Andrew 2

[rosamundi]

On 6/7/2023 at 3:46 AM, QuiverFullofBooks said:

Fun fact: James is the last younger brother to be ahead of an older sister in the line of succession. Lucas Tindall is not ahead of his sisters, though they’re all at the end of the line instead of between Charles and Andrew’s families. (The change took place while Kate was pregnant with George.)

It's all academic anyway, unless something truly awful happens (regardless of your opinions of the Royal family, the sort of mass death event occurring which would lead to King Lucas would be a tragedy for the family).

I'm reminded of just before the Coronation when parts of Catholic Twitter were heaping praise on Princess Alexandra of Hanover because she converted to Catholicism a few years ago and so "gave up" her right to the British throne.

1. She didn't "give up" anything, her place in the Line of Succession was taken from her automatically
2. I'm sure losing place 500+ in a theoretical list affected her not one jot
3. If she was in a position where she had a realistic claim to the British throne, she would also be Queen of Norway, Sweden, and Denmark as well as Pretender to the thrones of Romania, Yugoslavia, Russia, Prussia, and Greece.

[tabitha2]

1. HRH Prince William, Prince of Wales (b. 1982)
2. HRH Prince George of Wales (b. 2013)
3. HRH Princess Charlotte of Wales (b. 2015)
4. HRH Prince Louis of Wales (b. 2018)
5. Prince Henry (Harry), The Duke of Sussex (b. 1984)
6. Prince Archie of Sussex (b. 2019)
7. Princess Lilibet of Sussex (daughter of Prince Henry)(b.2021)
8. Prince Andrew, The Duke of York (b. 1960)
9. HRH Princess Beatrice of York (b. 1988)
10. Sienna Elizabeth Mapelli Mozzi (daughter of Princess Beatrice) (b. 2021) 
11. HRH Princess Eugenie of York (b. 1990)
12. August Philip Brooksbank (son of Princess Eugenie) (b. 2021) 
13. Ernest George Brooksbank (son of Princess Eugenie) (b. 2023)
14. HRH Prince Edward, The Duke of Edinburgh (b. 1964)
15. James, Earl of Wessex (b. 2007)
16. Lady Louise Mountbatten-Windsor (b. 2003)
17. HRH Princess Anne, Princess Royal (b. 1950) 
18. Peter Phillips (b. 1977)
19. Savannah Phillips (b. 2010)
20. Isla Phillips (b. 2012)
21. Zara Tindall (b. 1981)
22. Mia Grace Tindall (b. 2014)
23. Lena Elizabeth Tindall (b. 2018)
24. Lucas Philip Tindall (b. 2021)
25. David Armstrong-Jones, Earl of Snowdon (b. 1961)
26. Charles Armstrong Jones, Viscount Linley (b. 1999)
27. Lady Margarita Armstrong-Jones (b. 2002)
28. Lady Sarah Chatto (b. 1964)
29. Samuel Chatto (b. 1996)
30. Arthur Chatto (b. 1999)
31. HRH Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester (b. 1944)
32. Alexander Windsor, Earl of Ulster (b. 1974)
33. Xan Windsor, Lord Culloden (b. 2007)
34. Lady Cosima Windsor (b. 2010)
35. Lady Davina Windsor (b. 1977)
36. Senna Lewis (b. 2010)
37. Tane Mahuta Lewis (b. 2012)
38. Lady Rose Gilman (b. 1980)
39. Lyla Gilman (b. 2010)
40. Rufus Gilman (b. 2012)
41. HRH Prince Edward, Duke of Kent (b. 1935)
42. George Windsor, Earl of St. Andrews (b. 1962)
Edward Windsor, Baron Downpatrick (excluded by becoming a Roman Catholic) 
Lady Marina Charlotte Windsor (excluded by becoming a Roman Catholic) 
43. Lady Amelia Windsor (b. 1995)
Lord Nicholas Windsor (excluded by becoming a Roman Catholic)
Albert Windsor (excluded by being Roman Catholic)
Leopold Windsor (excluded by being Roman Catholic)
Louis Windsor (excluded by being Roman Catholic)
44. Lady Helen Taylor (b. 1964)
45. Columbus Taylor (b. 1994)
46. Cassius Taylor (b. 1996)
47. Eloise Taylor (b. 2003)
48. Estella Taylor (b 2004)
49. HRH Prince Michael of Kent (b. 1942)
50. Lord Frederick Windsor (b 1979)
51. Maud Windsor (b. 2013)
52. Isabella Windsor (b. 2016)
53. Lady Gabriella Kingston (b. 1981)
54. HRH Princess Alexandra the Hon. Lady Ogilvy (b. 1936)
55. James Ogilvy (b. 1964)
56. Alexander Ogilvy (b. 1996)
57. Flora Ogilvy, Mrs Timothy Vesterberg, (b. 1994)
58. Marina Ogilvy, Mrs Paul Mowatt, (b. 1966)
59. Christian Mowatt (b. 1993)
60. Miss Zenouska Mowatt (b. 1990)
61. David Lascelles, 8th Earl of Harewood (b. 1950)
62. Alexander Lascelles, Viscount Lascelles (b. 1980)
63. Hon. Ivy Lascelles (b. 2018)
64. Hon. Kit Lascelles (b. 2023) 
65. Hon. Edward Lascelles (b. 1982)
66. Sebastian Lascelles (b. 2020)
67. Hon. James Lascelles (b. 1953)
68. Rowan Lascelles (b. 1977)
69. Tewa Lascelles (b. 1985)
70. Fran? (son of Tewa) Lascelles (b. 2014)
71. Sophie Lascelles (b. 1973)
72. Hon. Jeremy Lascelles (b. 1955)
73. Thomas Lascelles (b. 1982)
74. Cleo Lascelles (b. 2017)
75. Celeste Lascelles (b. 2020)
76. Ellen Lascelles (b. 1984)
77. Amy Lascelles (b. 1986)
78. Tallulah Lascelles (b. 2005)
79. Henry Lascelles (b. 1953)
80. Maximilian Lascelles (b. 1991)
81. David Carnegie, 4th Duke of Fife (b. 1961)
82. Charles Duff Carnegie, Earl of Southesk (b. 1989)
83. Lady Chloe Francoise Carnegie (b. 2022)
84. Lord George William Carnegie (b. 1991)
85. Lord Hugh Alexander Carnegie (b. 1993)
86. Lady Alexandra Etherington (b. 1959)
87. Amelia Mary Carnegie Etherington (b. 2001)
88. HM King Harald V of Norway (b. 1937)
89. HRH Crown Prince Haakon of Norway (b. 1973)
90. HH Prince Sverre Magnus of Norway (b. 2005)
91. HRH Princess Ingrid Alexandra of Norway (b. 2004)
92. Princess Martha Louise of Norway (b.. 1971)
93. Maud Angelica Behn (b. 2003)
94. Leah Isadora Behn (b. 2005)
95. Emma Talullah Behn (b. 2008)
96. Haakon Lorentzen (b. 1954))
97. Olav Lorentzen (b. 1985)
98. Christian Lorentzen (1988)
99. Sophia Lorentzen (b. 1994)
100. Ingeborg Ribeiro (b. 1957)

[rosamundi]

1 hour ago, tabitha2 said:

1. HRH Prince William, Prince of Wales (b. 1982)
2. HRH Prince George of Wales (b. 2013)
3. HRH Princess Charlotte of Wales (b. 2015)
4. HRH Prince Louis of Wales (b. 2018)
5. Prince Henry (Harry), The Duke of Sussex (b. 1984)
6. Prince Archie of Sussex (b. 2019)

I found a website earlier that listed the LoS as of January 2011 down to place 5,753. I was slightly afraid to look at it in case I found I was somewhere on the list 😉

I did find a friend of mine somewhere in the 2,000s.

[Loveday]

5 hours ago, tabitha2 said:

1. HRH Prince William, Prince of Wales (b. 1982)
2. HRH Prince George of Wales (b. 2013)
3. HRH Princess Charlotte of Wales (b. 2015)
4. HRH Prince Louis of Wales (b. 2018)
5. Prince Henry (Harry), The Duke of Sussex (b. 1984)
6. Prince Archie of Sussex (b. 2019)
7. Princess Lilibet of Sussex (daughter of Prince Henry)(b.2021)
8. Prince Andrew, The Duke of York (b. 1960)
9. HRH Princess Beatrice of York (b. 1988)
10. Sienna Elizabeth Mapelli Mozzi (daughter of Princess Beatrice) (b. 2021) 
11. HRH Princess Eugenie of York (b. 1990)
12. August Philip Brooksbank (son of Princess Eugenie) (b. 2021) 
13. Ernest George Brooksbank (son of Princess Eugenie) (b. 2023)
14. HRH Prince Edward, The Duke of Edinburgh (b. 1964)
15. James, Earl of Wessex (b. 2007)
16. Lady Louise Mountbatten-Windsor (b. 2003)
17. HRH Princess Anne, Princess Royal (b. 1950) 
18. Peter Phillips (b. 1977)
19. Savannah Phillips (b. 2010)
20. Isla Phillips (b. 2012)
21. Zara Tindall (b. 1981)
22. Mia Grace Tindall (b. 2014)
23. Lena Elizabeth Tindall (b. 2018)
24. Lucas Philip Tindall (b. 2021)
25. David Armstrong-Jones, Earl of Snowdon (b. 1961)
26. Charles Armstrong Jones, Viscount Linley (b. 1999)
27. Lady Margarita Armstrong-Jones (b. 2002)
28. Lady Sarah Chatto (b. 1964)
29. Samuel Chatto (b. 1996)
30. Arthur Chatto (b. 1999)
31. HRH Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester (b. 1944)
32. Alexander Windsor, Earl of Ulster (b. 1974)
33. Xan Windsor, Lord Culloden (b. 2007)
34. Lady Cosima Windsor (b. 2010)
35. Lady Davina Windsor (b. 1977)
36. Senna Lewis (b. 2010)
37. Tane Mahuta Lewis (b. 2012)
38. Lady Rose Gilman (b. 1980)
39. Lyla Gilman (b. 2010)
40. Rufus Gilman (b. 2012)
41. HRH Prince Edward, Duke of Kent (b. 1935)
42. George Windsor, Earl of St. Andrews (b. 1962)
Edward Windsor, Baron Downpatrick (excluded by becoming a Roman Catholic) 
Lady Marina Charlotte Windsor (excluded by becoming a Roman Catholic) 
43. Lady Amelia Windsor (b. 1995)
Lord Nicholas Windsor (excluded by becoming a Roman Catholic)
Albert Windsor (excluded by being Roman Catholic)
Leopold Windsor (excluded by being Roman Catholic)
Louis Windsor (excluded by being Roman Catholic)
44. Lady Helen Taylor (b. 1964)
45. Columbus Taylor (b. 1994)
46. Cassius Taylor (b. 1996)
47. Eloise Taylor (b. 2003)
48. Estella Taylor (b 2004)
49. HRH Prince Michael of Kent (b. 1942)
50. Lord Frederick Windsor (b 1979)
51. Maud Windsor (b. 2013)
52. Isabella Windsor (b. 2016)
53. Lady Gabriella Kingston (b. 1981)
54. HRH Princess Alexandra the Hon. Lady Ogilvy (b. 1936)
55. James Ogilvy (b. 1964)
56. Alexander Ogilvy (b. 1996)
57. Flora Ogilvy, Mrs Timothy Vesterberg, (b. 1994)
58. Marina Ogilvy, Mrs Paul Mowatt, (b. 1966)
59. Christian Mowatt (b. 1993)
60. Miss Zenouska Mowatt (b. 1990)
61. David Lascelles, 8th Earl of Harewood (b. 1950)
62. Alexander Lascelles, Viscount Lascelles (b. 1980)
63. Hon. Ivy Lascelles (b. 2018)
64. Hon. Kit Lascelles (b. 2023) 
65. Hon. Edward Lascelles (b. 1982)
66. Sebastian Lascelles (b. 2020)
67. Hon. James Lascelles (b. 1953)
68. Rowan Lascelles (b. 1977)
69. Tewa Lascelles (b. 1985)
70. Fran? (son of Tewa) Lascelles (b. 2014)
71. Sophie Lascelles (b. 1973)
72. Hon. Jeremy Lascelles (b. 1955)
73. Thomas Lascelles (b. 1982)
74. Cleo Lascelles (b. 2017)
75. Celeste Lascelles (b. 2020)
76. Ellen Lascelles (b. 1984)
77. Amy Lascelles (b. 1986)
78. Tallulah Lascelles (b. 2005)
79. Henry Lascelles (b. 1953)
80. Maximilian Lascelles (b. 1991)
81. David Carnegie, 4th Duke of Fife (b. 1961)
82. Charles Duff Carnegie, Earl of Southesk (b. 1989)
83. Lady Chloe Francoise Carnegie (b. 2022)
84. Lord George William Carnegie (b. 1991)
85. Lord Hugh Alexander Carnegie (b. 1993)
86. Lady Alexandra Etherington (b. 1959)
87. Amelia Mary Carnegie Etherington (b. 2001)
88. HM King Harald V of Norway (b. 1937)
89. HRH Crown Prince Haakon of Norway (b. 1973)
90. HH Prince Sverre Magnus of Norway (b. 2005)
91. HRH Princess Ingrid Alexandra of Norway (b. 2004)
92. Princess Martha Louise of Norway (b.. 1971)
93. Maud Angelica Behn (b. 2003)
94. Leah Isadora Behn (b. 2005)
95. Emma Talullah Behn (b. 2008)
96. Haakon Lorentzen (b. 1954))
97. Olav Lorentzen (b. 1985)
98. Christian Lorentzen (1988)
99. Sophia Lorentzen (b. 1994)
100. Ingeborg Ribeiro (b. 1957)

Well, that was a fun read! Never knew that King Harald V of Norway was 88th in the line of succession to the English throne!😲

[QuiverFullofBooks]

I have another fun fact. Because the Act of Succession says that only the descendants of Empress Sophia of Hanover can inherit the British throne, the end of the line is not lost in the mists of time. It’s a German therapist named Karin Vogel.

[Jackie3]

1 hour ago, QuiverFullofBooks said:

I have another fun fact. Because the Act of Succession says that only the descendants of Empress Sophia of Hanover can inherit the British throne, the end of the line is not lost in the mists of time. It’s a German therapist named Karin Vogel.

What number is Ms. Vogel?

[rosamundi]

7 hours ago, QuiverFullofBooks said:

I have another fun fact. Because the Act of Succession says that only the descendants of Empress Sophia of Hanover can inherit the British throne, the end of the line is not lost in the mists of time. It’s a German therapist named Karin Vogel.

I found it interesting that the US sometimes uses the Royal Family as a convenient measuring tool because they're well known and easily tracked. One of the things the board of Disney did was put binding limits on what the new board could do, and those limits are to last for “21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England living as of the date of this declaration.”

[Loveday]

13 hours ago, QuiverFullofBooks said:

I have another fun fact. Because the Act of Succession says that only the descendants of Empress Sophia of Hanover can inherit the British throne, the end of the line is not lost in the mists of time. It’s a German therapist named Karin Vogel.

I had to read up on Karin Vogel, couldn't resist. Her 8th great grandmother was the Empress Sophia, who herself was the great-granddaughter of Mary Stuart, otherwise known as Mary Queen of Scots, and the granddaughter of James I. Sophia's son was King George I, who took over the throne when Queen Anne died. According to the family tree from Karin up to Sophia, the most recent titled person in her line was Duke Ernst of Wurttemberg (1807-1868), her great-great grandfather. From there the line devolved into somewhat more ordinary, everyday people, as most of those lines usually end up doing. Karin herself is a therapist who specializes in counseling older people with pain issues.

Found all this fun stuff here:

 https://eurohistoryjournal.blogspot.com/2021/04/the-woman-who-is-last-in-line-of.html

[Jackie3]

1 hour ago, Loveday said:

I had to read up on Karin Vogel, couldn't resist. Her 8th great grandmother was the Empress Sophia, who herself was the great-granddaughter of Mary Stuart, otherwise known as Mary Queen of Scots, and the granddaughter of James I. Sophia's son was King George I, who took over the throne when Queen Anne died. According to the family tree from Karin up to Sophia, the most recent titled person in her line was Duke Ernst of Wurttemberg (1807-1868), her great-great grandfather. From there the line devolved into somewhat more ordinary, everyday people, as most of those lines usually end up doing. Karin herself is a therapist who specializes in counseling older people with pain issues.

Found all this fun stuff here:

 https://eurohistoryjournal.blogspot.com/2021/04/the-woman-who-is-last-in-line-of.html

She looks friendly and approachable. She helps elderly people who have chronic pain. She's doing some good in the world. 

I think she'd make a better, more worthy, more accessible Queen than Camilla. Maybe they should be made to swap places. I'd cheer for her on the balcony!

Though Ms. Vogel says she doesn't want to be queen. So she's also wise.

Queen Karin

 

Edited June 9, 2023 by Jackie3

[Ozlsn]

On 6/9/2023 at 1:15 AM, Loveday said:

Well, that was a fun read! Never knew that King Harald V of Norway was 88th in the line of succession to the English throne!😲

Well that would certainly expand the Norweigan Empire.

[QuiverFullofBooks]

21 hours ago, Jackie3 said:

What number is Ms. Vogel?

I can't find a recent count. She got a lot of press in 2011, when she was just under 5000. Presumably the babies born since then have put her somewhere over 5000. 

[Jackie3]

15 hours ago, QuiverFullofBooks said:

I can't find a recent count. She got a lot of press in 2011, when she was just under 5000. Presumably the babies born since then have put her somewhere over 5000. 

Thanks. I imagine that people dying moved her up the list at the same time. 

[WatchingTheTireFireBurn]

Normally I'm not interested in that sort of thing. but it's oddly fascinating that this list exists at all. People are so weird and wonderful and awful mixed together.

[QuiverFullofBooks]

It’s funny that the current list is both exactly 100 people and also includes everyone descended from Edward VII (assuming it doesn’t cut off a few of the Norwegians). Queen Victoria’s descendants are as the stars in the sky, so there’s no need to get into that.

Another quirk of the gender preference laws is that in the extremely unlikely event that #90 on the list inherits, Prince Sverre Magnus is ahead of his older sister in the British succession, which would work out nicely, since she will be queen of Norway. (She also has an older stepbrother, so she has a unique family dynamic as a future female monarch.)

[AmazonGrace]

Fergie has breast cancer. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66014781

[TN-peach]

I think it is rare to find anyone who hasn't been affected by cancer one way or another.  Cancer sucks and hope that Fergie heals quickly from the surgery and that they cancer was removed and that it did not spread. 

[viii]

Yes, seems like they caught it with early detection, which hopefully means it hasn't spread anywhere else. Wishing her and her family well, cancer is a cruel, cruel mistress. 

[Jackie3]

It's been 8 days since any post about Prince Andrew. Sex crimes against teens just dont' make people mad, or excite much interest. 

Edited July 4, 2023 by Jackie3

[viii]

Bitch, we have been fucking over this. There is currently nothing to say about Andrew that hasn’t already been said. He is a piece of shit. We all know it. However, until there are new articles about him, useless spamming of the thread will only result in warnings. It’s not a hard concept. 

I do find it interesting that it’s been eight days and you haven’t commented, either. 

[tabitha2]

If there was ever actually any truth to stories Andrew was being Kicked out of White Lodge  he is hardly going to be anytime in the near future now with Sarah recovering there. 

[Bluebirdbluebell]

On 6/8/2023 at 4:47 AM, rosamundi said:

It's all academic anyway, unless something truly awful happens (regardless of your opinions of the Royal family, the sort of mass death event occurring which would lead to King Lucas would be a tragedy for the family).

I'm reminded of just before the Coronation when parts of Catholic Twitter were heaping praise on Princess Alexandra of Hanover because she converted to Catholicism a few years ago and so "gave up" her right to the British throne.

1. She didn't "give up" anything, her place in the Line of Succession was taken from her automatically
2. I'm sure losing place 500+ in a theoretical list affected her not one jot
3. If she was in a position where she had a realistic claim to the British throne, she would also be Queen of Norway, Sweden, and Denmark as well as Pretender to the thrones of Romania, Yugoslavia, Russia, Prussia, and Greece.

She chose to give up her place in line since she probably knew converting would force her to lose her place. I doubt she converted to Catholicism without knowing it was cause her to lose her place. I agree with point #2 and can't speak #3. 

I don't agree with Catholic Twitter on most things. Most of Catholic Twitters tend to be fundamentalist, etc.

[Jackie3]

6 hours ago, tabitha2 said:

If there was ever actually any truth to stories Andrew was being Kicked out of White Lodge  he is hardly going to be anytime in the near future now with Sarah recovering there. 

Why can't she recover in another luxury home? I know women who've gone back to work while getting breast cancer treatment, and she can't recover in another luxury home? 

It does sound like they support the sex pest and his wife, though.

[AmazonGrace]

Well if the world ever gets to a place in which somebody who used to be number 500 on the succession list becomes the monarch, due to an excessive death toll, I reckon there's a very good chance that you would not want to be one. It could very easily be the coronation for number 501 next week.

Edited July 6, 2023 by AmazonGrace

[AmazonGrace]

The Duke of Disgrace lied about his meetings with Epstein

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/prince-andrews-newsnight-lies-emails-30513120

 

[prayawaythefundie]

So basically he is a Duggar. Seeking publicity, knowing there is more to be discovered. That‘s not just a big ego, that‘s insane.