Jinjer 59: Cooking with Prepared Spice Mix

[Kiki03910]

6 hours ago, WatchingTheTireFireBurn said:

My family wanted me to go back to my abusive (ex) husband because...and I literally quote "he was nice to you sometimes" in addition to the bible shit.

 Later still single, having endured years of psychotic stalking, I was told I should seek him out so I could beg him to take me back.

 

Fuck them all.

I'm so sorry this happened to you, and I hope you're in a much better and safer place now.

[JermajestyDuggar]

Here’s the even worse part. He could have come out and said, “I made a mistake in 2002. I am very sorry and I am going to do better.” Or something like that. But nope! He gets rid of the guy who said he made a mistake. That tells me he will keep telling women to stay with their abusive husbands. Let’s hope Jeremy never abuses her. Because she will get no help from MacArthur’s church. It also sounds like MacArthur has no one to to challenge him. So he can get away with whatever he wants. That’s another sign of a cult leader. No one can question him. 

[Cam]

17 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

. I think Jeremy liked how sheltered, innocent, and naive Jinger was. She probably hung in his every word. I’m sure he loved that. And he could mold and shape her into believing whatever he wanted (Calvinism obviously). Plus she’s on a reality show! He can play off her fame without doing much work. Just like Lawson and his wife. 

Most definitely. The one that gags me the most is the dude married to Anna’s sister Priscilla. The truth is, tho, many nonreligious men also seek out this type of woman. 
 

13 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

Have you guys seen the clip of his public shaming of her? I watched it recently. It’s abhorrent. McArthur can go fuck himself with a cactus. 
 

 

Absolutely horrific. When the media covers COUNTLESS stories on domestic abuse, they never seem to want to address the systemic problem of white entitled male religious “leaders” who continually reinforce/insist/try to guilt women into staying in these relationships. WHERE is the condemnation for these abusers from the pulpit? It’s sickening. I agree with the cactus statement.

Edited February 10, 2023 by Cam

[QuiverFullofBooks]

I think Jeremy wanted to get married fairly quickly to a pretty woman who wanted to be a pastor’s wife and a mom. He was already 30, so he didn’t want a teenager, but he did want someone who didn’t have anything going on that she couldn’t leave behind. Plus he was really into his new friendship with the Seewalds, and totally happy to let Jessa fix him up with her bestie.

[AprilQuilt]

I think there was an element of the thrill of the chase too. I mean, Jinger was clearly smitten by him but she went cold on him a few times because of their religious differences. I would certainly never advocate playing hard to get as a healthy means of landing an admirer, but in this case the obstacles probably did make Jinger more interesting. It was a big test of Jeremy's ingenuity and knowledge, I'm sure he felt great outfoxing JimBob.

I just really hope that now he's got to know her and has become aware of her trauma, her anxiety, her limitations etc - that she still seems like a prize to him. Nobody's complexities make them less lovable.

[QuiverFullofBooks]

42 minutes ago, AprilQuilt said:

I think there was an element of the thrill of the chase too. I mean, Jinger was clearly smitten by him but she went cold on him a few times because of their religious differences. I would certainly never advocate playing hard to get as a healthy means of landing an admirer, but in this case the obstacles probably did make Jinger more interesting. It was a big test of Jeremy's ingenuity and knowledge, I'm sure he felt great outfoxing JimBob.

I just really hope that now he's got to know her and has become aware of her trauma, her anxiety, her limitations etc - that she still seems like a prize to him. Nobody's complexities make them less lovable.

Good point. Also, all of the heart pieces bullshit meant that she could be cold to him during the early phase. For one thing, he told her about his blog but she didn’t read it.

[EmiSue]

5 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

Here’s the even worse part. He could have come out and said, “I made a mistake in 2002. I am very sorry and I am going to do better.” Or something like that. But nope! He gets rid of the guy who said he made a mistake. That tells me he will keep telling women to stay with their abusive husbands. Let’s hope Jeremy never abuses her. Because she will get no help from MacArthur’s church. It also sounds like MacArthur has no one to to challenge him. So he can get away with whatever he wants. That’s another sign of a cult leader. No one can question him. 

Hallmark of narcissism--unable to apologize or admit fault. Back in 2016 I saw a short article on how Trump refused to admit he'd done a simple math problem incorrectly when shown the right answer. If people like that can't admit factual errors, they'll really never admit errors of judgment.

[Satan'sFortress]

21 hours ago, socalrules said:

Power and potential fame. He could get a subservient wife, who will stare at him adoringly, all the while being on television. I bet Jeremy thought that at some point they would have their own TV show. Plus, such a meek wife would be perfect for his future TV preaching career.

I believe the words you're looking for here are "Breakout Stars"

[nolongerIFBx]

On 1/27/2023 at 6:36 AM, JermajestyDuggar said:

I’ve always assumed disordered eating ran rampant through gothard’s cult and other fundie circles. Mainstream culture pushes thinness onto women. And fundies seem to take our expectations of women and then times them by 100. So of course they will expect women in the cult to stay thin. Especially after about a million babies. 

It's funny (not in a good way)- yes, some went the thin route. Others of us packed on the pounds because we had to hide our figures so we wouldn't be responsible for men lusting after us. Similar trigger but two different responses. I wasn't stick thin (105 lbs at 4 ft. 11 inches) but still a healthy weight until I had a new outfit on one day, thought I looked pretty nice in it, and then was assaulted. I completely blamed myself and gained 30 lbs in the next few months. While the rate of gain has slowed over the last 30 years, I've never been at a healthy weight again (hypothyroidism).

[noseybutt]

9 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

Here’s the even worse part. He could have come out and said, “I made a mistake in 2002. I am very sorry and I am going to do better.” Or something like that. But nope! He gets rid of the guy who said he made a mistake. That tells me he will keep telling women to stay with their abusive husbands. Let’s hope Jeremy never abuses her. Because she will get no help from MacArthur’s church. It also sounds like MacArthur has no one to to challenge him. So he can get away with whatever he wants. That’s another sign of a cult leader. No one can question him. 

I know people who are massive MacArthur fans and attend a church that lives out the theology more visibly than MacArthurs SoCal church. Yeah they drink wine and the women wear pants. But make no mistake, there are creepy social media posts about transferring headship when the daughters get married. There is intense pressure not to divorce no matter the situation. There is extreme fear of higher education, which exceptions made for The Masters University and a handful of others. (Piper’s Bethlehem College would be allowed, for example.) It’s intense. The impact on the current generation of young adult trying to make their way in a  more secular world has been interesting and concerning to watch. I think there are many parallels with the Duggar kids, right down to the detail that many young women use marriage as their escape route but it’s a crap shoot depending on how the husbands mature.

I don’t find the current scandal surprising in the least and suspect there are likely many parallels to Gothard with the exception that it may take years longer for the full story of MacArthur’s church to be told because of the sophistication of the men in power and the fact that its more mainstream surface helps it fly under the radar.

 

 

Edited February 10, 2023 by noseybutt

[SassyPants]

On 2/9/2023 at 11:44 AM, JermajestyDuggar said:

I bet Jerm is already planning Jinger’s next book in his head. 

Well, they likely have a big ass mortgage that needs to be paid. And trying to look cool and hang out in all the trendy places in SoCal is expensive.

[Kiki03910]

1 hour ago, nolongerIFBx said:

It's funny (not in a good way)- yes, some went the thin route. Others of us packed on the pounds because we had to hide our figures so we wouldn't be responsible for men lusting after us. Similar trigger but two different responses. I wasn't stick thin (105 lbs at 4 ft. 11 inches) but still a healthy weight until I had a new outfit on one day, thought I looked pretty nice in it, and then was assaulted. I completely blamed myself and gained 30 lbs in the next few months. While the rate of gain has slowed over the last 30 years, I've never been at a healthy weight again (hypothyroidism).

Sending you best wishes.

[nolongerIFBx]

On 2/7/2023 at 2:55 PM, Lurker said:

One of the thing I have thought about the marriages of Jill, Jessa, Jinger and Joy is that JB wanted to get them married off before the sexual abuse by Josh became widely known.

JB therefore was able to convince himself that People covers and TLC specials were worth more than theology.  He probably though that Ben was young and could be led to his was of thinking.  Derrick at that time seemed to be vulnerable, therefore also able to be led by JB.

In the case of Jeremy, the perceived star power probably  overcame his  doctrinal doubts.  Jeremy had a back story of sin and redemption, plus a pro sports career plus was an actual minister with a congregation. He is also articulate and telegenic, always a plus.

I would doubt that Jeremy lied about his beliefs, but JB was too greedy and wanted that wedding special to say no.

 

About the time JB allowed first Ben and then Jeremy to court his daughters, I began to suspect that Jim Bob knows little--"Here, Jeremy, watch 60 hours of this dude explaining what we believe"--and doesn't care about the tenets of the faith that he claims. He only likes that those tenets give him control over his wife and children.

[indianabones]

The New York Times did a profile on Jinger and her book.

She says she's not planning on homeschooling.

[JermajestyDuggar]

1 minute ago, indianabones said:

The New York Times did a profile on Jinger and her book.

She says she's not planning on homeschooling.

She will probably send them to the Christian school all the other MacArthur humpers send their kids to. 

[SassyPants]

21 minutes ago, indianabones said:

The New York Times did a profile on Jinger and her book.

She says she's not planning on homeschooling.

Jinger is working to support her family. She can’t do that, dote on Jerm. and homeschool.

[mango_fandango]

Even if it’s a religious school, it’s still something. Felicity and Evangeline will be socialising with other kids and able to make friends outside the family.

[SassyPants]

7 minutes ago, mango_fandango said:

Even if it’s a religious school, it’s still something. Felicity and Evangeline will be socialising with other kids and able to make friends outside the family.

And having a chance to get a real education from trained professionals.

[JermajestyDuggar]

MacArthur has an elementary school co op started in his church. I wouldn’t be surprised if Jinger did this when they are young. And then a pricy private Christian school when they got older. Here is MacArthur’s description as to why they needed to start this co op:

 

[Cults-r-us]

On 2/9/2023 at 4:37 AM, Kiki03910 said:

I would be absolutely shocked if JB ever thought about any extant book other than the bible, let alone a potential book. He's stuck really far up his own narcissistic ass.

The daughters previously "wrote" that great tome Growing Up Duggar. That's the kind of book JB likes - a fawning commercial for the Duggar brand that also generates income.

On 2/9/2023 at 2:43 PM, Baba O'Riley said:

You know, I almost added this thought to my post, so I am glad you did.  What exactly did Jeremy see in Jinger?   Don't get me wrong.  She is very pretty and seems to have a nice personality.  But compared to Jeremy, she was so unworldly and uneducated.  She confesses in her book that she had problems holding conversations and socializing with people outside her cult.  In other words, there seems to be no "there" there. At least Jill and Jessa seem to have some spunk and drive, some strong personality traits.  Jeremy has been around the block a few times with women, was an athlete, and I think he is college-educated (?) Why Jinger Duggar?

 

Probably she was 2nd choice as Jana didn't like him.

[JermajestyDuggar]

The co-op is 2-3 days a week in school. And the rest of the time is homeschool. 

[Cults-r-us]

On 2/9/2023 at 7:42 PM, SassyPants said:

This is as bad, if not worse than Gothard.

No words. Sorry Jerm and Jinger, maybe the 3rd one will be a charm- 

I have been reading that lady's story for 10 years. They told her enduring her husband's (he was a church choir director) was suffering for Jesus. She was publicly shamed twice. Her fellow parishioners launched a letter campaign, punctuated by unfriendly visits exhorting her to not leave her husband.  Eventually she was excommunicated. When the children complained of sexual abuse, she called law enforcement. The church said she should have not involved the courts but let the church deal with it. I am sure protecting her kids gave her the strength to stand against a like 8,000 member church.

[Cults-r-us]

I think McArthur chastised a seminary student for reporting being raped to law enforcement, made her apologize to her rapist for enticing him, then kicked her out of seminary.

[Kiki03910]

18 minutes ago, Cults-r-us said:

I think McArthur chastised a seminary student for reporting being raped to law enforcement, made her apologize to her rapist for enticing him, then kicked her out of seminary.

Jesus fucking christ, I just can't.

[Coconut Flan]

41 minutes ago, Cults-r-us said:

I think McArthur chastised a seminary student for reporting being raped to law enforcement, made her apologize to her rapist for enticing him, then kicked her out of seminary.

University student maybe?  I don't think he allows women in seminary classes.  Only men can be pastors in his brand.