SOTDRT Textbooks

[Anise]

The video does not state it, but these same textbooks published by Bob Jones University Press and A Beka Books are often used by conservative Christian homeschoolers.

http://vimeo.com/43687872#

Some highlights:

-“Roses are red, violets are blue; they both grow better with more CO2.â€

-“God used the ‘Trail of Tears’ to bring many Indians to Christâ€

-“Through the Negro spiritual, slaves developed patience to wait on the Lord and discovered that the truest freedom is freedom from the bondage of sin.â€

It really must be seen to be believed. Because it gets worse- much much worse.

[kunoichi66]

The video does not state it, but these same textbooks published by Bob Jones University Press and A Beka Books are often used by conservative Christian homeschoolers.

http://vimeo.com/43687872#

Some highlights:

-“Roses are red, violets are blue; they both grow better with more CO2.â€

-“God used the ‘Trail of Tears’ to bring many Indians to Christâ€

-“Through the Negro spiritual, slaves developed patience to wait on the Lord and discovered that the truest freedom is freedom from the bondage of sin.â€

It really must be seen to be believed. Because it gets worse- much much worse.

:orcs-buttshake: That is my only answer to that.

[Witsec7]

I know a woman whose daughter works/teaches at some 'day care' chain in Texas. The chain, lists itself as an 'academy', their curriculum is A Beka. When I spoke to the woman about the curriculum and her daughter 'teaching' (with only a HS degree) I got no response. I did try to prod the convo to find out what methods of discipline were used (the daughter is a spanker) she said she wouldn't comment.

[Sweetpea1]

no no no no no no .... just no.

[quinoa mama]

Wow, wow.

-Dinosaurs walked the earth with humans.

-Global warming is a myth.

-The Great Depression was exaggerated to bring socialism to the US.

-Unions want to destroy our country.

-Hooray Regan. Boo, Clinton. (So much for allowing high schoolers to decide for themselves.)

-The following are false religions: Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Catholics, Christian Scientists, and Unitarians. (Such a weird thing to include in a textbook.

-Modern Africa needs the gospel and more missions. This was written in 2004. Only a tiny percentage of Africans are Christian. (Wrong) Only 10% of Africans are literate. (Wrong) Mission schools were shut down by Communists.

-African American slaves discovered that true freedom is freedom from the bondage of sin.

-KKK in southern states were a reform group fighting the decline in morality. Targets included bootleggers, wife beaters, and immoral movies.

[quinoa mama]

Where does this idea that the Klan was a good, moral group come from? I ask because I live in SC and I have heard several old, white people say that. Are they just trying to justify something they supported in the past did the Klan have a side job where they actually did some good stuff? I have seen or read anything about a Klan of good deeds except from these old people and now these textbooks. Usually there is a glimmer of truth to these sorts of stories.

To be clear, I am not defending the KKK. I am just curious where this idea originated.

[teddybear]

The county where my family is from in southeast Missouri was primarily white after the Civil War. The Klan was quite active in the area and it was pretty much a vigilante organization. They did some killings, mostly over perceived slights that took place during the war. They were still killing folks for stuff that happened in the war up until the 1930's! The Klan would horsewhip or otherwise abuse anyone who didn't meet an arbitrary list of social mores and rules. Any slight positive influence of the Klan was more than offset by the evil committed in it's name.

[samurai_sarah]

Wow, wow.

-Dinosaurs walked the earth with humans.

-Global warming is a myth.

-The Great Depression was exaggerated to bring socialism to the US.

-Unions want to destroy our country.

-Hooray Regan. Boo, Clinton. (So much for allowing high schoolers to decide for themselves.)

-The following are false religions: Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Catholics, Christian Scientists, and Unitarians. (Such a weird thing to include in a textbook.

-Modern Africa needs the gospel and more missions. This was written in 2004. Only a tiny percentage of Africans are Christian. (Wrong) Only 10% of Africans are literate. (Wrong) Mission schools were shut down by Communists.

-African American slaves discovered that true freedom is freedom from the bondage of sin.

-KKK in southern states were a reform group fighting the decline in morality. Targets included bootleggers, wife beaters, and immoral movies.

[smores]

I will never forget my 8th grade Abeka textbook, Matter and Motion in God's Universe. Highlights include:

-A cartoon guy in a lab coat telling a little boy how fossils and evolution are circular reasoning

-Dinosaurs being killed in the flood, I think.

We were still taught Civics (this was 2001/2002) and Reagan was championed in my US history book. There were maybe 5 discussions on Clinton, all focused on "bad" things.

I still have it in a closet at my parents' house and if ever given the opportunity, I will make sure to bring it back and scan it. Ironically I attended a very liberal magnet school for high school, thank goodness.

[Swamptribe]

We get the Abeka books in at work all the time. I'll have to pay more attention to the contents in the future.

[SisiL78]

Its worse than I thought.

You'd get a better education at some of the worst inner city schools in they country then you would at the SOTDRT.

There is NO WAY that the Duggars are even close to 50 percent on the state standardized tests unless they posses some super human ability to guess multiple choice answers.

Has any survey been done to look at how many good intentioned (want my kids to get a better education and they really are getting that) versus fundy intentioned (I will keep my kids away from the evil world and keep them ignorant so that they can never leave this way of life) homeschoolers there are? I have a feeling that the latter make up a bigger percentage. Until there are some real controls put in place to protect children from fundy parents who will not give them any education kids have to be required by law to attend an accredited school whether it be private or public. Honestly, there's no excuse for kids to be taught this bullsh*t in this day and age.

[smores]

My mom had good intentions and for all the crap in Abeka books, their math books were always very easy to understand. It was just utter crap in all the others that you can't preview until you've already bought the damn book, I think... IIRC you have to order the sets via internet/mail or know someone who has the exact books you're buying. (We did video school for the one year at my house, and there was no way to not order through them. The books were so expensive for what they were, we would have been better off in private school.)

[fluttershies]

What the hell at the comments about Africa. Did they miss the bit in Acts where the Ethiopian converts? And the fact that historically Africa has been heavily Christian and the home of most Coptic Christians? But then they probably consider Coptics not to be true Christians, because if Catholicism is a false religion than Orthodoxy certainly is.

[CrazySister]

Its worse than I thought.

You'd get a better education at some of the worst inner city schools in they country then you would at the SOTDRT.

There is NO WAY that the Duggars are even close to 50 percent on the state standardized tests unless they posses some super human ability to guess multiple choice answers.

Has any survey been done to look at how many good intentioned (want my kids to get a better education and they really are getting that) versus fundy intentioned (I will keep my kids away from the evil world and keep them ignorant so that they can never leave this way of life) homeschoolers there are? I have a feeling that the latter make up a bigger percentage. Until there are some real controls put in place to protect children from fundy parents who will not give them any education kids have to be required by law to attend an accredited school whether it be private or public. Honestly, there's no excuse for kids to be taught this bullsh*t in this day and age.

Yeah, there's such an enormous difference between my cousins who were homeschooled in order to actually get an education vs SODRT! All of them were told from a very early age that college was mandatory. All of them recieved full-ride scholarships to their first choice which also happened to be some of the best schools in the country, not Podunk U. And then there are the Duggars.

[Anise]

Its worse than I thought.

You'd get a better education at some of the worst inner city schools in they country then you would at the SOTDRT.

There is NO WAY that the Duggars are even close to 50 percent on the state standardized tests unless they posses some super human ability to guess multiple choice answers.

I should qualify this: I have been through some of those textbooks myself (mainly Bob Jones for the social sciences and a few of the Abeka textbooks for science), and while there are plenty of disturbing bits in them, it's not *all* like that. I did score something around 690 on the SAT II for US History after just completing the Bob Jones US history text (although I seem to remember that the questions I didn't know where those I wouldn't have learned from such a conservative Christian text- like who wrote Silent Spring). But it does scare me to think I learned some of this and don't remember it. I'd hate to think it affects me today. :shock:

[doggie]

and we wonder why fundies say what they say and act like they do. mystery solved.

[Little_Eyes]

and we wonder why fundies say what they say and act like they do. mystery solved.

I've wondered how the indoctrination works. Well if people take their texts as fact (which they OUGHT to be) then it's one sip of the kool aid every single day for 13 years. Plus Pearl parenting, and ant-science and exploratory preaching, well, it is one more piece of the puzzle.

[Anise]

I've wondered how the indoctrination works. Well if people take their texts as fact (which they OUGHT to be) then it's one sip of the kool aid every single day for 13 years. Plus Pearl parenting, and ant-science and exploratory preaching, well, it is one more piece of the puzzle.

I completely agree. I think one of the few advantages I had which allowed me to get beyond this education was because I was not restricted to a specific reading list- so as a kid, I read actual science books from the library. Many of the fundies discussed here are not allowed that.

[Little_Eyes]

I completely agree. I think one of the few advantages I had which allowed me to get beyond this education was because I was not restricted to a specific reading list- so as a kid, I read actual science books from the library. Many of the fundies discussed here are not allowed that.

My own experiences echo this. Reading, really, truly, honestly, changed my life.

[smores]

My own experiences echo this. Reading, really, truly, honestly, changed my life.

Ditto both of you. I was curious and not restricted in my reading, though I was not raised fundie. I am more educated than anyone else in my family.

[GenerationCedarchip]

Where does this idea that the Klan was a good, moral group come from? I ask because I live in SC and I have heard several old, white people say that. Are they just trying to justify something they supported in the past did the Klan have a side job where they actually did some good stuff? I have seen or read anything about a Klan of good deeds except from these old people and now these textbooks. Usually there is a glimmer of truth to these sorts of stories.

To be clear, I am not defending the KKK. I am just curious where this idea originated.

That idea came up at my church when I was a kid, and my grandmother quickly disabused us of the notion of the Klan being a noble group. She said that in rural VA, the Klan was a bunch of ruffians who burned houses and hurt people. Per my grandma, they were only good in the way that the mobsters who terrorized shop owners by demanding "protection" and carrying out hits on those who crossed them might also be the same guys who brought around Christmas food boxes in the neighborhood.

[SisiL78]

The fact is that even the most evil person/organization occasionally does something nice. The idea that the Klan could be justified because at some point they helped someone is sickening. Or the idea that all those Native Americans who were murdered can be justified because some of them became Christians.

What I found interesting was the entry on Unitarians. It seems like they were trying to insult them by saying, I paraphrase, that they rejected a diety and instead tried to live by good deeds and Jesus's teachings. If living by the teachings of Jesus is a negative thing according to some fundies then by whose teachings are they modeling their lives? Seriously, here I am an ignorant Jew who apparently thought that all this time they were trying to be Christlike and that's apparently not what they are doing? It explains why they fail to be charitable, understanding, loving, or peaceful.... The fundy doublespeak confuses the sh*t out of me sometimes.

[smores]

Holy shit! I just went to watch the video.. I knew those history quotes were familiar. 50% of them were from the book, America Land I Love, my 8th grade history book. How did I go on to pass AP tests and college history classes?

ETA I went to a respectable college, not a fundie college. Fully accredited and ranked, very large state school. So it's still surprising I passed.

[Bloo]

I'm baffled at the idea that slavery was positive because it taught black people to be patient. That's just....that's just so offensive that I can't even formulate a comment on that.

If I'm to understand correctly, though, the Duggars don't use these books, right? What, are they too liberal for them? If that's the case, I'd hate to see what Switched-On Schoolhouse "teaches."

[smores]

I would assume the Duggars do not spend much time on history, social studies or geography considering their belief that everyone could fit/live in Jacksonville.