Capt. Dougie Issues His Own Press Release!

[twin2]

Cpt. Dougie issued a press release about his Titanic Dress-up Party (visionforum.com/news/blogs/doug/)

And since I know you are all dying to know about what:

PRESS RELEASE: As ‘Titanimania’ Heightens, Ship’s ‘Women and Children First’ Legacy Should Rule, Says Titanic OrganizerBRANSON, MO — April 11, 2012 — In a week dominated by Titanic film specials, tribute cruises, artifact auctions, music extravaganzas, and culinary recreations of Titanic’s last meal, the organizer of Titanic 100: An International Centennial Event — to be held on April 12-15 in Branson, Missouri — has declared that Titanic’s legacy of “women and children first†should be foremost in focus as the ship’s story is remembered.

“As Titanimania reaches its zenith, the world would do well to honor Titanic’s most important legacy — that in the midst of this great maritime tragedy, the Christian doctrine of ‘women and children first’ was firmly upheld,†noted Doug Phillips President of Vision Forum and Founder of the Christian Boy’s and Men’s Titanic Society.

Ah, screw honoring the memory of those who died a horrible death! We must take this time for a bunch of men to play dress-up and pat themselves on the back.

I'm sure there is much more fail in there, but I'm fresh out of Advil. But here is a little hidden gem:

To interview Doug Phillips about the Titanic 100 Celebration, contact Wesley S******* by e-mail at**** or by phone at ************.

Think he'd grant us interview? :think:

**Doug Phillips is a tool**

[Anise]

I see they're celebrating the luxurious lifestyle of the first class of the Titanic. There's an irony in here somewhere.

[Buzzard]

"Titanimania?" That sounds like some sort of animated show involving giants... WTF?

Doug Phillips is a tool

[snarkbillie]

"Titanimania?" That sounds like some sort of animated show involving giants... WTF?

Doug Phillips is a tool

I "chunked" it wrong when trying to sound it out and assumed it had something to do with animation containing breasts.

[Buzzard]

I "chunked" it wrong when trying to sound it out and assumed it had something to do with animation containing breasts.

I kind of pictures giants a la carebears... sliding down rainbows and shit. I can do giant tits sliding down rainbows singing carebear music shooting little hearts. Totally dougie appropriate!

[justlurking]

I see they're celebrating the luxurious lifestyle of the first class of the Titanic. There's an irony in here somewhere.

I agree. Instead of showing pictures of first-class cabins Dougie should be showing pictures of the steerage rooms...the only type of rooms he and his followers could probably afford had they been living back then.

[snarkbillie]

I kind of pictures giants a la carebears... sliding down rainbows and shit. I can do giant tits sliding down rainbows singing carebear music shooting little hearts. Totally dougie appropriate!

Exactly!

[gardenvarietycitizen]

I guess... I've read Doug's blog for a while (got into it when I found his coverage of the Peter Bradrick/Kelly Brown wedding, was horrified, got addicted) so I have some idea of what he's all about, and so I shouldn't be surprised, but...

Of ALL the fascinating and interesting stories about the Titanic (and as I posted on another thread, I quite enjoy engineering disaster stories) WHY on earth is this "women and children first" supposedly the main thing to remember about it? Even IF you want to take it at face value even, how is that even remotely close to the most interesting thing?

Why not some lessons about why hubris is a bad thing? I'm thinking Doug might learn something if he thought about that for a bit.

(Because Doug Phillips is a tool.)

[fluttershies]

mariemadelinestudio.typepad.com/mariemadeline_studio/2012/04/setting-sail.html

Sigh....the family behind one of my favourite fabric blogs/online shops is attending Titanic 100. I knew they were in Missouri and they're friends with the Coghlans from LiaS but somehow didn't connect the VF dots :roll:

[Swamptribe]

This sounds like a much more interesting event.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/11/world/asi ... hpt=hp_bn2

[Visionoyahweh]

Think he'd grant us interview?

I've had good luck in this area. Maybe I can call and get an interview? I'll be a reporter from Man's Man Magazine* that need to learn male bonding during dangerous situations.

*A gay porn mag, of course.

[PennySycamore]

Go for it, Visionoyahweh!

[sage]

I don't have a whole lot to add, except for: :doh:

And:

Doug Phillips is a tool.

[Linnea]

Hasn't he figured out yet that "celebration" is not the word to use for the anniversary of a tragic accident in which many people lost their lives?

[twin2]

I've had good luck in this area. Maybe I can call and get an interview? I'll be a reporter from Man's Man Magazine* that need to learn male bonding during dangerous situations.

*A gay porn mag, of course.

Well we would defiantly need a man to do it, lord knows he wouldn't grant one to a woman.

**Doug Phillips is a tool**

[aubrietta]

since when is "women & children first" a *Christian* rule. Is that in the bible somewhere and I missed it? Pretty sure there's more stories about women being raped and children being killed in the bible than there is about them being first to be saved.

[gardenvarietycitizen]

since when is "women & children first" a *Christian* rule. Is that in the bible somewhere and I missed it? Pretty sure there's more stories about women being raped and children being killed in the bible than there is about them being first to be saved.

I wonder about this too - I know Vision Forum is all about the rigid gender roles, but WHY is Doug so obsessed with this "women and children first" thing? What makes it supposedly "Christian" and why is it supposedly so damn important? Is it about telling girls they don't need to aspire to economic self-sufficiency because SEE, look, we'll have the boys protect you, or what?

[ladypuglover]

Doug Phillips is a tool

[Nothing2CHere]

So, last night my husband and I went to a presentation about the Titanic at our local library. Ironically, it was called "Women and Children First." The main reason we went was because the presenter is a friend of ours. He's very knowledgeable about the Titanic, especially since he spent six months as an actor in "Titanic: The Exhibition." So he's done a lot of studying about the Titanic, has actually gotten to see some of the artifacts in person and learn about them, etc.

He started the presentation off by explaining where exactly this whole "women and children first" mantra came from. It was 1852, on a ship called the Birkenhead. According to the story my friend told, there weren't enough lifeboats on board, and when the ship wrecked and had to be abandoned, the captain pretty much threatened his crew that the women and children were to be boarded into the lifeboats first, and if any men tried to get in there with them, he'd personally shoot them.

Also, according to my friend, the main reason most of the men who refused to get into lifeboats on the Titanic wasn't because of their Strong Christian Principles or their Chivalry; it was to protect their reputations. These men were the wealthy business owners who knew their reputations and their fortunes would be ruined if they tried to save themselves. There was one man my friend talked about, I forget his name but he was Japanese, who was in the water and still alive as a lifeboat passed him. According to the story my friend told, the few men in the lifeboat didn't want to save him (because he was Japanese), but the women in the lifeboat insisted. And because they saved him, he was able to help them row their boat to the Carpathian and was essentially a hero, because they might not have been able to row the boat without his help (I wish I remembered the specific details of why he was so fundamental to them getting to the Carpathian after all). And yet, he was considered a coward in his native Japan and lived the rest of his life in disgrace, because he survived while women and children didn't.

ETA: Oh, I forgot one other tidbit I wanted to share with FJ. At that time, a "child" if you were male was considered age 6 and under. If you were between the ages of 6 and 16, you were considered a "boy" and wore short pants. Your 16th birthday was a special occasion because it's the day you went from wearing short pants to long pants and thus became a "man."

[tropaka]

I started/posted another thread yesterday, but Swedish (?) researchers also cited that the captain of the Titanic ordered that men trying to get into lifeboats ahead of women/children be shot. I think that kind of puts the kibosh on the idea of chivalry etc.

[jaynie]

There was one man my friend talked about, I forget his name but he was Japanese, who was in the water and still alive as a lifeboat passed him. According to the story my friend told, the few men in the lifeboat didn't want to save him (because he was Japanese), but the women in the lifeboat insisted. And because they saved him, he was able to help them row their boat to the Carpathian and was essentially a hero, because they might not have been able to row the boat without his help (I wish I remembered the specific details of why he was so fundamental to them getting to the Carpathian after all).

I heard a similar story, but I hadn't heard about any women on the lifeboat. As far as I know fifth officer Lowe gathered some half-filled lifeboats together and put as many people as possible in one so that the other could be used for rescue (the story I heard said it was mostly whatever men were on the boats, to facilitate rescue, but who knows? It wouldn't be uncommon to ignore the presence of women at the time). They found the Japanese man struggling weakly in the water but Lowe said to ignore him as he was nearly dead and there were better people to save. In the story I read it just says that Lowe changed his mind (this could well have been at the insistence of the women you mentioned) and fished him out of the water. They thought he was pretty much dead at this point, but put some blankets over him just in case it helped. After a few minutes, he sprang up and started rowing quite vigorously, apparently prompting Lowe to say that he'd changed his mind and would save more men like him any day. I do know that Lowe was regarded as a hero (and rightly so) because he kept his head in the panic and was I think the only one to actually make an effort to save people from the water, but it's very telling that the story of the Japanese man is usually only told in the "wasn't it good of Lowe to change his mind" sense, rather than the "look at this helpful person with remarkable endurance" sense.

(The Japanese man is in a deleted scene in the 1999 movie, but Cameron conveniently skipped over the racist bit, probably because it was a movie about good guys and bad guys and not complicated people who are a bit of both.

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[jan9206]

DOUG PHILLIPS IS A TOOL!