. Don't those protesters realize they could be protesting someone going there for prenatal care too?

What kind of country are we in when the 1st amendment is used to protect Westboro and to allow protesters to get in your face, yet doing the same to a politician would get you arrested?

Exactly. There's still the buffer zone outside the Supreme Court building, yet 97 out of 100 women going to Planned Parenthood are going there for regular checkups, cancer screenings, and yes, prenatal care.

[doggie]

rachel maddow did a good show tonight on this. talking about the buffer zone around the supreme court funerals polling stations and such.

[Stephanie66]

I did this whole big post that got eaten.

Nutshell: No one should get yelled at, touched, crowded, or have literature or pictures shoved in their faces EVER. This would especially be true for a woman getting health care.

If anything, I am becoming MORE pro-choice because of all of these laws restricting abortion and shaming women.

[polecat]

Is there a buffer zone around the churches that send their protesters? This blog makes an excellent point.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2014/06/ ... en-at.html

These people claim to have so much respect for life, but they use pictures of dead and bloodied babies (and from what I've heard, some are from stillbirths and miscarriages -- not abortion, but I don't have a link to back up that claim) to bully other people. Yeah, that's respectful, all right. Sure as shooting not respectful of those babies or their parents.

[pennsatuckey]

Is there a buffer zone around the churches that send their protesters? This blog makes an excellent point.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2014/06/ ... en-at.html

There's a planned parenthood in a strip mall about five miles from my house. I have never seen protesters there. Maybe that's because they only offer medical (drug-induced) abortions, maybe it's because people around here are fine with letting others live their lives or maybe it's because it blends really well into the strip mall. idk. But just across the river, protesters at THAT planned parenthood are rabid. They have vans covered with 6' high pictures of "aborted" babies (questionable origin, from what I've read) and pace around wearing sandwich boards screaming at passing traffic. The last time we went to the zoo, we drove past them on the way home. I'd totally forgotten about the shit show, and I was sooo pissed because I did not want my kids to be subjected to that.

These people claim to have so much respect for life, but they use pictures of dead and bloodied babies (and from what I've heard, some are from stillbirths and miscarriages -- not abortion, but I don't have a link to back up that claim) to bully other people. Yeah, that's respectful, all right. Sure as shooting not respectful of those babies or their parents.

People like that came to my college campus back in April and set up this gory display smack dab in the middle of campus in the free speech zone. My campus' ISO (International Socialist Org) and FMLA (Feminist Majority Leadership Association) groups set up tables a few feet ahead of the group, called Justice For All (they visit annually, as I've learned, and are based out of Colorado) to pass out pro-choice literature and notify other students who might be triggered by anything associated with the display. I was passing out pamphlets with the ISO and made the mistake of engaging with one of the protestors. I scared him pretty badly, though. He didn't have an answer for anything I had to say.

This also happened when I was in high school and some protestors came to my high school campus. I engaged with a protestor (because I'm that kind of angsty feminist) and he illegally filmed me (I was a minor) and posted it on the internet without my consent and was supposedly making some sort of money off of it (to quote him "I do this for a living" :x ). Ugh.

My local Planned Parenthood is the last bastion of sexual and reproductive healthcare in my college town. Although there aren't any protestors there because the center simply can't afford to provide abortions due to funding cuts, there are also no other providers of reproductive healthcare for low income residents.

The only abortion provider was chased out by Mark Crutcher, who works for Life Dynamics, which operates out of my friggin' college town. Apparently, Crutcher and his cronies doxxed the provider and put all of her personal info on the now defunct Nuremberg List, which called for the killing of abortion providers. Life Dynamics also has a local crisis pregnancy center dedicated to providing scared, low-income pregnant people incorrect "medical" information to scare them into keeping pregnancies.

Needless to say, I'm beyond displeased with the SCOTUS decision... considering that they struck down the law from behind their own much larger buffer zone.

:angry-banghead:

[RachelB]

So the 35 foot space violates the spesful snowflake hate speech but what is the difference between the 35 foot buffer zone for clinics and say the more than twice that for voting areas?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/abortion-cl ... eme-court/

Seriously. When I did anti-war leafletting outside the local federal building, we were not allowed on federal building property. Nor were we allowed to block the sidewalk.

There was no rule against walking with someone so long as we weren't impeding their progress or straying onto federal property. If someone had already said, "not interested, thanks," I didn't argue, though some of my co-leafletters thought I should. I thought it was needlessly aggressive to ignore a "no," or to presume that a person didn't have good reasons for believing as they already did. I might have had the legal right to be a jerk, but I thought it was important not to exercise that right.

It is important to me to treat people as moral agents, capable of making their own decisions and considering whatever the consequences of those decisions might be. And I don't think a choice made under extreme duress, intimidation, threat of harm, or absence of other options is a real choice.

[Childless]

It's these same protestors who will rant and rave at a woman for being on welfare after the child, that they coerced her to have, is born. Guess they aren't so much pro-life as pro-birth. Once that kid is here, well, it can just starve to death to save them some tax money.

And the pro-lifers wonder why no one takes them seriously.

[doggie]

I know they want that baby born and they don't care about the consequences and why should they they dont know the woman from eve. Their self importance has taken them past all reason and logic like a 2 year old who can't have a toy. Now I am rattling

[Chowder Head]

I know they want that baby born and they don't care about the consequences and why should they they dont know the woman from eve. Their self importance has taken them past all reason and logic like a 2 year old who can't have a toy. Now I am rattling

There is room under the desk..I have cookies and wine.

[DGayle]

So, does this meas that protesters can get right in people's faces, now?

Yes. They can't TOUCH you, but they can get up in your face and try to stand in the way. And if YOU touch THEM, well that's assault.

[DGayle]

If anything, I am becoming MORE pro-choice because of all of these laws restricting abortion and shaming women.

Me too.

[DGayle]

Is there a buffer zone around the churches that send their protesters? This blog makes an excellent point.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2014/06/ ... en-at.html

These people claim to have so much respect for life, but they use pictures of dead and bloodied babies (and from what I've heard, some are from stillbirths and miscarriages -- not abortion, but I don't have a link to back up that claim) to bully other people. Yeah, that's respectful, all right. Sure as shooting not respectful of those babies or their parents.

You think these protesters care about respecting the parents? :(

[notsocommon]

Yes. They can't TOUCH you, but they can get up in your face and try to stand in the way. And if YOU touch THEM, well that's assault.

That sucks.

[polecat]

You think these protesters care about respecting the parents? :(

Obviously not.

My point was that they claim to have all this respect for "life" bullshit, but they don't actually respect anyone but themselves -- including those aborted fetuses they're constantly going on about.

[salex]

They are not pro life nor pro birth, they are all about forcing women who dare to have sex to have babies.

After all, per Genesis, big headed babies are women's punishment for having sex. LIke people in bygone eras who questioned if lightening rods were trying to circumvent god's punishment by protecting people from being struck by lightening, these people see abortion as women trying to get out of their just punishment for having sex. Afterall, if she were a good christian woman having sex only with her husband within the marriage she would never need an abortion, nor contraceptives. Any woman who wants either clearly is a evil sinner who deserves whatever punishment she gets.

Bah, humbug.